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I always used to use straight old original Colgate but recently got suckered into the buy-one-get-one-free etc offers and have been using the cold white crystals, cool whitening gel version or whatever is on offer. I have to admit for some time I've thought they haven't been cleaning my teeth so well because they don't seem to be very abrasive and just foam up a lot. I swapped back to original Colgate today as a trial and, as suspected, it does a much better job and my teeth actually feel clean.
Anyone else noticed this? What are you using at the moment?
Briggykins
09-03-2009, 18:14
Recently swapped from Aquafresh to Colgate, for no good reason other than it was BOGOF. However I don't really notice any difference between the two, or for that matter between Tesco's own.
I got some Colegate Blue Minty Gel because it was only a quid for a big tube.
Never really notice the difference between the bog standard quid a tube stuff and the 2 and a half quid a tube with added crystals chipped from the bicarbonate mines of the Balearics.
I prefer Maclean's White and Shine, don't know why!
BB x
Euthymol.
No fluoride for me thanks :)
LeperousDust
09-03-2009, 18:29
I'm always very skeptical of just about anything of this nature. I can never see how one toothpaste can clean 2x better than whatever or another make it whiter, and if they're ever really worth the extra money. I always looks at the sensodine toothpaste and wonder how it can actually make my teeth any less susceptible to hot/cold (since i don't like cold things). I never bother buying it because its 2/3 times the price of whatever is on offer. My dentist keeps telling me i have amazing teeth as well so i'm lucky or doing something right, i think more lucky than anything though.
LeperousDust
09-03-2009, 18:29
I prefer Maclean's White and Shine, don't know why!
BB x
Advertising :)
Advertising :)
No well not TV advertising or anything ... er I had a free sample a long long time ago lol!
Preferred it ever since! :D
BB x
Colgate 2 in 1 Whitening something or other iirc. Bought it as it was on special offer at the time.
When that runs out, I'll be buying whatever is on special offer/cheapest :)
colgate total whitening.
tastes best.
LeperousDust
09-03-2009, 18:49
No well not TV advertising or anything ... er I had a free sample a long long time ago lol!
Preferred it ever since! :D
BB x
Advertising isn't just TV/free samples, its subtly everywhere, one way or another they've reinforced in your head that you like them. It's all advertising one way or another, the clever stuff is all done subconsciously. If you don't know why you like it at all, or even if you do think it cleans better its because of advertising :)
LeperousDust
09-03-2009, 18:50
Euthymol.
No fluoride for me thanks :)
Whats wrong with fluoride? I was under the impression the small amounts they add are actually really good for your teeth, and i thought this is why sensodine was meant to be "better" but after checking the percentages on the back there is barely any difference between it and an "average" toothpaste though.
I know that!!!
Bloody know it all students :p
If I didn't try the free sample I would never have bought it.
BB x
LeperousDust
09-03-2009, 18:54
I know that!!!
Bloody know it all students :p
If I didn't try the free sample I would never have bought it.
BB x
Nothing to do with me being a student, i'm just a very skeptical bar steward (wow - that actually holds true these days as well). Which is a curse sometimes because i generally don't believe anything until i've seen/read a reliable source somewhere myself. Friends definitely hate me for it. ;D
Whats wrong with fluoride? I was under the impression the small amounts they add are actually really good for your teeth, and i thought this is why sensodine was meant to be "better" but after checking the percentages on the back there is barely any difference between it and an "average" toothpaste though.
Contentious subject - there's plenty of information on Google much of it hysterical TBH; but my general feeling is that I prefer to err on the side of caution. Anyway, my teeth seem to have done just fine without fluoride :)
NokkonWud
09-03-2009, 19:01
Anything really. Mentadent P is my favourite, really like Euthymol too.
Euthymol.
No fluoride for me thanks :)
But that tastes like Germoline, and not in a good "root beer" kind of way.
Anything really. Mentadent P is my favourite, really like Euthymol too.
Can you still get Mentadent P? The pink stuff right? I used to like that too :D
Mentadent P is my favourite
(sung to the tune of 'Button up your overcoat')
Stay away from greasy cafs,
Get to bed by three,
Take good care of your gums,
Brush with Mentadent P!
Gee, jingles really do get stuck in your head don't they :o
Sensodyne Pronamel. I have always had sensitive teeth and Sensodyne has always worked for me. However, Sensodyne generally tastes a bit ming :confused: tried the Pronamel and I really quite like the taste. Does the prevents acid erosion bit make a difference? no idea, doesn't matter that isn't why I buy it :D
I know what you mean Johnny... your teeth feel more squeeky. I personally don't like that feeling... it's like the feeling you get when you drink coke and suddenly if you grind your teeth they "stick" and make a squeeky noise.
I get that with plain ole colgate.
As for what I use I don't have a clue. I buy what ever is on offer and then make sure I floss every so often and gargle on some mouth wash once in a while.
Not a filling or problem in this mouth I'll have you know :D
(famous last words :p)
Whatever is on offer at ASDA, all the same stuff really. As long as your technique of brushing is right, the sort of toothpaste you use is largely irrelevant.
Fluoride content isn't worth panicking over either IMO. Plenty of other chemicals added to everyday food and drink that are potentially just as "bad" as fluoride, and worrying doesn't make them go away, and to actually make them all go way, I'd have to be so anal about what I ate and drank, I'd not really have much of a life. :p
Whatever is on offer at ASDA, all the same stuff really. As long as your technique of brushing is right, the sort of toothpaste you use is largely irrelevant.
I was just about to say that. Basically as long as you actually brush your teeth with a toothpaste you can't go far wrong.
I should add I finally went to the dentist after over 5 years and I didn't need any work done :)
LeperousDust
09-03-2009, 20:20
Whatever is on offer at ASDA, all the same stuff really. As long as your technique of brushing is right, the sort of toothpaste you use is largely irrelevant.
Couldn't agree more, baking soda and peroxide would do just fine ;D
Whatever is on offer. I like blue toothpaste though :)
But that tastes like Germoline, and not in a good "root beer" kind of way.
That's what I like about it! :D
Fluoride content isn't worth panicking over either IMO.
Who said anything about panicking? IMO, if it's easy enough to avoid fluoride, why bother having it?
Couldn't agree more, baking soda and peroxide would do just fine ;D
Or salt - just make sure you rinse well.
Piggymon
09-03-2009, 21:18
I think colgate although I bought aqufresh last shopping trip because it was BOGOF.
I don't have any fillings \o/
Whatever I walk past and is the 1st one to hand! I really maybe should start paying more attention, and stop buying paste from the shaving section...
Sensodyne
I am also a user.
I really struggle with hot drinks, having said that my mouth is full of tombstones, so there's not much hope really.
Who said anything about panicking? IMO, if it's easy enough to avoid fluoride, why bother having it?
It's not easy to avoid if it's in your water supply and a lot of food and drink. ;D
I don't have any fillings \o/Me either :D
We've got Colgate something or other because I prefer the taste to Aquafresh. I don't like the bicarb of soda ones because they don't leave a minty fresh taste in your mouth. I also bought some original blow-your-head-off Listerine at the weekend because the gum next to one of my teeth was feeling a bit sore. It seems to have sorted it out already. Got an electric toothbrush too. It cleans my teeth SO much better than normal ones.
Don't know what ours is but there's a hole in the bottom of the tube at the moment as I squeezed it too hard ;D
It's Colgate something or other.
Don't know what ours is but there's a hole in the bottom of the tube at the moment as I squeezed it too hard ;D.
RAAAARRRR!!
I am Desmo, hear me roar!!
It's not easy to avoid if it's in your water supply and a lot of food and drink. ;D
:confused: I can't think of any food/drink that contains deliberately added fluoride.
It's pretty easy to avoid the stuff even if it is in your water supply (which it isn't where I live). I use a reverse osmosis filter which was originally bought to provide pure water for my marine aquarium. An RO unit will effectively remove fluoride, chlorine, minerals and other "contaminants" - ideal if your house contains lead piping as mine does. The resulting water tastes pretty good too :thumbsup:
:confused: I can't think of any food/drink that contains deliberately added fluoride.
It naturally occurs in stuff like fish, and tea. :)
It's pretty easy to avoid the stuff even if it is in your water supply (which it isn't where I live). I use a reverse osmosis filter which was originally bought to provide pure water for my marine aquarium. An RO unit will effectively remove fluoride, chlorine, minerals and other "contaminants" - ideal if your house contains lead piping as mine does. The resulting water tastes pretty good too :thumbsup:
That doesn't sound easy to me, I'd have to pursuade my landlord to get one fitted. Pay for the fitment, and maintain it.
Or I could just turn the tap as I do now and drink the water. :huh:
Anyway, I still wouldn't use it because I don't want to filter out all the minerals. I think my body is perfectly capable of digesting them. :)
It naturally occurs in stuff like fish, and tea. :)
Not in anything like the quantities that is added to water, or, more to the point, added to toothpaste. Also, we're not talking about something which is defined as non-toxic. We're talking about a substance which most definitely *is* toxic and *does* cause health problems if the "safe limits" are exceeded. Of course, most things are toxic if taken in large enough quantities; but fluoride must be very carefully controlled and a lot of questions remain unanswered about the need to administer it to people, almost against their will according to some. I'm a cynic rather than a consipracy theorist though - I just don't believe we *need* the stuff and I prefer the idea of being convinced to use it rather than being convinced not to.
That doesn't sound easy to me, I'd have to pursuade my landlord to get one fitted. Pay for the fitment, and maintain it.
Or I could just turn the tap as I do now and drink the water. :huh:
Anyway, I still wouldn't use it because I don't want to filter out all the minerals. I think my body is perfectly capable of digesting them. :)
They're cheap enough to maintain and they're easy to fit. You don't have to replace your existing plumbing, you just need to tap into it. You can even remove the unit at any time by capping off the taps that you fix to the existing pipework - no soldering or cutting of pipes necessary.
Not in anything like the quantities that is added to water, or, more to the point, added to toothpaste. Also, we're not talking about something which is defined as non-toxic. We're talking about a substance which most definitely *is* toxic and *does* cause health problems if the "safe limits" are exceeded. Of course, most things are toxic if taken in large enough quantities; but fluoride must be very carefully controlled and a lot of questions remain unanswered about the need to administer it to people, almost against their will according to some. I'm a cynic rather than a consipracy theorist though - I just don't believe we *need* the stuff and I prefer the idea of being convinced to use it rather than being convinced not to.
But that's largely my point, there's plenty of other things out there that are just as bad. Aspartame, MSG etc. I'd rather not worry about them all and just get on with it, otherwise I'll be drinking pure H2O, breathing filtered air, eating a very restricted diet. No thanks. :)
They're cheap enough to maintain and they're easy to fit. You don't have to replace your existing plumbing, you just need to tap into it. You can even remove the unit at any time by capping off the taps that you fix to the existing pipework - no soldering or cutting of pipes necessary.
None of which can be done without a registered contractor doing it approved by the landlord. Just because it's a simple installation doesn't mean it's easy. It's not my plumbing/property to do stuff like that with.
No maintenance is also still cheaper then "cheap" maintenance. ;)
Justsomebloke
10-03-2009, 12:15
I use that Hollywoood whitening stuff but it hasn't made my teeth look like George Clooneys :(
I have horrible smokers teeth & need to get some Private treatment now I am working, It's on my list.
I use that Hollywoood whitening stuff but it hasn't made my teeth look like George Clooneys :(
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Try this?
But that's largely my point, there's plenty of other things out there that are just as bad. Aspartame, MSG etc. I'd rather not worry about them all and just get on with it, otherwise I'll be drinking pure H2O, breathing filtered air, eating a very restricted diet. No thanks. :)
It hardly requires a lifestyle change! As for MSG and aspartame - I avoid it with very little effort. Typically, aspartame is in sugary, fizzy drinks so to avoid it is easy and beneficial in many other ways; and perhaps you and everyone else *should* be worrying about it. There are many people out there who've tried your approach of just "getting on with it" and look where we are! Cancer, diabetes, heart disease, the list goes on. I don't want to sound patronising as you're obviously an intelligent guy, but you're young and it's easy to be complacent. I know, I was the same; but it all catches up with you, trust me on that.
None of which can be done without a registered contractor doing it approved by the landlord. Just because it's a simple installation doesn't mean it's easy. It's not my plumbing/property to do stuff like that with.
No maintenance is also still cheaper then "cheap" maintenance. ;)
That's a bit of a PITA :( I've lived in a few flats myself and I don't recall any rules that draconian but I guess things have changed now and your landlord might be very different to the ones I've had. Just to reiterate though, it's not a change to your existing plumbing - it just taps into the existing pipes; and typically, you'll have a couple of clamps which cut into the existing pipework, that's it.
Justsomebloke
10-03-2009, 12:37
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Try this?
:'(
I want teeth like this smiley > :evil:
It hardly requires a lifestyle change! As for MSG and aspartame - I avoid it with very little effort. Typically, aspartame is in sugary, fizzy drinks so to avoid it is easy and beneficial in many other ways; and perhaps you and everyone else *should* be worrying about it.
Those are two examples. There's plenty of "questionable" additives used that you will consume, I guarantee. MSG for example is in loads of brands of crisps. I think Pringles' entire range contains MSG. Loads of fruit juices such as Robinsons Apple and Blackcurrant contain aspartame. On the contary, you won't find aspartame in sugary drinks at all. It's a sweetener designed to replace the taste of sugar, it's around 200 times sweeter IIRC. All sorts of mints and chewing gums have it too. Either that, or sorbitol. Which, guess what, gives you bowel problems if not taken in moderation. I could go on, vitamin supplements use it, powered beverages, baking products etc etc. Do you really avoid them all with little effort? You'd be surprised the amount of food millions of people eat every day, that contain one or a combination of "controversial" addititives.
There are many people out there who've tried your approach of just "getting on with it" and look where we are! Cancer, diabetes, heart disease, the list goes on. I don't want to sound patronising as you're obviously an intelligent guy, but you're young and it's easy to be complacent. I know, I was the same; but it all catches up with you, trust me on that.
Or I could die in a car accident tomorrow? I'm not going to worry about unproven links and speculation. Even moderate alchohol is linked to some forms of cancer now. Am I going to go tee-total? No. Bacon has been linked to cancer. Will I give up bacon butties? No. High hormone levels and masturbation in men has now been linked to prostrate cancer. Will I quit having tugs? No.
All these things are too insignificant to worry about IMO. Same with fluoride, whatever it's possibly perhaps linked maybe into doing to us, I'd rather not spend my time worrying over it, and spend it doing something fun. Like cooking up a nice fat bacon sarnie and washing it down with a cup of fluoride-flavoured tea. :D
and spend it doing something fun. Like cooking up a nice fat bacon sarnie and washing it down with a cup of fluoride-flavoured tea. :D
And then knocking one out? ;)
Those are two examples. There's plenty of "questionable" additives used that you will consume, I guarantee. MSG for example is in loads of brands of crisps. I think Pringles' entire range contains MSG.
I don't eat crisps. Fat-laden, full of chemicals - again not exactly a lifestyle-change required to just say no.
Loads of fruit juices such as Robinsons Apple and Blackcurrant contain aspartame.
And they're exactly the sort of drinks I avoid. Fruit juice should contain fruit with nothing else added. It's not rocket science. It's hardly a lifestyle change we're talking about. I just like my "food" to be recognisable as something which has been grown. If I'm faced with a load of drinks in the cooler cabinet, you can bet I'll choose a bottle of Tropicana or just water before I'd drink coke, or any of those crappy "juice drinks" which are actually just water, sugar (and/or aspartame) with fruit merely as a "flavour".
On the contary, you won't find aspartame in sugary drinks at all. It's a sweetener designed to replace the taste of sugar, it's around 200 times sweeter IIRC.
That's just not the case though. There are plenty of drinks (and food) that contain *both* sugar and aspartame. Also, aspartame isn't "sweet" at all - that's not the way it works.
All sorts of mints and chewing gums have it too. Either that, or sorbitol. Which, guess what, gives you bowel problems if not taken in moderation. I could go on, vitamin supplements use it, powered beverages, baking products etc etc. Do you really avoid them all with little effort? You'd be surprised the amount of food millions of people eat every day, that contain one or a combination of "controversial" addititives.
Where possible, I don't eat processed food but I don't consider the small effort it takes to be a lifestyle choice. I don't eat chewing gum (I wonder why anyone does) and if I'm making a conscious decision to select a supplement, you can bet I'll at least read the thing to understand exactly what it is I'll be taking.
Or I could die in a car accident tomorrow? I'm not going to worry about unproven links and speculation. Even moderate alchohol is linked to some forms of cancer now. Am I going to go tee-total? No. Bacon has been linked to cancer. Will I give up bacon butties? No. High hormone levels and masturbation in men has now been linked to prostrate cancer. Will I quit having tugs? No.
Making your own decisions from an informed perspective is one thing but blindly trusting manufacturers, who are arguably driven only by profit, is quite another.
All these things are too insignificant to worry about IMO.
Some of it is insiginificant but a lot of it isn't necessarily.
Same with fluoride, whatever it's possibly perhaps linked maybe into doing to us, I'd rather not spend my time worrying over it, and spend it doing something fun. Like cooking up a nice fat bacon sarnie and washing it down with a cup of fluoride-flavoured tea. :D
That's easy to say while you have your health and I'm sure there's an equivalent perspective on smoking. There are innumerable people who blithely carry on smoking saying that they know someone who smoked until they were 80-odd.
The last thing to say is that in another thread "someone" said this to Blighter when he talked of how pointless it is to worry about your diet:
"Youth is on your side mate, simple as that. It doesn't last forever, but it doesn't mean you're healthy by any means jsut because you're not fat. A poor diet will still affect your body and mind, just not as compounded as it would for somebody in their 40s".
That was good advice, perhaps you should take it before you reach your 40s ;)
Incidentally, I wouldn't bother writing all this and going so off-topic if I didn't think it was critically important.
I don't eat crisps. Fat-laden, full of chemicals - again not exactly a lifestyle-change required to just say no.
Crisps is one example. MSG is in a lot of savoury goods.
And they're exactly the sort of drinks I avoid. Fruit juice should contain fruit with nothing else added. It's not rocket science. It's hardly a lifestyle change we're talking about. I just like my "food" to be recognisable as something which has been grown. If I'm faced with a load of drinks in the cooler cabinet, you can bet I'll choose a bottle of Tropicana or just water before I'd drink coke, or any of those crappy "juice drinks" which are actually just water, sugar (and/or aspartame) with fruit merely as a "flavour".
I drink Tropicana as well as Robinsons. I know the difference, I just can't get too enthused over it all. If we're talking about true health benefits, aspartame is an unproven problem. Natural sugars that are absoloutely loaded in sugars. "Real" fruit juices are a proven problem with dental health. So if we're really going to go into the pedantics of how "healthy" they are, remember that fruit juices are very very bad for your teeth and gums, and if you're not careful with their consumption, your health in general.
That's just not the case though. There are plenty of drinks (and food) that contain *both* sugar and aspartame. Also, aspartame isn't "sweet" at all - that's not the way it works.
Yes, it is. I was wrong about it being 200 times sweeter than sugar, it's a little less at 180 times. But you get the point, it's typically used because it's the ideal replacement to sugar (controversy and drama aside) because it gives you the sweetness, without the calorie impact of all the sugar you'd need to get the same.
Where possible, I don't eat processed food but I don't consider the small effort it takes to be a lifestyle choice. I don't eat chewing gum (I wonder why anyone does)
LOL what's wrong with chewing gum?
and if I'm making a conscious decision to select a supplement, you can bet I'll at least read the thing to understand exactly what it is I'll be taking.
Well pretty much any chewable variety of supplements or medication will contain sweeteners, so you would have to bin all those for a start. Lockets, Lozengers, whatever, all gone I'd imagine. Ever taken a Lemsip? Check the back, that's got aspartame. In fact, pretty much all caplets and capsules of that nature will contain sweeteners and glazing agents to prevent the foul taste of the medication getting on the tongue. You say it's just easy to avoid, but I don't think it is. I think you need to make a constant effort to avoid them, and the lifestyle choice is clear. A very very, organic and natural route, which I'm sorry, but you do need to keep your wits about you on every shopping trip. Checking the back of nearly everything. That would be a big deal for me, and others like me who generally just buy what we need, and rarely study all the labels. The products I've named, the foodstuffs we've talked about, can everyone here say they don't have and they'd easily never use again as of tomorrow? Millions consume them every day, and, without being offensive, you seem to have gone to a special effort for your diet and general consumption. I'm guessing you have an air purifier, linen clothes and that sort of thing? :)
Making your own decisions from an informed perspective is one thing but blindly trusting manufacturers, who are arguably driven only by profit, is quite another.
I don't blindly trust them, I just don't put that much effort into it all, because I know the Food Standards Agency and HSE guidelines will keep the real poisons out my food, and all the arguements over the controversial ones don't interest me until a proven link is actually found with stuff like aspartame, which there's every chance there never will be.
That's easy to say while you have your health and I'm sure there's an equivalent perspective on smoking. There are innumerable people who blithely carry on smoking saying that they know someone who smoked until they were 80-odd.
But you know that's different because smoking has proven links to cancer, lung and mouth cancer in particular. It's pretty much a given that smoking = serious health issues. Aspartame etc doesn't have that link, does it? :)
The last thing to say is that in another thread "someone" said this to Blighter when he talked of how pointless it is to worry about your diet:
"Youth is on your side mate, simple as that. It doesn't last forever, but it doesn't mean you're healthy by any means jsut because you're not fat. A poor diet will still affect your body and mind, just not as compounded as it would for somebody in their 40s".
Err, well yeah, it's true though isn't it? Young slim people aren't automatically healthy by that fact alone.
That was good advice, perhaps you should take it before you reach your 40s ;)
I do, my diet is pretty good. Exercise needs some work, but what I put into my body is generally pretty good. Probably lethal in your eyes though. ;D
But you know that's different because smoking has proven links to lung cancer. It's pretty much a given that smoking = serious health issues. Aspartame etc doesn't have that link, does it? :)
To play devil's advocate for a second: once upon a time people didn't think smoking was that bad for them but now we realise it is.
Which sounds ridiculous in hindsight but plenty of adverts in the 1940s made it sound fine to do.
To play devil's advocate for a second: once upon a time people didn't think smoking was that bad for them but now we realise it is.
Which sounds ridiculous in hindsight but plenty of adverts in the 1940s made it sound fine to do.
I know what you mean, but the alternative to me is to live in a bubble then. To hide from aspartame, msg, sacharin etc etc... I think life's too short to worry about what if and maybe. Plus, in 20 years fluoride could be proven to strengthen teeth and prevent bone cancer. Tada! It's certainly possible. Hindsight still a wonderful thing in the opposite regard, and those who cut it out of their diet all their life will kick themselves. :D
I know what you mean, but the alternative to me is to live in a bubble then. To hide from aspartame, msg, sacharin etc etc... I think life's too short to worry about what if and maybe. Plus, in 20 years fluoride could be proven to strengthen teeth and prevent bone cancer. Tada! It's certainly possible. Hindsight still a wonderful thing in the opposite regard, and those who cut it out of their diet all their life will kick themselves. :D
I do see your point, of course I do, and I'm not saying it's black and white. What I'm saying is that it's probably unwise to wait for incontrovertible evidence to prove all these chemicals and additives are OK. The burden of proof should be on the suppliers of our food and until it is, it's actually very simple to avoid the majority of the potential problem foods/drinks.
it's actually very simple to avoid the majority of the potential problem foods/drinks.
I don't think it is. There's about 10 or 11 major "problematic" additives used in food and drink today. Can you or anybody else really be confident that it's a walk in a park to avoid them? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think it requires research, constant checking and planning to stock your cupboards and fridge with stuff that doesn't have any of them. The list below is typical things that will contain aspartame. Not all brands will use it, but generally the items below will have it somewhere in the product line. These are the ones I've found, but there'll be more in stuff what I mentioned earlier, like Lemsip and Beechams. Stuff like that.
Mints and chewing gum
Carbonated soft drinks, especially things like Coke Zero.
Cereals
Syrups for coffee and hot drinks
A lot of ice cream and frozen dairy products in general
Gelatin (sugar free ones though)
Hard sweets like smarties and m&ms. Actually smarties might have dropped it recently, or that might have just been the colourants and flavours, not the sweetening.
Iced teas
Hot chocolate and things like horlicks and nesquik milk drinks
Certain low sugar jams
Juice Drinks
Maple Syrup
Ready meals
Chocolate mousses and low fat/sugar desserts. Usually the "Be good to yourself" ranges
A plethora of tinned foods
Nutritional Bars
Protein weight gain and protein drinks
Tomato sauces
Low fat yoghurts
The above list is aspartame *alone* by the way. Plenty more to add into your shopping blacklist, like, saccharin, msg and hvp, acesulfame K, sucralose, and the wonder drug that is caffeine. All those have tedious health links that are so far unproven. :)
OK, you could avoid all stuff like that, or pick the brands that don't use it. Then of course that assumes you either never eat anywhere but home, or you know the contents of friends and family's cupboards and the all the ingredients resturants will be using for your meal. All of this possible? Sure. Easy? I really doubt it, sorry. :)
I don't think it is. There's about 10 or 11 major "problematic" additives used in food and drink today. Can you or anybody else really be confident that it's a walk in a park to avoid them? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think it requires research, constant checking and planning to stock your cupboards and fridge with stuff that doesn't have any of them. Then of course that assumes you either never eat anywhere but home, or you know the contents of friends and family's cupboards and the all the ingredients resturants will be using for your meal. Possible? Most likely. Easy? I really doubt it, sorry. :)
Have you considered that it's actually too easy to buy food with no knowledge of what goes into it. Merely a different perspective perhaps, but bearing in mind that we're talking about the food that we eat and that we give to our families, surely a bit more consideration is justified.
Convenience food, processed food, TV dinners, fast food, etc. are arguably tantamount to oxymorons IMO
Mints and chewing gum
Carbonated soft drinks, especially things like Coke Zero.
Cereals
Syrups for coffee and hot drinks
A lot of ice cream and frozen dairy products in general
Gelatin (sugar free ones though)
Hard sweets like smarties and m&ms. Actually smarties might have dropped it recently, or that might have just been the colourants and flavours, not the sweetening.
Iced teas
Hot chocolate and things like horlicks and nesquik milk drinks
Certain low sugar jams
Juice Drinks
Maple Syrup
Ready meals
Chocolate mousses and low fat/sugar desserts. Usually the "Be good to yourself" ranges
A plethora of tinned foods
Nutritional Bars
Protein weight gain and protein drinks
Tomato sauces
Low fat yoghurts
Woo I manage to miss out all but two of those things in that list (tinned food, usually veg until the veg patch in the garden's underway and cereal).
There are a couple of things like Juice drinks and ice cream that I use rarely but otherwise don't use the rest :)
Just noticed your list after I posted - the vast majority of what you've listed doesn't really count as "food" IMO but for those items that do, the fact that the manufacturer has chosen to add aspartame would flag it as poor quality AFAIC.
Incidentally, we're talking *food* here, not mints, nesquik and smarties.
So far today, I've eaten two shredded wheat with soya milk sweetened with apple juice, a load of dried fruit, an apple, a banana and a pear plus a salad sandwich with soya turkey/stuffing and cranberry sauce. I baked the bread myself and the resulting lunch was fantastic :thumbsup:
Woo I manage to miss out all but two of those things in that list (tinned food, usually veg until the veg patch in the garden's underway and cereal).
There are a couple of things like Juice drinks and ice cream that I use rarely but otherwise don't use the rest :)
That's pretty good going :)
That's pretty good going :)
I used to eat some right crap so I'm no saint ;D But I always keep an eye on what goes in what food and always doing home cooking now. I only really drink water (rarely some sort of fruit juice if I'm at a friends or something) so that cuts out the hot drinks and carbonated drinks.
On the subject of this debate, I can see both your view and iCraig's view so I think I'm somewhere in the middle of it. There are times where I say to hell with it and eat something very unhealthy but a lot of the time, I also keep an eye on what ingredients are being used etc. Guess I go for moderation on the whole. :)
I think in many ways lack of money and learning to cook has helped my diet, purely because I make more meals and don't succumb to easy ready meals etc because of the price, and tbh 99% of the time they don't taste anywhere near as nice as home made!
They are food phykell whether they are your personal tastes or not, ok, minus the stuff like Lemsip which is more medicinal. You don't have it when you're thirsty, you have it when you're ill. The rest are common consumable items people buy to eat/drink, not put on their mantlepiece.
I used to eat some right crap so I'm no saint ;D
Me too and I drink far too much coffee!
But I always keep an eye on what goes in what food and always doing home cooking now. I only really drink water (rarely some sort of fruit juice if I'm at a friends or something) so that cuts out the hot drinks and carbonated drinks.
On the subject of this debate, I can see both your view and iCraig's view so I think I'm somewhere in the middle of it. There are times where I say to hell with it and eat something very unhealthy but a lot of the time, I also keep an eye on what ingredients are being used etc. Guess I go for moderation on the whole. :)
:cool: I sometimes say to hell with it as well and I'm not saying that no-one should ever treat themselves. I just think it's a bad idea to knowingly adopt an attitude of being unconcerned about what's in your food when it's obvious that the quality that's available to us, is so variable and inconsistent. I also believe that advantage of eating decent food is borne out by increasing levels of diabetes and heart disease, etc. I think the correlation between our diet and the shocking rises in various health issues can no longer be denied, or, more important, ignored by the younger generation.
They are food phykell whether they are your personal tastes or not, ok, minus the stuff like Lemsip which is more medicinal. You don't have it when you're thirsty, you have it when you're ill. The rest are common consumable items people buy to eat/drink, not put on their mantlepiece.
Your definition of food and mine, are inconsistent at best and if that's your idea of a reasonable shopping list, you're not going to reach your 40s ;)
As I said, there is a difference between food and just stuff our body can (hopefull) tolerate.
No, the list is the sort of food that will typically be available in today's supermarkets that will contain aspartame. My point is (and I think you know what my point is tbh) is that to avoid all of those *plus* whatever other things contain MSG and the other "dangerous" additives isn't as easy as you're trying to make out. I think it takes a concious and sustained effort to avoid the main additives with medical controversy, compared to just not really worrying about them, and getting on with it. :)
I just think it's a bad idea to knowingly adopt an attitude of being unconcerned about what's in your food when it's obvious that the quality that's available to us, is so variable and inconsistent. I also believe that advantage of eating decent food is borne out by increasing levels of diabetes and heart disease, etc. I think the correlation between our diet and the shocking rises in various health issues can no longer be denied, or, more important, ignored by the younger generation.
That, I entirely agree with :)
...to just not really worrying about them, and getting on with it. :)
You keep saying that as though the very food you eat, isn't all that important.
As for your list, if that's representative of what contains aspartame, then it's pretty easy to avoid IMO. However, if your criteria for being "easy to avoid" doesn't include taking any notice of what your food contains then I guess that's something we don't agree on. No wonder consumers apparently need traffic light symbols on their food :D
I think it takes a concious and sustained effort to avoid the main additives with medical controversy...
I disagree - I'm probably lazier than most people and I manage ;)
What ever is on special offer, same as mouth wash and shower gel.
However I do make sure it's a "total" toothpaste
Crest! as it was cheap in the chemist and i couldn't be bothered to into town.
I disagree - I'm probably lazier than most people and I manage ;)
Apart from caffeine, right? Tedious as it is caffeine has controversy itself, about links to bowel cancer, stomach ulcers and stomach cancer, precursor to migraines, damage to adrenal glands and the kidneys, diabetes, bladder cancer etc. This is concerning long-term use too, something you do I assume. I do too by the way, I love coffee and ignore all those articles that pop up now and again about how more than 3 cups of coffee per day will make you grow another face. However, why do you consume so much caffeine (I assume you avoid instant like the plague and have ground) but avoid other contoversial substances? I know this might sound like I'm trying to point out hypocrisy, I'm not, we're all hypocrites anyway, I'm just genuinely interested in why caffeine is ok for you to risk until it's proven safe, but stuff like fluoride is filtered out from the very taps you drink? :huh:
Everythings controversial and there is nothing wrong with aspartamine, caffeine or nearly everything else in sensible quantities.
Apart from caffeine, right? Tedious as it is caffeine has controversy itself, about links to bowel cancer, stomach ulcers and stomach cancer, precursor to migraines, damage to adrenal glands and the kidneys, diabetes, bladder cancer etc. This is concerning long-term use too, something you do I assume. I do too by the way, I love coffee and ignore all those articles that pop up now and again about how more than 3 cups of coffee per day will make you grow another face. However, why do you consume so much caffeine (I assume you avoid instant like the plague and have ground) but avoid other contoversial substances? I know this might sound like I'm trying to point out hypocrisy, I'm not, we're all hypocrites anyway, I'm just genuinely interested in why caffeine is ok for you to risk until it's proven safe, but stuff like fluoride is filtered out from the very taps you drink? :huh:
Did I claim I was a paragon of virtue? ;)
I don't drink, nor do I smoke or take drugs, but it's not black and white as I've already said. Eating decent food, avoiding the crap, is not some sort of religion for me and I don't think it needs to be for most people. Taking *reasonable* care as to what you eat and drink is the key - that's what I do and that's what I think most people should do, especially bearing in mind the state of the nation's health. Oh, and I have just the one (sometimes two) coffee a day - I usually have water, fruit tea or juice other than that :cool:
Just back to the Euthymol toothpaste - you don't have to use anything like as much on your brush so while it might appear to be more expensive than other brands, it probably isn't.
I like Colgate. I usually get whitening or scope kind.
I can't user Crest though... it's so harsh it makes me get ulcers:-(
...it's so harsh it makes me get ulcers:-(
Hello, some lightbulbs just lit...
Sodium laureth sulphate = mouth ulcers
Sodium laureth sulphate = foaming agent in liquid soaps and... toothpaste
I have to admit for some time I've thought they haven't been cleaning my teeth so well because they don't seem to be very abrasive and just foam up a lot.
And I've been getting mouth ulcers regularly. I might be onto something here :)
iCraig and phykell
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7937382.stm
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FrostedNipple
11-03-2009, 22:26
I just use whatever my mum buys me :p I think if I am ever in the situation I need to buy my own toothpaste I would probably buy the tube that has the prettiest advertising on it.
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