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Handy to know. Thanks. :)
So it's official then. ETA on the iPhone - 10th September.
One more question as it's pretty much the first app I know I'll need - of the big three navigation apps (TomTom, Co-Pilot, Navigon), what would you recommend (cost aside ;))?
Ignoring the cost then I'd say TomTom but I don't think TomTom is massively better than Co-Pilot so if I were buying one I'd go for Co-Pilot.
That does agree with my own thoughts on the subject, thanks.
Why the long wait on the phone? I couldn't stay sane throughout that length of time!!
Stock situation is a bit dire currently. Lots of places are out of stock completely, though I don't know if/how this is impacting Apple themselves.
I'm sure I'll survive. :p
I'll have a problem if I don't get it by the 16th though.
Have you used Co-Pilot Mark? I think TomTom has a far clearer and easier to use interface, but it's your call :)
No, I've only used TomTom (my parents') and Garmin (my handheld). Obviously, it'll be mainly for pedestrian use (if it's good enough, I'll probably sell the Garmin).
Looking at accessories already :D - Might pick up a Chronos iDock alarm clock once the credit card has recovered - two problems with one solution. Will have to bodge the dock connector though as the iDock doesn't technically support the iPhone (it works) and even if it did it probably wouldn't work with the Neo fitted.
Will have to bodge the dock connector though as the iDock doesn't technically support the iPhone (it works) and even if it did it probably wouldn't work with the Neo fitted.
Most accessories have the universal dock socket where you can plug in the appropriate dock module - The CapsuleNeo comes with it's own dock module so you can use your iPhone with the case in any decent accessory. Very handy.
Thankyou. iDock does have a universal dock, so that's that sorted then (if/when the time comes).
Looking forward to it now, and working out how best to use up the £9.47 credit on my current SIM. :)
Send 94 texts to people telling them you're getting a new phone?
Most of the people I'd send one to are here, and I'm sure they've had enough of my phone shenanigans already. ;D
Blighter
02-09-2009, 23:29
Prank call people, and record, then post the recordings here for our entertainment :D
I've just jailbroken my phone again after installing 3.0.1 - am I now open to the SMS vulnerability again?
Not unless you downgraded the firmware in the process.
Apple changed their mind - shipped. Going to behave though and not use it until after the weekend (I'll inspect it and get the instructions out for some light reading). If I don't do that I'll spend all weekend playing and not doing any of the ongoing house clearing I'm supposed to be doing.
I've just jailbroken my phone again after installing 3.0.1 - am I now open to the SMS vulnerability again?
Nope, you'll be fine :)
Nope, you'll be fine :)
Sorry - need to be clear, it requires using 3.0.0 again.
It requires using the 3.0.0 IPSW file, which is not the same as re-flashing the firmware. :)
Redsnow uses 3.0 to do the jailbreak, but check your phone firmware and you'll see it's still on 3.0.1 :)
Matblack
04-09-2009, 08:18
Which is the site that sells the iPhone 'wraps' with all the designs? I know Belmit has one and having had the phone for a while I think the case is a bit too chunky for me, I think scratch proofing will be enough :)
MB
http://www.gelaskins.com/
Davey_Pitch
04-09-2009, 08:58
I got one from there as well, was amazed by how quickly it arrived seeing it had to come from Canada, only took a few days.
Looks like no iPhone today. It got as far as Reading and then UPS flagged it as mis-routed, so god knows where it's going now. :/
Matblack
04-09-2009, 19:46
http://www.gelaskins.com/
Ta, I've ordered 2,
https://www.gelaskins.com/skins.php?Skin=328&Category=25
and
https://www.gelaskins.com/skins.php?Skin=344&Category=25
:)
MB
Blighter
04-09-2009, 21:30
I have a funky Belkin one which is awesome :p
finally, some news;
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/tomtoms-car-kit-for-iphone-will-be-your-co-pilot-in-october/
might see the cradle in october then \o/
Well, my iPhone made a few stops en route but it finally arrived. Grabbed the iBEC and iBSS off it already so I'm covered. Now, play first or jailbreak first? ;D
PS - prepare for n00b questions. Sorry. :o
Jailbreak I'd say, that way you have more stuff to play with.
Jailbreak I'd say, that way you have more free stuff to play with.
Sorted ;)
I've put it away for tonight. I need to start loading contacts (or rather figure out how to get them off the old phone and on to the new one). Jailbreak will follow that.
Sorted ;)
You read between the lines then? ;)
I've put it away for tonight. I need to start loading contacts (or rather figure out how to get them off the old phone and on to the new one). Jailbreak will follow that.
Current phone -> Outlook -> iTunes -> iPhone is the normal way of doing it.
That would require installing iTunes on a PC - something I've so far managed to avoid. I want to do some cleanup on them all anyway so I'll do Phone > Outlook > Text File > Address Book > iPhone.
(It was the Address Book step I hadn't figured out in my last post - don't use my Mac enough, obviously)
Ta, I've ordered 2,
https://www.gelaskins.com/skins.php?Skin=328&Category=25
and
That's my one! We'll be phone buddies!
That would require installing iTunes on a PC - something I've so far managed to avoid.
You've got a Mini. Use it! It'll work best with t'iPhone.
Blighter
07-09-2009, 21:41
Why do people not like iTunes?
I don't have a problem with iTunes, I find it works really well for me, but that's on a Mac and it's traditionally been a bit different on Windows. I really can't explain it but I never found that iTunes worked very well on a Windows box, it's like a lot of Mac users say that Firefox is rubbish on a Mac but can't quantify why they say that.
I use iTunes only when I have to, no real reason just prefer other programs.
You've got a Mini. Use it! It'll work best with t'iPhone.
I think you might have mistook'd. I suppose I could run Outlook in Parallels, but that seems like a lot of work to me. :)
Oh, and I don't hate iTunes. I just think iTunes belongs on a Mac.
Knipples
07-09-2009, 21:52
*raises her hand as an itunes fan* :)
Blighter
07-09-2009, 22:06
I've always used it on Windows and my only gripe is that it's fairly sluggish :/
Why do people not like iTunes?
The main reason I dislike it is that it won't let me queue up music the way I want. What I like to do is listen to an album then queue up another, then another and so on. With iTunes you can create a playlist but I don't want to do that, I want to decide there and then what I want next.
Blighter
07-09-2009, 23:50
Right Click --> Add to iTunes DJ
Find another album --> Right click --> Add to iTunes DJ
and so on...
:)
OK, so I got it out again - and made fairly short work of the free levels on Ragdoll Blaster. Crazy game. ;D
One step I couldn't get to work while Jailbreaking. The instructions say hold down Option while clicking Restore in iTunes, then point it at the firmware .ipsw file. I couldn't get that to work - it always went to Apple for the firmware.
No matter because 3.0.1 is the current version, but I'd be interested if anyone knows what I'm doing wrong as I'd like to be able to do it when 3.0.1 isn't the current firmware. :)
You're not doing anything wrong as far as I can remember.
I've never used the iTunes DJ before but I just did for a selection of tunes in my hotel room, it works pretty well as just a simple scratch playlist.
No wifi or 3G here though so it's all a bit slow.
So 3.1 is out today.
How does the old Jailbreak work when it comes to firmware updates? do we need to wait for word from the dev team on whether or not reds0w will work with 3.1?
leowyatt
09-09-2009, 18:17
I personally would wait!
aye, i wasn't planning on an immediate update being a good choice.
leowyatt
09-09-2009, 18:23
Just watching the event now :)
Blighter
09-09-2009, 18:25
So 3.1 is out today.
It is?
Just watching the event now :)
where?
It is?
yes it is \o/
leowyatt
09-09-2009, 19:49
it's finished :p
So 3.1 is out today.
How does the old Jailbreak work when it comes to firmware updates? do we need to wait for word from the dev team on whether or not reds0w will work with 3.1?
No idea but it'd be a good idea to get the iBEC & iBSS files which can be used to jailbreak in the future if (when?) Apple firmly close the door. If you're a Mac user then you can follow the instructions here (http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=4400).
Chances are very high that redsn0w will not work with 3.1. There were dire warnings not to upgrade to the 3.1 Beta because the exploit had been fixed.
Fortunately I already have iBEC and iBSS files safely squirrelled away. No idea what they'll be used for I've got them. I've got my phone's ECID too.
This does bring back my problem with doing Option+Restore though. If I have to restore and I can't restore to the firmware I want, then that's the end of the Jailbreak. :(
Doesn't seem to be much in 3.1 anyway don't care really care for any update right now.
apart from the itunes 9 update \o/
didn't realise this was also out now. all the talk of it made me think it'd still be a while off but alas, its installing right now :D
Doesn't seem to be much in 3.1 anyway don't care really care for any update right now.
Same. Some say it's a bit faster but the 3GS is fast enough for me (for now). In the long-run I may un-Jailbreak at which point I'd obviously upgrade, but not yet.
Hurrah, they've made iTunes even more of a bloated waste of hard drive space.
All this is far too complicated - whilst it would be cool the have a jailbroken phone for installing free software, I'm with O2 anyway, I just don't need it - and I just don't like fiddling with things I don't understand. :o
and I just don't like fiddling with things I don't understand. :o
But you don't understand girls (nobody does) and that doesn't stop you!
It's actually not complicated at all, just badly explained. Well, with 3.0 and 3.0.1 that was the case, no idea what'll happen for 3.0.1.
whilst it would be cool the have a jailbroken phone for installing free software
It's not about that at all really. I now couldn't do without some of the features I've got...SSH, Five Icon Dock, SBSettings for quick access to Wifi/Bluetooth/Push/Location/etc toggles, Contact Pictures, Themes plus loads of others I've probably forgotten.
Dymetrie
10-09-2009, 10:59
Hurrah, they've made iTunes even more of a bloated waste of hard drive space.
iTunes 9 is working fine on my Win7 rig :)
Very much approving of the better home screen management which is now included!
The guy that wrote a Mac app for that might not be so happy though. Admittedly it required a jailbroken iPhone so Apple's solution is better.
It's not about that at all really. I now couldn't do without some of the features I've got...SSH, Five Icon Dock, SBSettings for quick access to Wifi/Bluetooth/Push/Location/etc toggles, Contact Pictures, Themes plus loads of others I've probably forgotten.
What you don't have you don't miss! :p
I'm sure for a power user like you it's useful, for me, I just want to get my email, browse the net, and have a cool easy user interface and an ipod built into one - iphone is ideal for my needs! Oh and it makes calls too! :D I do use some apps (only got a handful) which are useful to me but I don't really customise my phones, or my computers that much - it's not my thang. I don't like fiddling with things to get extra functionality which a) I don't really need and b) could potentially **** up the phone.
don't get me wrong I understand why you and others need to do it, it's just lost on me and would serve me no purpose. :)
That's cool :)
Just wanted to point out that even if I couldn't get "free" apps, I'd still jailbreak.
iTunes 9 is working fine on my Win7 rig :)
I didn't say that it didn't work, just that it was bloated and a waste of hard drive space :)
That's cool :)
Just wanted to point out that even if I couldn't get "free" apps, I'd still jailbreak.
Yeah I got that - I understand the advantages you can get from it, I just don't think I would get the same for the effort and care needed to do it. :)
Dymetrie
10-09-2009, 13:05
I didn't say that it didn't work, just that it was bloated and a waste of hard drive space :)
Like Vista?
:p
Yes, like Vista. :)
Finally got my account moved over to the new SIM. Had to fettle with it in my old phone to get iPhone to display the right phone number, but it's done.
PS - thanks for the SBSettings tip. Installed.
SBSettings and five icon dock are absolute essentials for me. Winterboard too of course.
Haven't looked at the other two yet, but I knew I wanted SBSettings as soon as it was mentioned. :)
SBSettings and five icon dock are absolute essentials for me. Winterboard too of course.
Just looked it up, whilst it's kinda cool having 5 icons, I don't understand why they are "essential"? The SBSettings is kinda useful, but I'd use it once a month maybe ;D
Like I said, I'm not a power user like you guys, I don't use clever network stuff etc... it just seems more gadgets to go wrong for me :o
I'm such a luddite!
I'll use SBSettings to turn the phone and wi-fi on and off. I know it's only going to save me a tap or two, but why not.
OK, noob question (not iPhone-specific). How do I find out how much credit I've got remaining? (O2 Pay&Go)
Just looked it up, whilst it's kinda cool having 5 icons, I don't understand why they are "essential"? The SBSettings is kinda useful, but I'd use it once a month maybe ;D
Maybe essential was a bit strong but having my 5 most commonly used things (phone, messages, contacts, email & calendar) showing irrespective of what page of the home screen is extremely useful.
SBSettings is something I use at least twice a day. Having the bluetooth radio on kills the battery so I only turn it on when I'm getting into the car then turn it off when I finish my journey. SBSettings lets me turn BT off with just a swipe and a button press compared to having to go to the relevant page on the home screen, settings, general, bluetooth, on/off.
OK, noob question (not iPhone-specific). How do I find out how much credit I've got remaining? (O2 Pay&Go)
Either dial 4444 and listen or do *#10# and press call.
Thanks - added *#10# to contacts so I don't forget it (it's easier than calling 4444).
Maybe essential was a bit strong but having my 5 most commonly used things (phone, messages, contacts, email & calendar) showing irrespective of what page of the home screen is extremely useful.
SBSettings is something I use at least twice a day. Having the bluetooth radio on kills the battery so I only turn it on when I'm getting into the car then turn it off when I finish my journey. SBSettings lets me turn BT off with just a swipe and a button press compared to having to go to the relevant page on the home screen, settings, general, bluetooth, on/off.
Oh I agree the the 5 icon thing is actually quite neat , that I do like - but it's not enough to tempt me (not that you're trying to, I'm just rambling :p).
I don't have BT in the car, and don't use 1/2 those settings most of the time and anything I need switched off/on I can get to quickly enough - but unlike you I don't do it often so it's not a ball ache for me. :)
I can completely see why this is so so useful for someone who extensively uses their phone's features daily - hence why you're a big cheese of IT in a big company earning a pretty penny, and I use a computer for email! :D
Knipples
10-09-2009, 17:03
I'm such a luddite!
You're protesting and destroying mechanical looms? :shocked: :p
Got my CapsuleNeo installed today. Had the usual grief I have with all screen protectors (though it was a lot easier than some I've had) so it's not perfect, but plenty good enough. Installing the rest was pretty easy and I can take the kid gloves off now.
Even with the protection on it's way thinner than my old phone, so I'm very happy with the results. It's a keeper. :)
Now I've just got to sort out the AppleCare mess. eBay transaction gone wrong again. :(
I am absolutely crap at putting screen protectors on. Somehow I managed to have some luck and get this one on pretty much perfectly.
Oh my, what's happened with eBay this time Mark? You really don't have a lot of luck.
Glad it's not just me then. Mind you, it sure helps if I pull the top layer off the protector. :o
Feek, I didn't get an AppleCare code. There's one other person who left a Negative for what I suspect was the same thing (comment is in Spanish so I'm not sure). Tried a contact but got ignored, so I'll open a dispute and be nice - it could have just got lost in the mail (I'm missing an iTunes receipt from about the same time too).
Edit - the comment was in italian :o and was a complaint for being slow. A negative for that - WTF. Anyway, I've opened a PayPal dispute and been nice so we'll see what happens next.
Blighter
12-09-2009, 22:55
Hopefully you geniuses can answer me this...
On the iPhone phonebook, it will only allow you to save one number as "Mobile" per contact... yet my Aussie cousin could save multiple "Mobile" entries for one person.
It's annoying as a couple of people on my list have two mobile numbers (transition periods etc) and I'm having to save one of them as "Car Phone" or "Fax" :p
Nothing major mind you ;D
edit: Not an Aussie thing as my mate down the road can add multiple entries for a "Mobile" under one contact too :S
Go into the contact
Edit in the top right corner
Tap the green plus where it says 'add new phone'
There's space for a number, below that is the number type, tap that and then scroll right down and you have lots of categories with 'Add Custom Label' right the bottom.
I use that one a lot, things like 'iPhone' and 'old mobile' etc.
Blighter
12-09-2009, 23:08
But that's what is odd.. I don't get 2 of the supposed options that everyone else seems to have.
It's missing both "Mobile" and "Custom"
http://blighter.net/upload/files/1/IMG_0423.PNG
Have you tried scrolling down? I know it looks complete but just try and drag that page.
Blighter
12-09-2009, 23:15
Yep, nothing there :/
Odd, mine is a fresh restore from a week ago and it looks like this when I scroll it.
http://ocukroguesgallery.com/feek/temp/odd-20090912-232125.png
Blighter
12-09-2009, 23:25
Odd :(
I get the same as Feek. Just to be clear, the list below 'Other' in Feek's post are the custom labels.
What are you syncing contacts with? If it's Outlook ('assistant' and 'radio' are typical Outlook labels), that might be why. Both me and Feek are using Macs.
PS - in other news, I can has AppleCare. Didn't take long to sort that problem out.
Blighter
13-09-2009, 00:41
I'm syncing with Google Contacts :/ Could be why I guess :(
Never used Google Contacts so I don't know what that offers. It's a possibility though (Apple have been rather clever there if that's what they've done).
For what it's worth (probably very little :p): mine has the custom labels option too. I don't sync my contacts with anything other than iTunes backing them up when I plug my iPhone in.
O2 have released an iPhone app so that you can track your remaining minutes, texts and so on. It does the same as the Mobile Allowance app but it's free.
The O2 app is called 'My O2' and is available on the app store now.
I've got this and Mobile Allowance installed and the O2 app takes well under half the time that Mobile Allowance does to give you results.
Looks like O2 are doing their usual - I can't get at my account via the app or via the web. Actually, I've never been able to see anything about my phone account via 'My O2', but CS told me that's because I'm on PAYG. Were they talking crap? :dunno:
I realise that most people here probably don't do this, but what's the best way for finding out train times? There's an app for that, but it's £4.99, which seems rather steep for information you can get for free.
I use the National Rail app for train times, it was on offer at £1.99 at the time which seemed like a reasonable enough cost.
National Rail app was the one I was looking at. Need something for Thursday when I'll be exploring parts of the rail network I've not used before.
Thinking about it, it is probably worth a fiver. Sure, the information is available elsewhere FOC but there's definitely something to be said for having it all presented and searchable without any faffing.
It's a good app. It proved very useful for me a few weekends ago when I was at the mercy of First Capital Connect as I could see where the train actually was, how late it was leaving the last station and so on. The app was much more accurate than the tannoy announcements at St. Pancras.
I'd easily pay £5 for the rail app. Don't use it an awful amount, but it's a lifesaver when you need it :)
Dymetrie
15-09-2009, 18:52
Just installed the My O2 app and it's pretty slick!
Quite glad I didn't pay for mobile allowance (free weekend) as this is much slicker and gives me more fun info to play with :)
Well, I've given up on "My O2". I can only assume it doesn't work with Pay&Go handsets. Not a big deal as I didn't expect it to really. :)
Well, I've given up on "My O2". I can only assume it doesn't work with Pay&Go handsets. Not a big deal as I didn't expect it to really. :)
well i can't login to it either.
At least I've got mobile allowance \o/
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/piggymon/Odds%20and%20Ends/help.png
;D
There's an app for that
;D
There's an app for that
;D
Is there an app for sorting out your credit rating :(
Is there an app for sorting out your credit rating :(
well I have a contract can't I just get another in my name? :)
UTTER BARGAIN (http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=183739) ;D
Blighter
24-09-2009, 00:38
Surely a mistake? ;D
It's £99 (http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TX529ZM/A) on the Apple store and that sort of indicates that the app is included.
O2 have offered that I can do a straight upgrade from my 2g to a reconditioned 3g (NOT the 3gs).
Is it really worth it? Bearing in mind I was looking forward to getting a cheaper contract as the £15 a month I'd save would be handy.
I'm already pretty sure what I'm going to do but just curious for other people's views :)
Well I'm just over a month from my upgrade window and I'm now so torn between the iPhone and an HTC Magic/Hero that I really haven't a clue which way to jump.
Feel the iPhone is a more polished solution but like the flexibility of Android.
I was the same. The iPhone is a very polished and finished product and it just does what you want but just not as flexible as others. Having said that, I've not come across anything that has stopped me doing something majore that I wanted to. I'm jailbroken which does help.
I think I made the right choice or me.
Can I ask exactly what you do with your jailbroken phone that you couldn't do with a non-jailbroken one? Not really prepared to hack about with whatever I get (at least for a while) so if there's some things I need which I can't do on a standard iPhone it might swing the decision.
It's £99 (http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TX529ZM/A) on the Apple store and that sort of indicates that the app is included.
It's gone from the Apple store already ;D
Can I ask exactly what you do with your jailbroken phone that you couldn't do with a non-jailbroken one? Not really prepared to hack about with whatever I get (at least for a while) so if there's some things I need which I can't do on a standard iPhone it might swing the decision.
Nothing major, but things that just make it nicer to have and to use. I think there are a couple of things listed a page or so back, but for me, the main ones are themes, SBSettings (which allows access to quick toggles for wireless, bluetooth, etc.), lockinfo (which shows my calendar entries, emails, SMS, etc. on the lock screen), biteSMS (a better SMS app with lots of features), Autosilent (allows me to silence alert sounds at different times of the day, mainly through the night for me). These are just a few things of the top of my head. None of them ground breaking, but enough to make it a better phone for me.
And all of them available as standard or via the marketplace on Android, without any jail break friggery.
I'm biased, though :D
That's the thing Daz, some of those things Desmo lists (tnx btw) sounds really rather useful and I fear I'd get frustrated at not being able to use them without jailbreaking my phone and all the risk that entails. The fact that I can do such things on Android appeals to me.
Daz, do you have the Magic or Hero?
Davey_Pitch
24-09-2009, 14:19
Daz has the Hero :)
Indeed, dont get the Magic, the sense UI is better imo, especially since the performance issues have been squashed :)
Bit confused about the Sense UI - what exactly does this give you over and above "virgin" Android?
Also, I presume the update is a "properly" available update that anyone can install, i.e. you don't need to root the phone or anything?
Sense lets you easily store and switch between any number of layouts/wallpaper/sound combinations you decide to create (so one for home/work/whatever), and also comes with a bunch of pretty snazzy HTC widgets on top of the Android stuff.
The update is available direct from HTC for phones bought direct from them/sim free/unbranded, Orange have made their version available and T-Mobile are apparently getting theirs out this week.
I installed the ROM direct from HTC with little trouble, no rooting required, just a little help from the Android SDK. I'm impatient :D
And all of them available as standard or via the marketplace on Android, without any jail break friggery.
Of course, but you still don't have the same amount of apps kicking around :)
I still think that for me the whole way Apple stuff works is best for me and I was happy to jailbreak to get the extras rather than have a much more open platform but maybe not work quite as well. But then I've not used the Hero extensively.
Have HTC "locked down" the Hero in any way over and above standard Android with their Sense UI or is it just as customisable? Thinking of things like keyboards as I understand HTC have put their own on there - are you still able to install others as with "normal" Android?
There's a very interesting read here (http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/jailbreaking_iphones_going_going_gone/?utm_campaign=shorturl) about jailbreaking. It looks as though the days of easy jailbreaking iPhones may soon be over.
From what I can see, he's just talking about what is possible now. Software will always be broken, it just takes a little more time. I'm sure people will find a way around these things.
Does anyone elses iPhone 'hoard' texts? I've just received 7 texts, about 1 every 15 seconds, which were sent ranging from 1900 last night to 0900 today. V frustrating!! (I'm guessing this is network rather than phone)
Nope, never had this. Almost certainly network.
Maybe they took a little while to get past O2's rude filter?
Well I'm just over a month from my upgrade window and I'm now so torn between the iPhone and an HTC Magic/Hero that I really haven't a clue which way to jump.
I spent two months deciding. I'd suggest forgetting the Magic - the Hero with latest firmware is a better choice. Both Hero and iPhone are great phones and they both have their strengths.
I chose an iPhone because the interface (with accessibility options on the 3GS) was much better for me and my bad eyesight. People bemoan things like the lack of multitasking, but I've switched from a true multitasking phone (running WinMo) to an iPhone and not regretted it one bit. I'm loving it in fact. I just wish Apple wouldn't act like a spoiled brat over access to the platform - then it wouldn't be necessary to jailbreak in the first place.
Speaking of jailbreaking, mine was done within the first week, for much the same reason as Desmo - it's the little things like five icon dock and SBSettings that make a great phone better. They're not essentials so if I ever lost the jailbreak it'd be an annoyance rather than a disaster, but it's enough of a justification for me not to do the 3.1 firmware upgrade. At least not yet. Apple are doing their best to lock out the jailbreak community, but they're smart guys and I'm sure they'll find ways given enough time. The same might not be true for unlocking, but that doesn't bother me (not yet, anyway).
If you decide on the Hero, then I just noticed Orange are offering £150 cashback via Quidco only (might get it on Topcashback via their guarantee). New customers only (you can port out and port back but don't blame me if it doesn't complete in time).
Blighter
26-09-2009, 22:43
What sort of 3G speeds are you peeps getting? On the bus and a bit bored so tested and got this...
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7112/imagerr.jpg
not too shabby I guess!
Not shabby at all, for a 404 error. :p
I'll try mine tomorrow when I'm not borderline 3G signal. What's a good site to use for testing? (isn't speedtest.net flash-based).
Blighter
27-09-2009, 00:13
Fixed :p
Ah, so there's an app then. OK, that works.
Blighter
27-09-2009, 00:31
As Desmo posted above....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/piggymon/Odds%20and%20Ends/help.png
;D
Does anyone elses iPhone 'hoard' texts? I've just received 7 texts, about 1 every 15 seconds, which were sent ranging from 1900 last night to 0900 today. V frustrating!! (I'm guessing this is network rather than phone)
iPhones are notorious for it in the US, but generally that's taken to be AT&T and their crap excuse for a network.
Blighter
27-09-2009, 07:36
Mine is being really random. If I update a contact, it sometimes deletes it, and has been duplicating them at will aswell. I have a feeling it's the service I'm using to "ActiveSync" a gmail account.. It's annoying :(
Dymetrie
27-09-2009, 07:36
What sort of 3G speeds are you peeps getting? On the bus and a bit bored so tested and got this...
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7112/imagerr.jpg
not too shabby I guess!
I'll take your not too shabby and raise you a pretty good...
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/dymetrie/9db32f6a.jpg
Taken in my living room 2 minutes ago :D
Best I've had was about 2.5meg whilst in my office...
Blighter
27-09-2009, 19:36
I'll take your not too shabby and raise you a pretty good...
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/dymetrie/9db32f6a.jpg
Taken in my living room 2 minutes ago :D
Best I've had was about 2.5meg whilst in my office...
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/710/imagecwt.jpg
train station :p
It's official - Orange are getting the iPhone, and it's the full 3GS, not just the 3G. BBC report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8278073.stm).
The question that inevitably leads to is will O2-sourced iPhones work on Orange, or will they stay locked to original network forever? The latter would be the best option for us but knowing Apple, it'll be the former.
This (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/09/who_wins_from_an_orange_iphone.html) has some good points - even most of the comments are relevant :p
And now you can add Vodafone (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8278073.stm) to the equation as well.
Just need Three and Virgin to join in now - "me too" :D
I don't really mind who gets what as I'd always want to stay with O2 anyway. A bit of competition always helps with prices though :)
Of course that would depend how much "apple tax" there is to pay,
Competition is always good. It's been clear for a while that Apple needs to drop it's exclusivity with various networks. They've had the chance to settle and prove the iPhone, establish it as more than just a flash-in-the-pan and exclusivity has been a big barrier to further market growth. I can't see any real benefit to Apple in staying exclusive any more. It only serves to restrict their potential market.
Hopefully this move in the UK will be a precursor to them making the same change here. AT&T's network and customer service have a very bad reputation, and a lot of people are seriously frustrated with the number of dropped calls, calls that never arrive (even when in strong signal), text messages that take several hours to arrive and so on. About a month ago AT&T had an outage on their visual voicemail service for a few days in the San Francisco bay area, which they didn't bother telling people about. First people found out was when the service suddenly came back on and they found lots of voicemails waiting.
I would suspect if AT&T loses the exclusivity they will find their subscribers leaving in droves.
Be interested to see what they do with their data packages as, to my knowledge, O2 are the only network who don't impose a 500MB limit on their "unlimited" data service.
They do however have a reported FUP in the 200MB range. Not sure if that applies to the iPhone packages though.
Got a really weird problem. On one particular USB port, my iPhone keeps connecting and disconnecting every second. Windows goes absolutely nuts. No idea what's causing it (I don't have iTunes on that PC - I just want it to charge the phone).
Del Lardo
01-10-2009, 22:57
Be interested to see what they do with their data packages as, to my knowledge, O2 are the only network who don't impose a 500MB limit on their "unlimited" data service.
Just got 'unlimited' data on Vodafone and from what I can tell it is unlimited unless you take the piss.
Noticed there's a new PwnageTool out for the 3GS, that'll do 3.1 firmware. Trouble is, I don't know how to restore custom firmware images. The usual method (Option+Restore) never worked for me. Maybe it's because I'm using a Windows keyboard. :dunno:
Do you have a Windows machine you could do it on, Mark? You'll need to run the tool on OS X but there's no reason why you can't them copy that custom IPSW to a Windows box and do the firmware change from there.
It could indeed be a Windows keyboard getting in the way. I've got a couple of OS X machines with a Windows keyboard, one uses ALT for option, the other uses the Windows key.
I'm going to have a bash at it on Friday assuming I get some time.
I've tried both ALT and Windows keys, and have even installed DoubleCommand.
I have an aversion (probably unfounded) to installing iTunes on a PC, but there's always the VM option (or the Windows XP partition on the Mac).
On the subject of iPod/iTunes, is there a way to add multiple albums to a playlist and have that show up on the iPhone? I'd rather set up the playlist on the iPhone so I don't have to think ahead, but either will work.
Dymetrie
07-10-2009, 17:52
On the subject of iPod/iTunes, is there a way to add multiple albums to a playlist and have that show up on the iPhone? I'd rather set up the playlist on the iPhone so I don't have to think ahead, but either will work.
Nice and easy.
In your music library, right click on an album (I do it from the grid view and click on the album cover) and add it to a playlist.
Once this is done then in the iPhone control screen, select the music tab and in there click to sync the selected playlist...
:)
OK, that makes sense. Thanks. I'll group my most used combinations of albums that way. Would still be nice if there was a way to do that directly on the device, however. :)
Mohinder
07-10-2009, 21:16
Mark:
Go to iPod, then go to Playlists, then go to On-The-Go Playlist. It'll let you add songs by default, but you can navigate around like normal and add albums instead :)
You do have to go in the album and go 'add all songs' but it's quick still.
Mohinder
07-10-2009, 21:21
Oh and also it does 'sync' that playlist back to your iTunes once you sync it as well but you can only make one at a time, if you know what I mean.
I mean you can make one on the phone, then it'll go onto your iTunes as 'on-the-go 1' then you can make another on the phone, but I don't believe you can make several in one sitting on the phone, without syncing inbetween.
I saw an 'On-the-go 1' playlist and wondered where it had come from. Now I know. :D
Noticed there's a new PwnageTool out for the 3GS, that'll do 3.1 firmware.
Just in time for 3.1.2 to be released. Which it has. Today!
This update contains bug fixes and improvements, including the following:
- Resolves sporadic issue that may cause iPhone to not wake from sleep
- Resolves intermittent issue that may interrupt cellular network services until restart
- Fixes bug that could cause occasional crash during video streaming
LOL! Nice one Apple. :D
I'll stay on 3.0.1 for now then as it isn't broke (aside from the few apps that won't run on it). If there was a good enough reason to upgrade I'd do it and forego the jailbreak, but there isn't, yet. :)
I'm not going to update until I really have to. There's nothing I need the update for really.
http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/help.png
Blighter
11-10-2009, 21:35
3rd time lucky? :D
Think I'm going to update now seeing as it's been raining :D
www.blackra1n.com for the latest jailbreak :)
Also found this earlier....live TV :)
Go to http://iphone.tvcatchup.com in safari, choose the channel and watch. It streams great over wifi and also pretty well over 3G from what I've seen so far.
I'm going to hold off until the iPhone Dev Team have a solution. Geohot said this on his blog (http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/) which has put me off using one of his releases:
I code to make things simple, hacky, and fast. Dev codes to make things proper, slow, and complicated
Just a warning that using blackra1n will kill off the ability to unlock your iPhone if you ever want that - possibly forever. Also if you use AppSync, then definitely don't upgrade - YMMV on other Hackulo.us apps.
Not really fussed about an unlock as I'll always be with O2.
The iPhone dev team (http://blog.iphone-dev.org/) have released a new version of Pwnage tool that works with 3.1.2. I'll grab a copy of it later and give it a try.
Typical that I did mine last night ;D
Still, all jb'd again and running 3.1.2 :)
Might give that a try later. I can always downgrade to 3.0 if it breaks (thanks to saurik for that little trick).
Heh heh, so much for the 'It's unjailbreakable' stuff.
Introducing the new iPhone Titanic!
EVERY piece of software can be broken given enough time and resources.
Nobody's cracked the Garmin maps yet :p It's been years.
Nobody wants to ;D
I'm sure there would be a way if people set their mind on it. Is there anything special that Garmin do that other software companies don't? I mean, people crack all sorts of software from small apps to DVD encryption. I can't see Garmin being THAT special that they've found the foolproof way.
Garmin's activation procedure seems well designed and secure. Given enough time someone could probably create a keygen or crack the firmware, but there just isn't the reward so no-one bothered.
Apple, on the other hand, make schoolboy errors in their security that lets hackers walk all over it. For example, the simple replay attacks that have been used to allow people to downgrade at will are so obvious and incredibly easy to defend against, but Apple didn't.
If they wanted to shut the community out properly, they could. For example, they could very easily ban jailbroken phones from iTunes and the App Store, but they don't for one very good reason - the community makes them money. I'm the classic example of that - my iPhone is jailbroken but I still use the App Store, regularly.
Makes you appreciate the more sympathetic approach of HTC really. They wont support you, but they dont play stupid cat and mouse games either.
Very much so, but then if the Hero did what I needed, I wouldn't be in this position to start with. :p
It wasn't meant to be flame inducing, just an observation :p
Likewise, though I'll offer my apologies for being a bit harsh in reply. :)
Does anyone have any recommendations for software I can use to sync SMS Messages and Notes. I know the latter is supported by Snow Leopard but I don't have that.
Thanks. :)
I don't get Apple's obsession with locking the phone down. I'm sure they would make tons more money if they gave you an official method of doing it, along the lines of "If you want to, here you go. It's legal and legit, but you won't get support"
I don't understand either and it's the one thing I really don't like about Apple. But there ya go, can't have it all I guess.
I imagine a big part of it is around the iTunes lock in more than anything else. First concern seems to be preventing, say, someone building a clone whose backend is amazon mp3. Arguably the same on the phone itself, but with apps to worry about as well.
I imagine a big part of it is around the iTunes lock in more than anything else. First concern seems to be preventing, say, someone building a clone whose backend is amazon mp3. Arguably the same on the phone itself, but with apps to worry about as well.
That's my take on it too.
I actually Jailbroke my phone last night, are there any decent apps you guys can recommend? I'm going to have a read back through this thread now but figured it might be quicker just to ask :p
I did it just after I got my iphone and didn't really mess around with it much so just restored it back and have never thought about it again until now.
SBSettings is the main one I use for quick toggles of wifi, bluetooth, etc.
Winterboard for themes
Backgrounder to run progs in the background
SBSettings is the main one I use for quick toggles of wifi, bluetooth, etc.
Winterboard for themes
Backgrounder to run progs in the background
Yeah, I came back to edit my post to say that I'd already grabbed SBSettings, Winterboard and PDANet - I'd seen Backgrounder but couldn't think of anything I want to run in the background, battery life is crap enough as it is! :p
I don't use backgrounder often, but if say Cydia is taking a while to load or update or maybe Installous is downloading something, I can leave them running in the background whilst I do something else.
I don't use backgrounder often, but if say Cydia is taking a while to load or update or maybe Installous is downloading something, I can leave them running in the background whilst I do something else.
Ah good thinking! :)
is there likely to be a windows app from the dev team for the latest firmware any time soon?
just tried to get Layar (augmented reality app) and it says it needs 3.1 (which i thought I had, but obviously not) :(
Nope, there isn't. They said they wouldn't be doing one.
If I can find means to back up my SMS messages, I'll probably attack my 3GS this weekend and if that's what you've got, I can save the firmware. If not, ask Burble.
iPhone has just been on Watchdog for 'Coma mode' (refusing to come out of standby mode). It's an issue with the 3.1 firmware (which they themselves admitted is fixed in 3.1.2, so it was a bit of a pointless article save for reminding people to update).
SMSs are backed up through iTunes, I've had my phone replaced recently and when I restored it, my texts all came back. They also stayed on the phone when I jailbroke it and they were also there when I de-jailbroke it afterwards.
Blighter
15-10-2009, 23:46
iPhone has just been on Watchdog for 'Coma mode' (refusing to come out of standby mode). It's an issue with the 3.1 firmware (which they themselves admitted is fixed in 3.1.2, so it was a bit of a pointless article save for reminding people to update).
I had this a few times, all you have to do is press on/off and the menu button randomly a few times and it comes on, and yes, since I've updated to 3.1.2 it hasn't done it :)
SMSs are backed up through iTunes, I've had my phone replaced recently and when I restored it, my texts all came back. They also stayed on the phone when I jailbroke it and they were also there when I de-jailbroke it afterwards.
That's pretty neat :)
As Feek says, everything is backed up to iTunes. I've done a few upgrades and never lost a text message.
Thanks. Just read the Apple article on what gets backed up. Pretty much everything then.
Slight complication because I can't use my normal iTunes installation to do the firmware restore. Think I can work around that one though.
You don't need to use your normal iTunes installation for a restore. I've just restored my iPhone on my netbook then plugged it back into my MacBook to restore the backup.
are there any decent apps you guys can recommend?
Not sure how I forgot this one but Lockscreen Info is great.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/piggymon/Computer%20Stuff/iPhone/de4d3bd2.jpg
It shows email, phone, text, voicemail, weather, etc. on your lockscreen and is quite customisable and has lots of plugins.
You need to add these repos to cydia...
http://david.ashman.com/beta/ < - For Lockscreen Info and plugins
http://simonv.chronophoto.fr/cydia/ < - For more plugins and themes
Now that is cool! I've seen a similar program called SmartScreen but that's a paid for app and AFAIK hasn't been released yet.
Very nice. I assume that doesn't prevent notifications or iPod controls working on the lock screen.
Nope, everything works just the same with regards to messages popping up and other controls. You can also fold and unfold each section so if I tap "Upcoming Events 1" on my screen it will unfold and show me the details. Same with texts, emails, etc. You can set the default to folded/unfolded and how many items it shows. It's pretty customisable :)
I've updated my 3GS to 3.1.2 using a firmware made through Pwnage tool.
Before I started I found some forum posts saying that having Icy installed can upset Cydia so I removed Icy from my firmware.
No problems to report.
LeperousDust
21-10-2009, 08:32
Ok so i'm jailbroken, woo! :) But how do i remove Icy, since it might case problems and i don't really need it?
I also assumed backing up my iphone and "transfering purchases" would make sure i kept all my apps, but apparently not? I've lost them for good i suspect?
Surely that shouldn't matter. Applications are linked to the iTunes account, not the actual device.
LeperousDust
21-10-2009, 09:07
Yeah indeed i just encountered that, went ahead and click buy anyway itunes said i already paid click ok for free! Well done apple! :D
But how do i remove Icy, since it might case problems and i don't really need it?
You can't. Well, you can attempt to remove it through Cydia but that'll cock up your iPhone. The trick is to not install it in the first place which is something that needs to be done during the firmware generation process.
Sorry dude, I didn't know about the Icy problems when I built your firmware - I'll rebuild one tonight that hasn't got Icy installed and PM you a download link.
Did you use the hacktivated version or normal?
LeperousDust
21-10-2009, 09:22
I used the hacktivated version, but tbh im not sure if i can be arsed doing all that again :p Especially if i cock up the apps again this is annoying redownloading everything! If i dont use Icy is it really a problem?
From what I read just having Icy installed is enough to screw up Cydia. I saw a screenshot someone posted of an error in Cydia saying that it couldn't identify what version of Cydia it was running and that there was no known fix short of a restore using a firmware that hasn't got Icy installed.
LeperousDust
21-10-2009, 09:36
Balls, dont want that happening then, probably best to give me some new firmware then, but let it be known i hate you :p Already had generic errors that had me worried whilst restoring and had to download iREB to fix :p
You hate me eh? I'll be sure to remember that when I put some 'extras' into your new firmware :)
LeperousDust
21-10-2009, 09:53
:p
Install cydelete from cydia and it should allow you to remove Icy just like any other app :)
so... finally picked up mine today. won't be breaking it, get it much cheapness on o2 anyway and don't see the need for me personally.
what apps should i pick up from the official app store?
and does anyone have the myo2 app working?
Dymetrie
26-10-2009, 19:15
Which apps you get depends on what you want to do...
My most used are:
Tube status (for London tube stuffs)
Stanza (for ebooks)
eBay (for eBay :p)
Capsuleer (for Eve stuffs)
Wikipanion (for informations)
...and then various others on occasion :)
the myO2 app works great for me on 3g but fails on wifi...
Which is odd :D
i got a network fail message so took it off the wireless and tried on the 3g, but it still failed there too :(
3.1.2 on, Pwned, etc. Thanks to everyone for the advice.
I need to sync it back with iTunes to get all the apps and music back but that's no bother. I'll do it tomorrow when I've got the Mac running OS X (I had to do the convoluted PwnageTool (OS X) -> iTunes (Windows) -> iTunes (OS X) mess). Windows did the whole Backup/Upgrade/Restore sequence on its own though so all my SMS, email settings, contacts, Wi-fi settings etc. are still there.
Maybe I can do away with the Windows step when I upgrade the Mac to Snow Leopard (procured a copy last week - just need to find the time to back everything up to a spare external drive and actually do it.
PS - I got the problem with the carrier name not showing on the status bar. I presume everyone gets that as there are so many reports of it. Also got a hang when installing SBSettings but 3.0.1 did that too.
PS - I got the problem with the carrier name not showing on the status bar. I presume everyone gets that as there are so many reports of it. Also got a hang when installing SBSettings but 3.0.1 did that too.
Install MakeItMine from Cydia and then you can manually set some text for the carrier. Not ideal but I prefer it to having a blank space.
and does anyone have the myo2 app working?
Yep, works fine for me over 3G and WiFi.
Think it's contract-only. I never got it to work but then I'm on PAYG.
MyO2 does work with PAYG. I had to try and log in god knows how many times before it would work. Once you're in though you set up a PIN and now it works every single time without fail.
Can you see anything about your account by logging in on the web? If I go to 'My O2' online, I can log in fine and see personal details, but as far as they're concerned my phone doesn't exist.
OK, despite the missing account details (would be nice to be able to fix that), I cracked it:
Fix the APN settings on the iPhone - forgot to do that after upgrading. :o
Go to http://www.o2.co.uk/myo2, log in, click 'Find out more' under 'My personal details'.
In the personal details page, make sure the mobile number listed is correct. If not, change it. You'll get an activation code to enter.
Go back to My O2 on the iPhone and log in.
my "my o2" works now. i had a second account on their site which had been generated for me, which is stupid and i'll never remember.
this one works on my phone, i can check my balance online with the more sensible username. it works but is a bit silly.
Doodle jump everyone. My favourite app with a special Halloween update!
Doodle jump rocks! Enter your name as Boo to get the Halloween version or use a name of one of the pygmys in Pocket God (Ooga for example) to get the Pocket God version.
Speaking of Pocket God, they're Mentalists! Pygmy-eating Barking Spiders. ;D ;D
It's official - Orange are getting the iPhone, and it's the full 3GS, not just the 3G. BBC report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8278073.stm).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8337601.stm
10th November
Orange price plans: http://interest.orange.co.uk/
O2 price plans: http://shop.o2.co.uk/update/paymonth.html
Thanks Takhisis.
In summary, Orange's £30 contract deal is better than O2's, and their internet tethering rate is also much better (though why either company charge for that is still beyond me). Other than that, one could be forgiven for suggesting there was some price fixing going on. Surely Apple would never do such a thing, would they? ;)
Wonder if the OFT will take a look.
i think it's more that apple charge a massive amount for the handset and neither company can bring it down below that. as i understand o2 had to change the iphone contract a few times to stop themselves losing money on it (hence the no unlimited texts and stuff)
also the charge for tethering is so that they don't lose money on people with a mobile broadband dongle. hence the same pricing for that as tethering.
leowyatt
03-11-2009, 12:55
Just seen this (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/11/dutch-hacker-holds-jailbroken-iphones-hostage-for-5.ars) on digg about a dutch hacker taking control of iPhones. Not sure if it's relevant to any jailbroken phones here but thought I'd let you all know :)
That just goes to show why unnecessary services (SSH as usual) should be disabled when not needed and passwords shouldn't be left as default.
Unfortunately a freshly jailbroken iPhone will be ripe for the picking as they'll have SSH running and a default known password (alpine in this case).
Interesting, though the likes of Saurik have been warning about this one for a while. It's an SSH-based exploit. If you use SSH on your iPhone, change the default password. Job done. :)
Don't think I have SSH on my iPhone. I didn't choose to install it, at any rate.
I thought that OpenSSH was installed by default when Cydia went in, but thinking about it I did specifically install it.
I think OpenSSL may be installed by default (for HTTPS access presumably). OpenSSH isn't.
I just checked port 22 over wi-fi and it's closed. Interestingly when I tried the same thing over the WAN IP, I got nothing (not even a response to a ping), so maybe this is also network-dependant.
I think OpenSSL may be installed by default (for HTTPS access presumably). OpenSSH isn't.
I just checked port 22 over wi-fi and it's closed. Interestingly when I tried the same thing over the WAN IP, I got nothing (not even a response to a ping), so maybe this is also network-dependant.
Isn't the WAN IP an RFC1918 address? In which case you wouldn't be able to scan unless you initiated the scan from something else in that subnet.
Incidentally the chap has posted removal instructions (http://mr09.fileave.com/).
True, it is. Didn't spot that one but I should have. :o
Anyway, if I install OpenSSH (which I doubt I will) I'll be sure to change the password. :)
connected my phone to itunes for the first time in months yesterday after i couldn't get an app straight from my phone - had to use the pc to download it.
anyway, i'm back to that old problem of itunes removing loads of apps and now some of those downloaded wont install 'due to an unknown error'
I can't find the fix that Desmo told me last time but i've got, what i thought was, everything i need installed; Cydia, installous (and rock if that makes a difference)
what am i missing?
AppSync in the Hackulo repo :)
ah yes - thank you!
and i got that lockscreen info and the weather says "native rendering not supported" - any ideas?
I've had that problem too, can't remember exactly how I fixed it. I think I needed to enable or disable something in Winterboard.
i'll have a look around. there was 'lockinfo matte ui' in winterboard, but that just made the whole thing disappear :/
oh and before i forget (again) - does anybody else get 'failure to fetch' errors when loading cydia? happens to me every time it loads from a data source.
Probably just a repository gone down. Happens quite frequently. If you get it all the time then you may have a duff source configured (check the list of sources in Cydia).
If you're getting it every time you fire up Cydia then I think it's more likely an incorrectly setup repository rather than a down repository. I was getting the same message when I setup a source incorrectly and despite removing it from the Cydia GUI the source remained so I needed to remove it manually.
The instructions I used are here (http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220864&highlight=bzip2).
just updated TomTom (via iTunes) and its gone and forced me to agree to remove apps installed via Installous again!!
is there any way to stop this happening? its really annoying to have to get them all again, especially when some of them cause me issues in getting back!
Legal TomTom or a hacked version? If the former, it's probably them trying to get revenge for the latter. That sort of thing often backfires. :)
hacked... but i thought it was all the same to itunes once the apps are in the directory.
its not tomtom's doing though, its itunes. happened the other day before i did anything with tomtom. damned iTunes - got rid of like 15 apps the other day :/
Well, I deliberately avoided using iTunes for anything that wasn't in the App Store. Sounds like I made the right choice. I'd suggest you junk AppSync and do it directly on the phone.
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