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windows 7 pre-order starts at midnight. Limited amount of copies for bagain prices.
expected to be £50 for Home premium and £99 for professional.
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx
quidco also has 15% of Microsoft store.
Going to see if any of them are selling it cheap.
I shall be getting two copies of Home Premium, if it will let me.
Is it definitely midnight it all kicks off?
I shall be getting two copies of Home Premium, if it will let me.
Is it definitely midnight it all kicks off?
it should be.
Good good, shall try and grab mine then.
Does anyone know Amazon/Play/eBuyer's respective policies on charging for pre orders?
Amazon is definitely charge on dispatch. Already looked on there help page.
Not sure on the others.
Awesome, will most likely just buy whichever is cheapest unless they're all the same.
CBA with setting up quidco and an account at MS for it all though.
NokkonWud
14-07-2009, 23:28
Amazon and Play are both definitely charge on dispatch.
Streeteh
14-07-2009, 23:34
Cheers for the reminder but i'm still worried about the fact the MS website states you need a legit copy of XP/Vista to qualify. Myself and my parents own OEM copies, there's no real details on whether they count, and i'd ideally like to buy a third copy for a friend who doesn't own any copies.
oem should be fine, oem is a legit copy of windows. But of course it will still be tied to that motherboard.
I have one legit copy of vista retail and two other computers running windows rc. Going to risk it and get 2 copies.
I can't see you typing in serial at purchase and I can't see them making a special disk for these pre orders.
Can always buy some dirt cheap copies on ebay. I mean you can pick up vista for £40 on ebay already for a retail copy. Even if you have to do that it' still far cheaper.
NokkonWud
14-07-2009, 23:38
They do tie it to Motherboards, but I've also replaced a full PC before, re-installed the same OEM and rang to explain it and they've passed it.
Is it just me or is the Microsoft Store knackered?
Is it just me or is the Microsoft Store knackered?
It does load, it's just being hit hard.
I don't have any valid keys for XP/Vista, if it turns out I absolutely can't use the pre orders, i'll sell them or something. None of the retailer sites as yet have any mention of this though, which is another reason i'm avoiding the MS store.
Del Lardo
14-07-2009, 23:46
mmm, the snob in me says Professional but no way am I paying £50 for automatic backups, joining domains and XP compatibility mode as I suspect that I would end up only using automatic backups
Ain't it just! The impression I get is windows 7 is worth it?
Keep getting 'server too busy' errors. I'm not convinced the offer is limited by quantity so I'm not sure what the rush is.
I've got an MS Store account so may as well quidco it. Given that I need three licenses - at least one pro (probably two), it'll be worth it.
I don't think there's a huge rush. But apparently japan sold out within a few days. But no idea if it's true. I'm up anyway, so safer to get it now then spend almost £100+ per copy later on,
eBuyer are up - £44.99 for HP, £80 for Pro.
Nice. There were rumours that Pro would be about £80. Makes the decision easier, though I've changed my mind and would prefer a confirmed 'payment on ship' supplier (I'll still take Quidco if there's the option).
Still says coming soon on microsoft shop - or am I looking in the wrong bit?
eBuyer only have 150 HP editions, so i'm loathe to wait too long for amazon/play to sort themselves out and update their sites.
Amazon is showing Pro at £89.97. No word on Home yet.
£43.46/£86.93 on staples
ex. VAT
rubbish.
do ebuyer charge on dispatch can't find anything in help?
Not if you select super saver. Currently setting one up in case lol
except the lost password thing is broken :( So can't log in until they're open and I can ring up and hurl abuse lol
I just ordered from eBuyer.
It comes up with a lot of warning about stock but the email they sent says:
Unfortunately the above item is currently out of stock.
Please note; the product is out of stock at the time of this email. If your order status is showing that payment has been taken it means this matter has been sorted. In this instance, you will receive your order as planned and you can ignore this message. If you have pre-ordered the item, please ignore this message.
First bold implies payment taken on dispatch, second bold just telling you all the 'out of stock' warnings are due to preorder, not actual stock issues as such.
Only 70 stock left at eBuyer
Only 70 stock left at eBuyer
69 ;)
Finally got in ;D
To be honest, I can't see it being much less than £45 anywhere and if Amazon were £10 more for Pro, I can't see them being less for HP.
Frankly, from the looks of things, i'm not sure Amazon and Play got any HP stock. That or they're holding it til morning to give other people who aren't sad like us a chance :p
tbh I really don't want to risk getting a overdraft charge.
Think I'll wait for amazon/play as they say in black and white it isn't taken.
G'night folks, confirmation email recieved :)
ebuyer is out of HP :shocked:
NokkonWud
15-07-2009, 00:28
Well I was at the final stage of eBuyer before it took everything out my basket as they were all gone, which sucked. Then they appeared for £5 more on Play.com so I ordered 2 on there knowing they definitely won't charge until dispatch.
NokkonWud
15-07-2009, 00:29
Oh, and Home Premium is up on Play.com obviously :p.
NokkonWud
15-07-2009, 00:29
http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/11047872/Microsoft-Windows-7-Home-Premium-E-Retail/Product.html
Ah that's good to know Nokkon, if they were actually gone it just wouldn't have let me order, having actually got an email suggests I got in there in time.
Psymonkee
15-07-2009, 00:34
couldn't find it @ ebuyer, grabbed it at staples instead :)
Too slow on HP due to dithering, but I grabbed two copies of Pro (one for the laptop and one for the new PC when I get around to buying/building it - won't be before the release date).
Reading on eBuyer forums suggests they'll be Retail discs with no upgrade checks whatsoever, which I'd also heard from elsewhere. Microsoft won't be offering upgrade discs in the EU for a while due to the 'Windows E' policy (i.e. no IE) to avoid another bunch of EU bureaucrats sticking their oar in where it doesn't belong.
Yeah, I knew it was gonna be full retail, still a little worried about the supposed need for the legit keys to be eligible but we'll see.
Psymonkee
15-07-2009, 00:39
balls, staples charge @ order :(
Well that's that 2 from play at full price. But still only a bit more than the others and better for the knowledge of safety.
NokkonWud
15-07-2009, 00:44
I take it these wont be dispatched until or around October 26th and that these aren't a few that are ready now so I'll be charged in the morning and have it by next week? I hope not because I won't be able to afford it if that's the case :(.
Yeah, I knew it was gonna be full retail, still a little worried about the supposed need for the legit keys to be eligible but we'll see.
It's a copy/paste job from the US site where upgrades do exist. Proof (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:YmpXPzRFt9oJ:www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order-faq.aspx+site:microsoft.com+%22windows+7%22+%22pre-order%22+FAQ&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk) (for as long as it hangs around in Google's Cache).
I take it these wont be dispatched until or around October 26th and that these aren't a few that are ready now so I'll be charged in the morning and have it by next week? I hope not because I won't be able to afford it if that's the case :(.
end of october, play and amazon deffo don't charge till dispatch. The others shouldn't but I didn't want to risk it.Will see if amazon have any in the mourning can always buy amazon ones and then cancle play.
Oh just get another 2 copys. Should of bought loads. Would make a nice profit in october.
Yeah that's where I read, though what has me concerned is the wording of 'eligible', not 'required'.
I would imagine i'm worrying for nothing and it'll just be a standard retail DVD but it's still a niggle at the back of my mind.
@Nokkon, it's released October 22nd I think, so you won't get it til then.
Going to suggest my parents upgrade too during the offer. I know their PC will run it (I specced it).
Yeah that's where I read
No it isn't, because that page has expired. :) That's why I had to use Google Cache to grab it. You most likely read it on the UK site which, like I said, is a copy/paste from the US site where the products are different (they don't have the 'E' restrictions). We'll find out on release day, but as you said, you can flog it (or 'borrow' someone else's legit CD/key).
I see OcUK deleted the thread about Windows 7 preorders, presumably because OcUK aren't selling it and so people are asking for competitors :p
Hope they prune it and replace it, there was a lot of useful info in there.
Going to suggest my parents upgrade too during the offer. I know their PC will run it (I specced it).
I think they will be to late, ebuyer is out, amazon is out of proffesional but haven't released HP yet.
Del Lardo
15-07-2009, 00:52
Play just took my order
No it isn't, because that page has expired. :) That's why I had to use Google Cache to grab it. You most likely read it on the UK site which, like I said, is a copy/paste from the US site where the products are different (they don't have the 'E' restrictions). We'll find out on release day, but as you said, you can flog it (or 'borrow' someone else's legit CD/key).
No, it was the US site I read it on :p
It said 'United States' at the top of the page :D
Nah, there will be more. 150 won't be the entire stock at eBuyer. They're probably doing a controlled release so everyone gets a chance. There will also be copies to pre-order in retail stores apparently.
Not surprised the pre-order thread went. Everyone seemed to be trading pricing and/or email addresses for hints - both of which are clear violations of the rules.
They could prune it, but it'd have to be locked thereafter as that problem is going to be unavoidable.
Nah, there will be more. 150 won't be the entire stock at eBuyer. They're probably doing a controlled release so everyone gets a chance. There will also be copies in retail stores apparently.
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Would be good as I wouldn't mind a pro copy
What do you mean play took your order? on the website or a 2nd confirmation email?
There's still 201 pro copies available. Risking the pre-order payment thing so you takes your chance. Go. :)
Ordered it from play.com. I take it there's no chance of having this on both my desktop and laptop without buying 2 copies?
http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Retail-Boxed-Software/subcat/Windows-7
£80
Psymonkee
15-07-2009, 00:59
Ordered 3 from play, will be cancelling my staples order :)
Just gotta make sure I have the pennies there come october ;)
I really would expect that retailers (or maybe MS themselves) are going to release this in drips.
If they can 'sell out' on opening night, it creates an atmosphere of massive demand, which will then drive sales of future copies they release before August 9th.
It wouldn't be an almost month long promo with about 5000 copies of both combined to buy.
do they defiinatiely charge on dispatch? weary buying unless I see black and white confirmation,
Del Lardo
15-07-2009, 01:00
Would be good as I wouldn't mind a pro copy
What do you mean play took your order? on the website or a 2nd confirmation email?
This email is only an acknowledgement of receipt of your order which has been passed to our dispatch department to be processed.
Only 1 mail so far
http://forums.ebuyer.com/showpost.php?p=751467&postcount=111
Looks like they charge now. Bit cheeky but nevermind.
Oh well. I can live with. Would be good if it didn't track onto my statement until tomorrow though (next billing cycle).
So glad I stuck with my guns.. That would screw me this month,
That said, that guy used Google Checkout, not a real payment method. Someone else says they think it's going to wait but need to wait to see their account in the morning to verify. I stuck it on my mums credit card as I do with all online purchases just for the added security it brings over debit.
The status on my order hasn't gone to 'Invoiced' though, like it usually would when payment is taken, so I suspect it won't take it yet.
hmm, tempted but I'll get this from the academic alliance @ uni \o/
Amazon got HP up at £44.97 now.
I'd stepped away while I did it dawned on me that that was likely the case. They have to take payment on Google and PayPal Checkout orders now because there's no way for them to do so later (they don't have access to the payment details).
My order is at status 'stock warning' and they haven't taken payment. They can't have done as they wouldn't be offering me options to change payment details or cancel the order if they had.
I could have got all these licenses via MSDN, but as I've said before I only use my MSDN license to (a) get stuff that is free anyway (like the RC), or (b) get stuff that I need to do my job - whether that's at home or at work, or (c) as a temporary measure either because I can't find my own copies or for evaluation purposes.
Seems silly to spurn these cheap prices and risk getting burned later. :)
NokkonWud
15-07-2009, 01:48
Ordered it from play.com. I take it there's no chance of having this on both my desktop and laptop without buying 2 copies?
You would need 2 copies.
Streeteh
15-07-2009, 02:23
Went ahead and preordered 3 copies from amazon.
You would need 2 copies.
Shame. Why does Vista work fine on 2 separate PC's on the same key?
Streeteh
15-07-2009, 03:42
Shame. Why does Vista work fine on 2 separate PC's on the same key?
Legit or non legit? I know i'm stating the obvious but it doesn't matter how many non legit copies you install. If it's legit you've somehow managed to hax the Vista activation via accidental voodoo magics
Went ahead and preordered 3 copies from amazon.
Ordered just the one from amazon too. Great price.
Typical - gave up waiting for Amazon at about 1:02 and it showed up about 6 mins later by all accounts :)
Anyway, ordered 2xHP and 1xPro from there.
I reckon that someone grabbed a whole pile of the remaining HP from ebuyer to re-sell. Wish I had the cash to do that :D
Started the new job on Monday within the industry and as Win 7 will be one of our core products will be, I should be getting a copy of Premium to have a play about with on release free of charge \o/
I reckon that someone grabbed a whole pile of the remaining HP from ebuyer to re-sell. Wish I had the cash to do that :D
TBH, the panic last night over eBuyer's rapidly diminishing stock levels was quite funny. Loads of people thinking each retailer only had 100 or so copies and if they didn't get one, that'd be it.
As if that's all each retailer would have, after all the hype surrounding this pre-order offer :) My guess is that eBuyer, not knowing how many they'd really be able to sell, just stuck a small nominal amount of stock in there to start with. I notice none of the other retailers are even mentioning stock levels.
TBH, the panic last night over eBuyer's rapidly diminishing stock levels was quite funny. Loads of people thinking each retailer only had 100 or so copies and if they didn't get one, that'd be it.
As if that's all each retailer would have, after all the hype surrounding this pre-order offer :) My guess is that eBuyer, not knowing how many they'd really be able to sell, just stuck a small nominal amount of stock in there to start with. I notice none of the other retailers are even mentioning stock levels.
eBuyer are buying big quantities daily so I wouldn't expect them to not be able to meet demand
What does the professional have over the Home?
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare-editions
Davey_Pitch
15-07-2009, 09:14
Is Windows 7 really that good that I should be concerned about pre-ordering it? What does it do over Vista and XP that makes it so essential?
I think the point of the pre-order is more about the price rather than anything else, Davey. Home Premium is going for about £50 on pre-order but the RRP is something like £150 or so.
Will it run ok on an AMD AM2 @3.1Ghz with 4gb ram and 8800 GTS?
Davey_Pitch
15-07-2009, 09:31
I think the point of the pre-order is more about the price rather than anything else, Davey. Home Premium is going for about £50 on pre-order but the RRP is something like £150 or so.
Ah, I see. May pre-order a copy then and have a play with RC2 (I think I've got a copy of it somewhere) and then either cancel or keep it depending on how much I like it.
Professional basically adds these features:
Location-aware printing
Domain join
Encrypting file system
Advanced backup
Remote desktop host
XP compatibility mode (the virtual machine thingy)
In a change to the Vista HP/Business structure, W7 Pro is a genuine superset of HP and thus still includes all the "home" features like Media Center.
I've ordered a Pro for myself (and two HPs for other machines), partly because of the above features but also because I've had issues with certain bits of MS software not working on Vista HP and requiring Business or Ultimate. Examples are Virtual PC and the Hyper-V manager. Tools such as these may or may not work on W7 HP but I figured I'd just get Pro this time round to make sure. Vista Business wasn't an option as I need things like Media Center and Ultimate was too expensive.
Del Lardo
15-07-2009, 09:44
Will it run ok on an AMD AM2 @3.1Ghz with 4gb ram and 8800 GTS?
Yup, runs fine on Atom 330, 9400m, 1.5GB RAM and Atom 330, Intel 945GFX (64mb), 2GB
Del Lardo
15-07-2009, 09:46
Professional basically adds these features:
Location-aware printing
Domain join
Encrypting file system
Advanced backup
Remote desktop host
XP compatibility mode (the virtual machine thingy)
In a change to the Vista HP/Business structure, W7 Pro is a genuine superset of HP and thus still includes all the "home" features like Media Center.
I've ordered a Pro for myself (and two HPs for other machines), partly because of the above features but also because I've had issues with certain bits of MS software not working on Vista HP and requiring Business or Ultimate. Examples are Virtual PC and the Hyper-V manager. Tools such as these may or may not work on W7 HP but I figured I'd just get Pro this time round to make sure. Vista Business wasn't an option as I need things like Media Center and Ultimate was too expensive.
I thought Encryption only came in Ultimate?
I thought Encryption only came in Ultimate?
Yep. Bitlocker only comes with Ultimate, not professional.
Yup, runs fine on Atom 330, 9400m, 1.5GB RAM and Atom 330, Intel 945GFX (64mb), 2GB
Also runs fine on 1.2GHz Pentium 3, 1GB RAM, Radeon 9000 (but don't expect Aero). Almost anything built within the last five years should breeze it.
Yep. Bitlocker only comes with Ultimate, not professional.
Wiki seems to think Pro comes with 'File encryption' and Ultimate comes with 'BitLocker file encryption'
Wiki seems to think Pro comes with 'File encryption' and Ultimate comes with 'BitLocker file encryption'
Yep that's what the chart I saw said. Encrypting File System is in Pro but Bitlocker is in Ultimate. Not sure what the exact differences are mind.
I'm sure I read somewhere that Bitlocker would be available in lesser versions than Ultimate and that Bitlocker-to-go (i.e. USB flash drive support) would be in Ultimate. Looks like that's not the case after all.
EDIT: Quite a good summary of the differences here: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/smb-security/articles/27034.aspx
I wonder how many people will be caught out by the fact that there's no web browser pre-installed with Win7 :)
I'm not sure, most places seem to have a fairly prominent notice on the page mentioning it.
Del Lardo
15-07-2009, 10:38
Can anyone confirm if these will be full versions or will they require a code, if so will XP be OK or will you need Vista?
Pulled from Amazon's page about it.
3. Is this a full product or an upgrade from a previous version of Windows?
At present in the EU, all versions of Windows 7 (Home Premium, Professional and Ultimate) are the full product. This means that to install Windows 7, you do not need any previous version of Windows installed on your computer.
They are full retail euro copies. The only thing MS say is to be 'eligible for the offer' you need XP or Vista but I think we've generally concluded that's just lazy copy pasting from the US offer pages where they only got the Upgrade packages.
Del Lardo
15-07-2009, 11:18
Bostin, just thought I'd better double check.
1xPro & 2xHE from Play and same from Amazon for backup. Will probs end up flogging the spare copies to friends at cost but have been screwed by Play in the past on pre-orders.
I wonder how many people will be caught out by the fact that there's no web browser pre-installed with Win7 :)
Not nearly as many people as will be caught out by the need to install afresh.
"What do you mean I can't upgrade my XP/Vista installation!!?!??!?!?!"
Just pre ordered from amazon, nearly ordered two (laptop and pc) will ponder the second for a while but thats a stonking intro price...
Psymonkee
15-07-2009, 11:30
>.< @ Staples. Confirmed via phone that they will take money now and dispatch later. Asked to cancel and they can't find my order :\
\0/
I've succumbed and ordered a Home Edition from Amazon. This may be my first proper OS for a while :)
Del Lardo
15-07-2009, 12:10
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8151342.stm
Analysts IDC predict that some 177 million copies of the operating system will be in place by the end of 2010, 50 million of which will be in Europe. The firm estimates that products and services surrounding Windows 7 will generate $320bn (£195bn).
:shocked:
Legit or non legit? I know i'm stating the obvious but it doesn't matter how many non legit copies you install. If it's legit you've somehow managed to hax the Vista activation via accidental voodoo magics
Legit. It's an academic alliance business version from my university with my own private serial.
SiD the Turtle
15-07-2009, 13:05
Just pre-ordered three copies of HP from Amazon. Bargain price.
how have you been screwed by play before?
tempted to get some on amazon then cancel play.
More HP and Pro currently available @ eBuyer.
Edit - Now have 2x Pro and 3x HP - all eBuyer. All that lot and it's still under £300. :shocked:
Ditched play and went for amazon.
I've stuck with Amazon for my 1xPro & 2xHP. Ebuyer is slightly cheaper but I just prefer Amazon plus they won't bill me until October, not that that matters much.
eBuyer aren't billing now, just for payment methods such as google checkout and paypal.
Credit/Debit is payment in October as far as I can tell.
Yes, this has been confirmed now. eBuyer won't be billing until they're in a position to ship product.
excellent. Now do I get a copy of pro as well. Hmmmm £90 for two or £170 for 3 agghhhh what to do.
Or maybe just another copy of HP.
I assume you're talking £90 for two HP there, right. :)
Just the one ordered for me, off Amazon on the credit card so I'll pay December :) Hope it's still possible to install IE8... work mail/citrix and a few random car hire companies still don't like FF.
yeah it's free to install ie8 you just have to download it and save to a disk before installing.
Saving to a USB pen drive would avoid wasting a disk. :)
NokkonWud
15-07-2009, 19:28
Just the one ordered for me, off Amazon on the credit card so I'll pay December :) Hope it's still possible to install IE8... work mail/citrix and a few random car hire companies still don't like FF.
Ever tried the IETab plug-in for Firefox?
Excellent, I'm still going to put aside an entire weekend as I predict a few problems with drivers and the like. And for some reason (possibly that Samsung apparently doesn't like them) my RAID is the most irritating thing to setup, works a treat once it's lasted a few hours but tends to take about 3 windows installs normally. And about 3 low level formats last time to get it lasting more than a week.
I have a USB thing and a couple of portable drives so will try to find major things before I wipe everything. Still it's sods law I'll forget but the housemate does have an ancient machine held together by my spare parts and wireless dongle so should be fine :)
Tempted to grab one of those HP versions to dual boot on my MacBook, but I dunno if I'd actually use it, might be worth it just for the odd game.
Ever tried the IETab plug-in for Firefox?
Interesting, I've installed it and it seems to work so far thanks!
It's good. My online banking requires IE and work uses a SharePoint template that doesn't work very well with Firefox, so I've configured IETab to take over automatically whenever I go to those places.
Anyway, I think 5 licenses is enough for me, so I'm done. It's possible I won't need one or even two of them. I can cancel or sell nearer the time. :)
Anyway, I think 5 licenses is enough for me, so I'm done. It's possible I won't need one or even two of them. I can cancel or sell nearer the time. :)
I thought MS were limited everyone to three? Judging by the google cache page someone posted earlier on?
Edit: Not sure it they were planning on doing it by address, card, name or what really though.
Still umming. I'll probably order a few pro's. You can guarantee that it will be near Vista pricing at retail. Is there going to be no pre-order of Ultimate?
I thought MS were limited everyone to three? Judging by the google cache page someone posted earlier on?
Edit: Not sure it they were planning on doing it by address, card, name or what really though.
Three of each I believe. I've got two Pro and three HP, so it's all good.
Still umming. I'll probably order a few pro's. You can guarantee that it will be near Vista pricing at retail. Is there going to be no pre-order of Ultimate?
Normal RRP is £149 for HP and £220 for Pro, no pre order offer for any other SKUs
None left at Amazon and HP is now £79.99 at Play :(
Best to go for E or N? I know none of them have IE8, and that N doesn't have windows media player...
But what else is there to know?
Just that it's full retail and because it's in Europe, you can't do an upgrade, it needs to be a full format install.
As for the differences, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart is a good chart outlining the main differences.
Cool, just pre-ordered Prof @ £89 so at least I can get a legit copy at the end of the year. :)
Decided to get a 3rd copy of HP while I could. Most places have allready started putting prices up.
However pcworld is still £45/£90
They are going to make a lot of money by lowering the price! I very nearly got all my machines with Vista, thank god I didn't.
Currys will take your money when it is shipped to you. Had to get it from them today as Amazon doesn't like my new address and I got caught up at work yesterday. Since Currys won't take your money yet, I'm assuming PC World will be the same.
pc world, currys, amazon, play will not take money til you ship
ebuyer looks like it will not take money until they ship, unless you use something like Googlecheckout then it will take money.
I expect non will take money till dispatch.
does anybody know what kind of a delay there would be on this being available on MSDN?
I asked our admin but he said there'd be one, but how long he's no idea :(
Both Amazon & Play have used up their allocation and also been removed from the list of resellers on Microsoft's site. Ebuyer are still on there and listing the products at the pre-order price but won't let you actually order it. Looks like it won't be long before supplies dry up completely.
Rightly or wrongly, I'd imagine MS are going to get some stick for this. They did say "while stocks last" but, given that the pre-order window was widely advertised as over three weeks, to run out in days doesn't look very good.
I've actually ordered an extra copy of Pro from Currys today as I'm not sure whether I'm going to want Pro or HP on one particular machine. Whichever I end up not using when the time comes will be sold - possibly at a small profit but that's not my motivation in ordering it.
Looks like quite a few people have been ordering as many as they can from multiple retailers with the express intention of selling them at a profit upon release. That's going to add to the frustration of those who miss out on this offer.
Well I got 2* pro and 3* hp. To be used between myself and my sister.
I would be a liar if I said I wasn't tempted to nab a few more and stuff on ebay at an inflated (but under retail) price.
Not sure whether to get a second copy for my laptop while it's still a good price =/
With it being this price, I would. If the OS lasts a few years then it's a bargain. Set up another pre-order and you can always cancel at a later date or flog it.
Done.
My reasoning was that I'm likely to get a new laptop at some point which will come with Windows 7, but I suppose I could always sell it/flog it. :)
Streeteh
16-07-2009, 22:11
Done.
My reasoning was that I'm likely to get a new laptop at some point which will come with Windows 7, but I suppose I could always sell it/flog it. :)
Even if you use it, as it is full retail the resale price will still be very high. Used retail copies hold their value nearly as well as new copies tbh.
Well of course they do, all you're paying for is a valid licence.
Streeteh
17-07-2009, 00:01
I was purely trying to reinforce your decision
I have Linux on my laptop so that was my decision not to get it. If I do upgrade I'll be getting a Mac anyway.
I'm happy to have got one for my main computer as it's powerful enough to kick's it's arse and I've enjoyed what I've read about Windows 7. :)
I didn't bother ordering myself a copy. I was very close to pushing the button but it then dawned on me that I don't use Windows at home!
Well, I do have a VM on my MacBook that I need to run some specific applications (update for the speed camera detecter and diagnostic software for the car) but Iuse them very occasionally but it's rarely used.
Yeah I still use windows on my desktop - that will never change really as I do like to flit and play the occaisional game (once every 4 months or so :p) so it's nice to have something decent to play it on - making a change to 100% Mac would be too much for me I think - certainly considering I can make a PC for peanuts and you can't build you're own Mac :p
I've ordered a single copy of HP from PC World, the family PC will probably get that and even if it doesn't then it'll get flogged off somewhere.
you can't build you're own Mac :p
True, but if you wanted a home built machine that'll run OS X then that's doable.
Really? And be able to update it etc? and be compatible and work well? Then again if I really wanted a Mac I could easily get a MacMini - though I'd miss the raw power I think....
Yep, it was with a hackintosh (as they're called) that Feek got into OS X.
Ah right yes I had a look, but thought it was only for Dells?
Ahh eeeeeeeinteresting.....
As long as the hardware you use is fairly close to what you'd find in a Mac, then the Hackintosh option is open. This isn't hard to achieve as Apple use just as many standard components as everyone else.
if you still haven't got a copy
http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.206-3928.aspx
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5736623/Trail/searchtext%3EWINDOWS+7.htm
So, anyone any idea what kind of a delay there will be on this hittin MSDN?
Just ordered one of each from tesco. Might flog one of them when it comes to it if I'm feeling poor! Free delivery with tesco too :)
Free delivery with most places isn't it?
Didn't look like it was going to be though, but at checkout it took the £5 off.
They're starting to appear on ebay at enormous prices!
They are still on at PCWorld for £90 and £45!
Amazon is now charging £180 and £75. Come launch time it is only going to go one way.
Well come launch time the RRP will be £80 and £190, so it won't go up that much.
January is when it'll shoot up a bit.
They are still on at PCWorld for £90 and £45!
I wouldn't trust them tbh. They must of sold out.
I can't see people making much money on this.
Not many people buy an OS. Just professionals/enthusiasts. Most of the general public will get it when they upgrade there computer. i can see the market being completely flooded.
And until Jan it's staying at around £70 for HP. People are going to buy them rather than of ebay.
So, anyone any idea what kind of a delay there will be on this hittin MSDN?
Shortly after it RTM's I'd imagine, as per. But we still don't know exactly when that will be, end of August latest I'd say.
http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/07/21/when-will-you-get-windows-7-rtm.aspx
On or shortly after August 6th.
Psymonkee
16-09-2009, 20:02
Epic bump! :D
As I posted earlier in the thread I have 3 on order from Play and 3 on order from Staples. Now having re-checked my finances closer to the time I can only afford 3 copies.
Phoned staples to cancel and they cannot find my order in their system. Not only that but they don't even have an account for me! :(
Useless tbh :/
I'm not very happy with the PC World website. It's crap!
It lets me log in, so my password is accepted there but as soon as I try and do anything regarding my orders and/or my account it asks for the password again. That's fine, but it won't accept it even though I know that it's 100% correct. I just used it to log in, ffs!
I can only assume that whatever they're using isn't intelligent enough to accept a 20 character password with letters, numbers and symbols at that point in the procedure.
*sigh*
Just checked and doing the same for me. It must be borked.
That makes me feel a little better.
Just a quick note of something I spotted for anyone thinking of buying the upgrade version, such as the £30 Student offer:
http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/pages/moving-to-windows-7-faq.aspx
Upgrade versions require Windows XP or Windows Vista to be running on your computer before installing Windows 7. Full versions of Windows 7 don't require a previous version of Windows to be running on your computer. Both upgrade and full versions contain the same features. If you want to format your hard drive when installing Windows 7, you will need the full version. In general, choose the full version of Windows 7 if you don't have a previous version of Windows on your PC. Choose the upgrade version if you have Windows XP or Windows Vista on your PC.
Not a huge in itself, this however would bother me:
Question: What if I need to reinstall Windows 7 and only have an upgrade version?
If for some reason you need to reinstall Windows 7 and have the upgrade version you will be required to install a previous version of Windows before installing Windows 7.
So if you have an upgrade copy and wish to do a reinstall, you'll need to install XP/Vista again first...
*hugs full retail version*
Just a quick note of something I spotted for anyone thinking of buying the upgrade version, such as the £30 Student offer:
http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/pages/moving-to-windows-7-faq.aspx
Not a huge in itself, this however would bother me:
So if you have an upgrade copy and wish to do a reinstall, you'll need to install XP/Vista again first...
*hugs full retail version*
Wasn't that the same that was said about Vista Upgrade?
In the end you could still do a clean install from an Upgrade disc.
I've copped an MSDN key for Windows 7 Ultimate so I want to cancel my order but the broken web site isn't letting me.
Wasn't that the same that was said about Vista Upgrade?
In the end you could still do a clean install from an Upgrade disc.
You can do a clean install with an upgrade and completely remove the previous install (such as if you need to go from 32 to 64 bit, it won't do an upgrade, it will do a clean install) BUT it will only do so from within a prior Windows supposedly, it can't be booted from.
I'm not 100% sure and i've no idea what was said about Vista as I never paid attention to that but from what it says on the blog, it sounds like the upgrade versions could be pretty crippled to me.
Well there's a result.
PC World just called me to say my card had been rejected. Of course it was rejected, it's a pre-payment Mastercard and I get paid tomorrow so there would have been enough on it at the time you're supposed to take the money (ie despatch time) rather than a week in advance!
So I was able to cancel the pre-order that way. I also told them that the website is a bit broken.
Looks like at least some are trying to ship orders out early. They may have just attempted to authorise the payment. Still, you got the result you wanted.
Just noticed I only got two copies of Pro - not the three I thought I'd got. Oh well, I don't think I need a third copy. We'll see.
I received my order today! :cool:
Now to install or not to install...
64 bit or 32 bit.... decisions decisions!!
64bit unless you have a decent reason for going 32bit.
I'm not bothering, RC is running fine, so until I change some hardware or need to reinstall for some reason staying with the RC.
Got 1 copy from pcworld, waiting for another 2 from amazon.
Wow that's early! When from?
Amazon has yet to take money or post it. Not in a huge rush but am getting a bit fed up with amazon's terrible service...
Delivery estimate: 26 Oct 2009 - 28 Oct 2009
Dispatch estimate: 21 Oct 2009
Been running with it since Friday. I got the home 64 bit OEM. It's running sweet.
My two copies of Professional turned up from PC World today.
My copies came in individual brown jiffy bags within one larger white jiffy bag. No shipment/invoice/order slip to be found and the package didn’t appear to be marked from PC World either.
64bit unless you have a decent reason for going 32bit.
I'm not bothering, RC is running fine, so until I change some hardware or need to reinstall for some reason staying with the RC.
Got 1 copy from pcworld, waiting for another 2 from amazon.
Good point, I have a 4gb ram and a 3.1ghz processor, might as well shove 64bit on!
Wow that's early! When from?
Amazon has yet to take money or post it. Not in a huge rush but am getting a bit fed up with amazon's terrible service...
Delivery estimate: 26 Oct 2009 - 28 Oct 2009
Dispatch estimate: 21 Oct 2009
Currys. :)
It seems that a lot of places are shipping early, possibly blaming the postal strikes for their early shipments to make sure they arrive in time. I hope the same happens for Forza 3 :D
Psymonkee
19-10-2009, 19:51
Play shipped my 3 separately. 3 - 5 days delivery though :(
Fingers crossed :)
Can't remember who I ordered from ;D
No word out of eBuyer. I suspect they may have been caught out by other retailers shipping early.
Not that I'm in any rush - I won't be installing them for quite a while, though it would be handy to have the copy I bought for my parents.
Same, nothing from eBuyer, however they use CityLink for everything anyway, so should be totally unaffected by postal strikes, so they'll just be sending as they see fit.
Hmm I haven't received by PCWorld copy yet :(
Been running with it since Friday. I got the home 64 bit OEM. It's running sweet.
No compatability issues? My main reason for waiting was until they got all that fixed, I think my main concern is my gfx card is quite old as I object to paying more than about £50 for one :o
No compatibility issues at all. However this went in a new build that I did so I would expect it to go ok.
One thing that was unexpected is that when you go into my computer, you can seem your hard drives with space allocated. The difference between the RC and the final version is that it shows a new drive called 'System Reserved' Whatever you do do not try and delete or format this :o
Speaking from experience?! ;D
You can stop it doing that - if you really want to...
http://www.shivaranjan.com/2009/05/11/how-to-prevent-windows-7-from-creating-a-hidden-recovery-system-reserved-partition-during-installation/
I'm the type of user that wants to have the partitions I want - not that someone else thinks I should have. I am of course in the significant minority in that respect. :)
Davey_Pitch
20-10-2009, 12:05
I'm the same Mark, I was to control exactly where and how my HDD is split, I don't want it done for me.
Did an install yesterday and inital thoughts are, damn it's quick! But then it is a fresh install... but no issues with it being 64bit either, everything just seems to... work! :eek:
Will have a proper fiddle over the weekend, but so far so good!
Looks pretty too.
Dymetrie
20-10-2009, 13:19
Did an install yesterday and inital thoughts are, damn it's quick! But then it is a fresh install... but no issues with it being 64bit either, everything just seems to... work! :eek:
Will have a proper fiddle over the weekend, but so far so good!
Looks pretty too.
Still runs remarkably quickly on my six month+ old install :)
also, Amazon has dispatched my order via citylink...
I'm the type of user that wants to have the partitions I want - not that someone else thinks I should have. I am of course in the significant minority in that respect. :)
I too jumped through all the hoops to get it installed without the infernal system partition.
My copy of Pro from Currys turned up yesterday morning but haven't done anything with it yet. Three more copies coming from Amazon but god knows when they'll arrive.
All that remains now is to see if the copy of Pro I installed at home nearly a month ago will accept and activate the product key from this copy that turned up yesterday. If it doesn't then I'm going to have to reinstall :(
Amazon just sent it via Home Delivery Network Limited, at least it's not Royal Mail like the other item they just dispatched for me. Imagine I'll get that either Friday or next month.
Thanks for the info Mark, that extra partition would drive me nuts.
So is this emergency partition only 100mb? Does this increase/decrease according to system use etc?
100mb and that's it. It's just enough to boot the Windows 7 recovery features. By not having it, I just assume there's less that it is possible to recover from. I've had Vista recover from failed updates and who knows what else without a recovery partition, so I doubt it's a big deal.
I won't be jumping through no new hoops - I'll just use a Linux LiveCD to prepare the partitions. I've been doing that for the last few years so it won't be anything new. :)
SiD the Turtle
21-10-2009, 07:52
Hi Mark, why do you need to use a Linux boot disk to prepare the partitions? The Windows installer can create and format them as one of the first steps of the install.
So far so good. I haven't had a chance to really spend time with it yet, but it's going to take a little bit of time to get used to it as it does do things a little differently, it scored 6.2 on the performance thingy so that's not bad, but it was the hard drive that pulled everything down although it's a fast HDD... ah well.
It looks pretty and seems pretty good - but it does need a bit of familiarisation and tweaking. I'll do that over the weekend.
eBuyer just emailed to confirm it was being shipped and will arrive on Wed 22nd July 2009. Excellent work there, so fast they're actually delivering it to me in the past.
NokkonWud
21-10-2009, 13:34
I take it no one has had theirs arrive from Play yet? Mine were shipped on Monday.
I hate Play and only use them when there are no other alternatives (and that night eBuyer was timing out for me left, right and center :().
eBuyer just emailed to confirm it was being shipped and will arrive on Wed 22nd July 2009. Excellent work there, so fast they're actually delivering it to me in the past.
Still no word on mine but I'm a cheapskate and selected super saver delivery as I don't really care when it arrives, as long as it does. :)
Psymonkee
21-10-2009, 13:53
I take it no one has had theirs arrive from Play yet? Mine were shipped on Monday.
I hate Play and only use them when there are no other alternatives (and that night eBuyer was timing out for me left, right and center :().
Same bud, shipped Monday still no sign of them.
Bloody pigeons would be faster :/
Still no word on mine but I'm a cheapskate and selected super saver delivery as I don't really care when it arrives, as long as it does. :)
Same here, super saver delivery.
And shipped. Via UPS. RM can go play. :)
Streeteh
21-10-2009, 18:18
Recieved mine from Amazon today, super saver delivery ftw :p
eBuyer just emailed to confirm it was being shipped and will arrive on Wed 22nd July 2009. Excellent work there, so fast they're actually delivering it to me in the past.
Ditto ;D
Now who did I order the other ones from? :o
edit: oh I remember now, tesco!
Dymetrie
21-10-2009, 19:49
I are can has Windows 7?
Delivered this morning at 9am by ****tylink :)
Good job Mrs Dym was at home to receive delivery!
Hmmm, mine is currently in a depot.
However, the Windows 7 advisdar says I need to install a 32-bit version of windows 7 and reinstall my programs, also says my 512gb graphics card can't hack Aero, my on-board sound may not work, and neither will citrix, zonealarm (no bad thing) and Nero. Apparently I need 3gb or RAM to run the XP mode too. DDR3200 :s
Anyone got theirs from Play yet? Someone on another forum I use received an upgrade copy, not a retail one.
What's in your system?
2.2ghz X2 (or the one before), 2gb ram, geforce 7600GS I think.
Just got this:
"22/10/2009 10:33:00 CUSTOMER The parcel has been delivered The parcel has been left in a secure location at the front of the property"
Sounds slightly more promising than having drop kicked it over to the back garden, (asked housemate to leave porch ajar), have to wait and see :s
Well, given you only have 2GB RAM, then using 64 or 32 bit is largely moot. If you went with 64 it gives room to drop in another 2GB easily but 2GB of PC3200 DDR isn't going to be easy to come by or cheap any more.
7600GS isn't the strongest of cards but considering a netbook can manage, i'd be surprised if that couldn't.
Onboard sound will be motherboard dependant, my Parents PC with A64 nForce 4 is fine though.
Well I've got a card from citylink saying they tried to deliver. 20 mins after I left wor work, oh well :) Looks like that's the tesco one (2 copies) as ebuyer tracker is from UPS.
Well, eBuyer are using UPS for mine, but then it's 5 copies, so that might be different for you. :)
eBuyer said UPS here too.
Was shoved on a van at 6am supposedly, still awaiting its arrival.
Well I have a 64bit chip :s Think I got the last lot off of ebay, problem is now it's this rare price goes up like the old pci gfx cards. I guess i'll give it a try and see what happens - probably post sorting the holiday though.
Don't you all wish these companies would advise on the courier a little earlier?! I'd have used my work address if I knew it wasn't going to be RM.
As I've said before, I'll probably not be installing for a while (bought for cheapness, not urgency), but when I do, I'll have a bit of a dilemma.
On my laptop, I've got 4GB, and a 64-bit capable processor, so 32-bit or 64-bit? Not as easy as you'd think.
32-bit works with everything I want it to work with, but only gives me access to 3.2GB RAM.
64-bit might have some compatibility issues with the old (circa 1997) developer tools I sometimes need to use, and 64-bit apps are almost always bigger than 32-bit (for obvious reasons), so will that 0.8GB extra actually be worth having?
The difference with Vista wasn't clear-cut, and someone I know tried both and preferred 32-bit, on the same hardware I've got.
Well I have a 64bit chip :s
Which enables 64 bit to work, however you'll barely see any benefit to doing so.
You'll be able to maybe execute 64 bit instructions in applications that account for it and so on but if you weren't told something was quicker due to 64 bit, you probably wouldn't notice it yourself.
The biggest reason for most people to go 64 is to avoid the 32bit RAM cap that prevents Windows accessing more than typically around 3.25GB of RAM.
The 100MB partition has always been there in W7. It's just that most of the time it's hidden. On one system it is hidden on anotehr system it's not. No idea why. But just leave it, it's so small.
64bit has many benefits, however pretty much all are under the hood and you wont notice.
32bit can only see 4GB of ram. This includes any gfx card ram, mobo ram, and any memory on anything else.
everyone should be going 64bit unless they have a good reason not to. Gfx card drivers should not be a problem unless it's very very old.
http://www.ouroboros.me.uk/img/09/10/Win7.jpg
That's one for the laptop (Pro), one for my next main PC build (Pro), one for my parents (Home), and two spare copies of Home that I haven't decided what to do with yet. Can always sell 'em.
My amazon order came this afternoon and it's on. Did a clean install and just getting back how I like.
Also, what happened to the whole EU forced browser choice shenanigans?
Got normal post today. But Amazon decided to use a carrier. DHL :( grr I hate carriers. they never drop anything through the letetr box, then you have to drive miles to the collection centre.
The good news... I had a home delivery network parcel. Was put in porch out of sight AND they then closed and locked the porch door!
However it contains a seperate amazon order worth about £36. Windows 7 is where? The other order was just meant to be shipped via RM with no tracking number.
It does SAY RM 2nd class on the box, but where is my £90 purchase amazon?
Just got my citylink parcel, was indeed Tesco, so now have one pro and one home. I know the driver from years back and he was asking what it was as he'd had loads to deliver today so I opened it there and we had a nose :)
Got home from work and UPS had tried to deliver. Going to pick that one up tomoz.
I too have a dilemma. My Dell PC (main one) is getting on a bit, but looks like the only issue will be can't run Aero (whatever that is).
My HCPC is a much never setup and probably will run everything (not tried the tester thing on it yet).
I'd swap the innards over in the cases apart from I seriouly doubt the dell innards are ATX compatible...
Hmm.
Aero is the fancy graphics. Win7 works fine without but I'll admit it doesn't look anywhere near as pretty. I use Aero stuff more than I realise. Needs a graphics card upgrade to fix that.
Parents PC has the same problem - and it's a Dell with no graphics upgrade option so going to have to break that one to them. They're on XP currently though so no big deal.
Almost 31 minutes on the phone to amazon and I have a new order for Windows 7. They apparently don't want the DVD I got back either. Be interesting to see what arrives next Wednesday.
Bloke at work said he has Win7 Beta running on a £250 dell server, on-board graphics and all and it works fine. Think it's got about 1-2gb of ram and a 'reasonable' processor. He just uses it for downloads and backups though.
looks like the only issue will be can't run Aero (whatever that is).
Basically you don't get all the pretty see through stuff afaik, same style but opaque.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/richyj/aero.jpg
Affects task switching and various other effects too. Nothing major. Just annoying when you're used to seeing 'live' views with Alt+Tab and they don't work. Oh, and Windows+Tab is pure Aero and doesn't work at all without.
I wasn't sure if the switching stuff and window shaking etc. got turned off or not as I figured they weren't as graphically intensive, despite all being grouped under the aero banner.
Definitely looking like I'll have to use the HTPC innards then for my main comp with 7 Pro. Hmm, what to use as the HCPC (with 7 home...)
Hmm, both PCs have the same warning about Aero. Ah well, the HCPC is much newer so going to bite the bullet and put it back in my old tower case.
Got the ebuyer copy at lunchtime today so that's all of them. Now what to do with them...
What graphics does the HCPC have?
Main PC has Nvidea 7600GT with 256mb and HCPC Has Radeon HD4670 with 512mb (have only just checked) so not really sure what I'm missing?
Bad drivers. Ignore it and install new drivers afterwards. It'll be fine. Windows 7 upgrade doesn't like the ATI drivers IIRC.
Not sure about the 760GT. That might work too.
I love my copy of W7, it's absolutely ace but it's only the test version, just waiting for a decent precracked copy to come up on usenet or torrent. *fingers crossed*
Ok cool :) Ta!
Got the cases switched over and a 160gb drive in, time to try it :evil:
Davey_Pitch
23-10-2009, 21:14
I've just run the upgrade checker thing and it says my graphics adapter doesn't support Aero, which seems odd considering it's a 256MB 8800 GTS, which I would have thought would be more than capable :/
As Mark said, it looks like the checker is a bit poo. On Windows 7 now :cool: and it looks like it works on mine out the box :)
Did a quick WIE on the fresh install:
Processor: 6.1
RAM 6.1
Aero Graphics 6.8
Gaming Graphics 6.8
HDD 5.2 (not a suprise, the drive I'm trying is ancient!)
Basic spec is Dual core 2.6 with 4gb 1600 DDR3 and a Radeon HD4670 512mb GDDR3.
edit: after installing all available updates, no change to the score.
Ignore the upgrade checker graphics stuff. Unless your card is ancient (i.e. older than 2005), it'll almost certainly work.
Aero Graphics 6.8
Gaming Graphics 6.8
Radeon HD4670 512mb GDDR3
Either they changed the grading in the final release or something funny is going on as my GTX260 only gets 6.3 but is a far superior gaming card to a 4670, more on par with the 4870.
LeperousDust
24-10-2009, 06:49
Love it just downloaded my student copy, its some silly exe file obviously, but its easy enough to make it an iso, and or put it on a flash drive. More importantly its just as easy to use an upgrade disc to install fresh as a retail disc. £30 = Bargain!
Either they changed the grading in the final release or something funny is going on as my GTX260 only gets 6.3 but is a far superior gaming card to a 4670, more on par with the 4870.
I bought it as a silent card for dvds etc so yeah quite suprised too ;D
Love it just downloaded my student copy, its some silly exe file obviously, but its easy enough to make it an iso, and or put it on a flash drive. More importantly its just as easy to use an upgrade disc to install fresh as a retail disc. £30 = Bargain!
It seems the student copies are actually retail ones anyway after all.
I know of a couple of people who have used an upgrade version and done a format/install and then had it refuse to activate saying they only have an upgrade serial.
Where is the cheapest place to get Windows 7 atm? Why should I chose ultimate over HP?
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