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lostkat
27-04-2009, 16:34
I'm starting to worry that my stomach might not agree with milk, so I'd like to just have a week without it to see if it makes any difference. Most of the milk I consume is on my cereal, so it's really important that any substitute actually tastes as close to milk as possible.

I had a look at Soya milk in the supermarket last week, but got put off when it started mentioning "sweetened with apple juice" as I just thought "this is NOT going to taste like milk".

So, any recommendations on a milk-like substitute with all the taste, but less of the lactose and shizzle?

Ta

Kitten
27-04-2009, 16:35
unsweetened soya milk. :)

Works wonders with cutting down my hayfever/allergies and although it's a bit strange at first, you soon adapt to it. Then when you have dairy semi/skim milk on your cereal etc, it tastes far too creamy and odd!!

lostkat
27-04-2009, 16:48
Hmmm, might see if I can buy a small carton.

iCraig
27-04-2009, 16:49
I've never tried soya but my Mum has it and she said it's not like cow's milk, but it's not weird either. She can have it on her cereal just like ordinary milk, and although the taste is different, it's not too different to make you think "god, why have I put this on my weetabix?!" if you know what I mean?

What type of milk are you currently having? If you're on full fat or semi, dropping down to skimmed might do the trick without having to give it up entirely?

Roberta
27-04-2009, 16:53
I live on Tesco sweetened calcium enriched soya milk. Very cheap too and nicer than most of the name brands, and I should know, the amount of brands I've tried!

Don't expect it to taste like milk cos it won't! It will also often curdle in coffee but is fine in tea.

You could always try the lactose reduced dairy milk which still has the milk taste but may agree with you more.

Roberta
27-04-2009, 16:54
Oh yes, I use it on my cereal, in all my cooking and drink it straight too. I like it!

lostkat
27-04-2009, 17:28
I live on Tesco sweetened calcium enriched soya milk. Very cheap too and nicer than most of the name brands, and I should know, the amount of brands I've tried!

Don't expect it to taste like milk cos it won't! It will also often curdle in coffee but is fine in tea.

You could always try the lactose reduced dairy milk which still has the milk taste but may agree with you more.
I'm quite happy drinking black coffee and don't really drink much coffee/tea at home anyway. It was more the cereal element that I was worried about. I'll give the Tesco one a try since you've specifically named it and see if it makes any difference at all. Thank you :) The calcium bit is a bonus too!

I've never tried soya but my Mum has it and she said it's not like cow's milk, but it's not weird either. She can have it on her cereal just like ordinary milk, and although the taste is different, it's not too different to make you think "god, why have I put this on my weetabix?!" if you know what I mean?

What type of milk are you currently having? If you're on full fat or semi, dropping down to skimmed might do the trick without having to give it up entirely?
Semi skimmed. I don't want to move to skimmed as I might as well put water on my cereal. I'd rather try something that's not quite milk than something that's milk but tastes of nothing.

Will
27-04-2009, 17:29
Poor lostkat :(

I hope you get to find some alternative or that you're not actually lactose intolerant!

I can't abide soya milk - work of the devil I tells you!!

Just be wary of consuming too much as there could be health problems which can be caused by high amounts of phytoestrogens and phytates which are present in Soya. High amounts of phytoestrogens are known to depress thyroid function and consuming large amounts of Soya can lead to goitre, hypothyroidism, and auto-immune thyroid disease.

Have you thought of goats milk?

lostkat
27-04-2009, 17:31
Well I'm not sure at the moment, but I need to try it to see if it makes a difference. I bloody love milk, so it'll be crapper than crap if I can't have it any more :(

Garp
27-04-2009, 17:43
I would be very cautious about consuming Soya, there are a number of carcinogens in there along with other estrogen type chemicals. It's also rather bad for the environment to produce soya.

Have you considered trying lactose free milk? Supermarkets usually have plenty of that available. Lana drinks it as normal milk gives her cramps and headaches, and finds it works wonders. According to some recent allergy tests she's not lactose intolerant, which surprised us, but still it doesn't take much normal milk before the pains return.

edit: Grauniad article on soya: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2006/jul/25/food.foodanddrink

Piggymon
27-04-2009, 18:03
I've recently cut down from full fat millk to skimmed milk on my cereal and it's ok.

It's not as nice but it's passable and I'm sure after a while I won't even notice the difference :)

Jonny69
27-04-2009, 18:03
I've tried a whole host of milk alternatives and all but one of them have been frankly undrinkable in my opinion. Provamel seems to be the only one that is quite nice and also works in tea and on cereal. Unfortunately it's the most expensive at about £1.75 per litre.

Alpro, Rice Dream, So Good and various others are just disgusting. Try them but I don't think you'll like them. Doesn't make much difference if it's "fresh" or UHT, still as grim.

Provamel will be with the UHT milk etc in the supermarket or you can get it in Holland and Barrett.

Alpro, Jesus, they did free samples a while back that I can only guess slaughtered their sales forever. It was so disgusting I saw the cartons all over the place with one sip taken out and dumped. Some of those people may have actually bought their product just to see what it was like but there's no way they'll ever buy it now ;D

You could also try goats milk or sheep milk if it's the lactose that's irritating you. I see they do both in Sainsburys now.

Jonny69
27-04-2009, 18:06
And don't forget boys, soya is good for prostate cancer. Get it down yers.

iCraig
27-04-2009, 19:31
I would be very cautious about consuming Soya, there are a number of carcinogens in there

I think it was this forum where there was a similiar discussion. Unless it contains a lot of carcinogens (such as tobacco smoke, asbestos etc) avoiding it in a modern western diet is pretty difficult. You'd be surprised at how many foods out there have carcinogens in them, ableit a small amount. Even caffeine, although not strictly a carcinogen, is being more heavily linked to kidney and bladder cancer. Probably because of its diuretic effect on the renal system, over time it probably introduces more than its fair share of cell destruction.

Everything in moderation is your best bet, otherwise basic shopping becomes a minefield of "this will kill me" Happy days. :D

lostkat
27-04-2009, 19:49
Everything in moderation is your best bet, otherwise basic shopping becomes a minefield of "this will kill me" Happy days. :D
I have to admit, this is also the approach I take.

Some good suggestions folks, thank you.

I'll try 'different' milk for a week or so and then if that doesn't have any effect, I might change the cereal. It's bran flakes, weetabix or shreddies at the moment, so heavily wheat-based. Might go back to porridge for a bit and see if it makes a difference.

Mark
27-04-2009, 19:54
Gluten intolerance is certainly a possibility. Can cause anything including stomach aches, cramps, excessive trips to the toilet, and weight loss.

The easy way to tell whether it's that is does bread or pasta have any adverse effect on you?

My stepdad's a coeliac. All wheat-based products are off the menu for him.

Jonny69
27-04-2009, 21:15
My stepdad's a coeliac. All wheat-based products are off the menu for him.
The gluten-free sausages in Waitrose are delish. Can't remember the brand but they're good ;)

Will
27-04-2009, 21:17
And don't forget boys, soya is good for prostate cancer. Get it down yers.

No chance in hell mate. :)

There's plenty of better ways of helping than that infernal stuff!

Knipples
27-04-2009, 21:32
Rice milk?
Marchant is gluten and dairy intolerant, so we have to faff about with his diet a lot, he likes drinking rice milk though.

lostkat
27-04-2009, 22:22
Poor Marchant. Life would be awful without dairy and gluten :(

Kitten
28-04-2009, 05:51
Gluten intolerance is certainly a possibility. Can cause anything including stomach aches, cramps, excessive trips to the toilet, and weight loss.

The easy way to tell whether it's that is does bread or pasta have any adverse effect on you?

You do know that lostkat has a biology degree, right?? :p

Garp
28-04-2009, 07:47
Lana just twigged this evening. We're eating more soya every day, increasing estrogen.. all these extra hormones and stuff probably explains where emos came from!

Mark
28-04-2009, 09:05
You do know that lostkat has a biology degree, right?? :p
Nope - I didn't. I do now though. :o

Peige
28-04-2009, 12:58
We suspected my daughter to be lactose intolerant for a while (she is already wheat intolernat) and used this (http://www.lactofree.co.uk/) stuff. I was happy to use it too, didn't seem that different apart from the cost.