View Full Version : F1 on its knees!
Matblack
19-06-2009, 07:37
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jun/19/formula-one-fota-breakaway-f1
:shocked:
Looks like there will be to F1 style series from 2010 unless someone does some serious back peddling!
MB
Kell_ee001
19-06-2009, 07:41
Looks like there will be to F1 style series from 2010 unless someone does some serious back peddling!
:shocked:
And quickly from reading that! Confirmation by COB :confused:
Briggykins
19-06-2009, 08:01
Nuts. I know some people wanted this, but I was really really hoping it wouldn't happen. F1 needs the balance of power between the teams and the FIA so that it can innovate without becoming a meaningless display of who's got the most money. Hope they sort it somehow but I don't think there's time.
Looks like there will be to F1 style series from 2010 unless someone does some serious back peddling!
MB
1.2 I'd say. The current F1 is likely to be Williams and 3 newcomers.
Can't say I'm surprised. I wonder if Max and Bernie's arse holes are flapping?
NokkonWud
19-06-2009, 09:40
Max's very well might be if he's been in any more Nazi Orgies.
leowyatt
19-06-2009, 09:45
Forgive my ignorance here but is this such a terrible thing? The cap I mean, not the break away?
Hmmm, interesting. I'd be up for seeing this new series at a cut down entry price as currently the money for a ticket is insane. Another key point is that it seems that Bernie is withholding money from teams dating back to 2006.
There was a similar wobble to this a few years ago, I do hope that they will have the balls to go through with it this time. One of the major changes they could make would be to tell their drivers to overtake! Watching one car follow another and then "leap frog" in the pits is absolutely pants.
Forgive my ignorance here but is this such a terrible thing? The cap I mean, not the break away?
That's a matter of opinion. Personally I'm against it because F1 is meant to be the pinnacle of 4 wheeled motorsport and it can't be that with a budget cap in place.
On the other hand I do understand who the cap could be beneficial by making the sport more accessible for teams with smaller budgets so I think the cap should either be enforced across the board or scrapped. The proposal is for it to be a recommended cap but with potential penalties for teams that go over the cap. That would create a 2 tiered sport which personally I think would be a very bad move.
leowyatt
19-06-2009, 10:02
The reason I asked was as I'm sure most of you don't know Rugby League had a salary cap introduce some time ago and at the time everyone was complaining that it would ruin the sport but to be honest it hasn't. It means the top clubs compete against each other but other teams can compete with them. If teams exceed this cap then get points deducted at the start of the season.
A salary cap is a different thing though, also the F1 cap is excluding salaries and marketing so it's basically just car development and running costs. With a cap on those things the teams are limited as to what developments they can do and they must choose carefully. Make a wrong choice and they're stuck with it.
Again, I can see the possible benefits to that as it forces them to use more brain power rather than just throwing money at the problem but my overriding thought is that F1 is meant to be the pinnacle so the teams should be allowed to spend what they can afford.
With one hand they're imposing caps on team spending, and with the other they're pushing up charges such that the likes of Silverstone can't afford to compete for a race (no doubt replaced by somewhere in the East that have no problem showering Bernie with gold). If the FIA is pocketing the proceeds when they should have rightfully been distributed to the teams then they clearly have serious problems irrespective of the cap.
In any event there's too much politics in F1, and Bernie's jovial 'ignorance' of the situation just broadcast on the BBC certainly doesn't help the situation.
Fans seem to be coming down on both sides. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Personally I agree with there being some sort of cap in place. There are many arguements for and against the cap. Yes F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and innovation should be encouraged but if you allow people to spend without limit you can forget any kind of real competition. It's not like they have reduced it to a stupidly low amount. The two teir system was never going to work but that idea was binned long ago now, it's not really part of the current situation. If there is a split and they go their separate ways I can see that crippling both series.
It seems to have got overly political now to a stage where the sport is taking a back seat. Strangely it seems like many people (not on the forums here I mean in general) are demonising Mosley when in fact I personally think the Ferrari camp have far more to answer for for having things go pear shaped.
I'll be very disappointed to see it split into 2 series so hope they try and sort something out before it's too late. Time will only tell, but it does seem that there are people willing to cut off their nose to spite their own face on both sides so we could already be beyond the point of no return.
£39mill not stupidly low? yes it is.
Forgive my ignorance here but is this such a terrible thing? The cap I mean, not the break away?
Yes the cap is unworkable. teams in foreign countries will have more money due to exchange rates, it is nearly imposable to regulate and the figure is so stupidly low it's unbelievable.
FOTA seemed to of planned this a lot better than last time (2006). I still don't think it will happen. It's just another chess move. however it does happen I think it will work great. FOTA seem to be operating and as a unit and not arguing like they did in the past. There's plenty of tracks for them to use. But it's still unlikely.
It is back to max and bernie, see what tehy do with teh 5pm deadline today,
FIA to start legal proceeding against FOTA especially Ferrari.
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=38220
I wonder if A1GP is going to pop it's head up at any stage in this whole thing?
The problem with the cap is that if you're used to spending £100M and then have to drop to £40M, what happens to all the long term contracts you have with other manufacturers, suppliers, staff, etc? You can't just lose all of that overnight.
The problem with the cap is that if you're used to spending £100M and then have to drop to £40M, what happens to all the long term contracts you have with other manufacturers, suppliers, staff, etc? You can't just lose all of that overnight.
If you do I guess there would be some serious financial penalties too. Under those circumstances I'd be passing the bills onto the FIA!
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