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What a great end to a **** week.. Worst week followed by the best ever charts..
Rage Against the Machine - Killing in the Name 2009 Christmas number 1
My neighbours are going to be complaining, main speakers fired up.
Congrats Sony surely?
With the two singles, it gave them a 65.6% share of single market this month.
Can't get better marketing than that really!
Stan_Lite
20-12-2009, 20:10
Not entirely sure what all the excitement is. The power of the internet has managed to get a sh*t single to #1 in place of another sh*t single - big deal.
I'm pretty sure everybody who wanted to buy the X factor single still bought it anyway - probably more. As Haly says, the main winners here are Sony. I wonder how proud everybody who participated in this childish farce feels, knowing they have lined the pockets of Sony.
Pumpkinstew
20-12-2009, 20:10
I know you're excited but I'm certain it's still 2009.
Better luck next year Joe.
yes I'm excited. Rage is a great song and a classic..
It was never about the money, everyone knew from the start both were on sony, but yes sony will be loving it. It also was never about stopping people buy Joes.
I wonder how proud everybody who participated in this childish farce feels, knowing they have lined the pockets of Sony.
It's smeg all to do with money as far as I'm concerned, it's to do with not having some piece of absolute manufactured crap at number one for the xth year on the trot at Christmas.
LMF and I just grooved to a cover of Killing In The Name on Guitar Hero :D
I was one of those childish people who bought the single and I did so because I love the song anyway - if it had been some pap against xfactor guy I'd have just ignored it like I normally do.
As an aside Rage got the number 1 with 500k sold - didn't it use to be millions sold to get to number 1?
Del Lardo
20-12-2009, 20:28
I wonder how proud everybody who participated in this childish farce feels, knowing they have lined the pockets of Sony.
I am very proud that Rage is number 1 rather than another year of bland x-factor based ****eness.
So what if Sony have made another few £million. How much do you think Boots or John Lewis have made in the last week? We live in a Capitalist society so popular items (be it a toy or a song) are going to make the company who own them a lot of money, especially around Christmas.
Stan_Lite
20-12-2009, 20:32
What's the difference. I can't see any. Either a manufactured act being at #1 or a mediocre minor hit from the 90s being #1 simply because some malcontent chose it at random and declared it as an alternative.
To my thinking, probably 90% of the people who bought the X Factor single bought it because they like it and 90% of the people who bought the "alternative" single bought it as a protest. How many of the people who bought the RATM single would have bought it if it hadn't been the "protest" song?
I couldn't care less but, if pushed I would say that I'd rather the #1 song was a song that people bought because they like it rather than because they think they're making a statement.
SidewinderINC
20-12-2009, 20:32
As an aside Rage got the number 1 with 500k sold - didn't it use to be millions sold to get to number 1?
From the BBC article that's just popped up.
The last big Christmas battle on a similar scale was between the Spice Girls' Goodbye and South Park character Chef's Chocolate Salty Balls in 1998. The Spice Girls won with 380,000 to their rival's 375,000.
I was one of the childish people too, for all the reasons mentioned above. I couldn't care less about how much money sony have made out of it.
Del Lardo
20-12-2009, 20:40
What's the difference. I can't see any. Either a manufactured act being at #1 or a mediocre minor hit from the 90s being #1 simply because some malcontent chose it at random and declared it as an alternative.
To my thinking, probably 90% of the people who bought the X Factor single bought it because they like it and 90% of the people who bought the "alternative" single bought it as a protest. How many of the people who bought the RATM single would have bought it if it hadn't been the "protest" song?
I couldn't care less but, if pushed I would say that I'd rather the #1 song was a song that people bought because they like it rather than because they think they're making a statement.
For the last few years X-Factor has been guaranteed a number 1 because there has been no viable alternative or effectively a 'No' vote. I honestly despise X-Factor because of the generic bland crap that it produces (I am happy to admit that some of the singers have talent but the songs they are gives are gubbins) and as a result I was wanted to hand over my 79p so a song that I prefer and had a realistic chance of getting to number 1 could beat it.
You didn't like either so you voted with your wallet and didn't buy either. I voted with my wallet and purchased the song that I liked. Isn't free choice a wonderful thing ;)
How many of the people who bought the RATM single would have bought it if it hadn't been the "protest" song?
I wouldn't have done because I already own the album it's from. I haven't bought a single for years but I like the tune and I don't have a problem with helping to stick one to Simon Cowell which is why I bought it again for the princely sum of 29p.
Shelter have been given nearly £70,000 due to the efforts by us RATM fans. Thats the difference. Real music won the day and the profits went to a good cause. Didn't hear Cowell offering to donate his profits to Shelter.
It's nothing to do with Sony, record labels or individuals... it's about having a decent bit of music occupying the #1 spot and not the recent 'guaranteed assumption' of an x-factor winner taking the christmas spot.
In addition - it's a 'power to the people' type story which gives many a great feeling of satisfaction as well as raising many many thousands of pounds to a worthy charity this time of year :D WIN!
It's a victory for real music and real musicians. I missed exactly why the song was chosen, but presumably because of the "**** you I won't do (buy) what you tell me" lyric. Although Em pointed out people were buying RATM because people told them to so a tad ironic there ;)
29p well spent IMO, and with a bit of (rose tinted) luck hopefully it will be the beginning of the end of tat like x factor :)
LMF and I just grooved to a cover of Killing In The Name on Guitar Hero :D
I only know of this song because of GH :p
And the band played it on friday night :cool:
Poor Joe :(
BB x
I haven't heard either song, so it would be unfair of me to critique either.
However, no offence intended, the phrase 'so what' crossed my mind. Do the charts really mean anything now? When #1 comes down to who shouts loudest on Twitter/Facebook then I think it's game over for the charts.
Having said that, I see it as a good thing that two fingers may have been shown to Mr. Cowell. Not that he cares as I'm sure he's rolling in money whatever happens.
Since downloading was introduced as a contributor of the chart, I really haven't taken notice or have been bothered by it.
May have something to do with getting older, but the chart doesn't mean as much to me as it did before.
BB x
I deleted all my illegal music the other month so would of purchased it soon anyway. Nearly all the people who purchased rage also love the song. I don't think you realise just how big and popular they are with a statement like a minor hit.
We will have to wait and see if this has changed anything. Over the last couple of years, no one has released songs at Christmas as x-factor has been guaranteed. even record labels have said this. Maybe next year we will have some other bands releasing music at Christmas.
Simon cowell wont care. But rage has got loads of air time on radio this past week and it's been great.
everyone says Joe has a grea voice, but his cover was awful and so much worse than Miley Cyrus version. Maybe he has got a good voice and that song didn't suite him (but I don't watch x-factor). But he only had a chance at number one due to x-factor campaign. It is no different to an internet campaign. Expect the budget and PR resources of x-factor.
I dont even think Joe had a good voice, he doesnt even look the part of a popstar.
Am so glad the cycle has been broken, ok it may not be a permanent thing, but it just goes to show, the X Factor single isnt always going to hit the top spot :)
To true..
I think this is a very good balanced article on the reason and choice
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20091220/ten-web-crusade-stops-british-christmas-a56114e.html
Rage Against the Machine vocalist Zack de la Rocha told BBC radio: "We are very ecstatic and excited about the song reaching number one.
"It says more about the spontaneous action taken by young people throughout the UK to topple this very sterile pop monopoly and less about the song and the band. We are very proud to have had the song chosen as the vehicle by which to do this."
McElderry, 18, said: "Fair play to the guys who have organised the Facebook campaign -- it's been exciting to be part of a much-hyped battle."
He added: "This time last year I never thought for one minute that I'd win 'The X Factor', never mind about having a debut single out, so I'm just delighted to be in the charts."
Pop mogul Simon Cowell, the main force behind 'The X Factor', said: "I am gutted for Joe because a number one single meant a lot to him."
However, Cowell kept a hold on the album chart as Scottish singer Susan Boyle's debut "I Dreamed A Dream" remained at the top spot for a fourth straight week.
"This is a truly remarkable outcome -- possibly the greatest chart upset ever," said Gennaro Castaldo, spokesman for high street retailer HMV.
"This is all about the stunning impact of the Rage Against The Machine Internet campaign in galvanising music fans to protest against the dominance of the reality show in recent years.
"Rage Against The Machine may not be the ideal expression of the Christmas spirit -- and many people will have preferred a more appropriate song to top the festive charts, but their anti-corporate message proved a perfect vehicle through which to register such a powerful protest."
Stan_Lite
21-12-2009, 00:10
I don't think you realise just how big and popular they are with a statement like a minor hit.
I would consider #25 in 1992 a minor hit.
No.1 in 2009. Major hit :p
I would consider #25 in 1992 a minor hit.
several platinum cds, sale out gigs around the world, head liners at the biggest festivals. Millions upon millions of sales and multiple songs and albums in the charts around the world.
A song that has been purchased and listened to by millions for 17 years.
A minor hit is forgotten about after a few weeks. Not listened to and still selling after 15 years, especially considering its genre
As an aside Rage got the number 1 with 500k sold - didn't it use to be millions sold to get to number 1?
At times, but I think for the most part it's generally a myth. Only 21 singles have ever broken the 10 million mark too, globally!
I've been doing some digging around trying to get some official figures but can't find any. Some tidbits bits of of related trivia that popped up:
Wham's "Last Christmas" was held off the top spot by Band Aid's huge sales in 1984. Almost any other week it would have easily topped the chart, selling half a million copies in that week alone. It went on to sell 1.42 million copies.
So even in 1984 we were still only on the 500,000 copies level to 'easily' top the chart.
Biggest-selling single to peak at number 4 is Robbie Williams' "Angels". It shipped a million copies to the shops and sold in excess of 864,000. - Though it's not clear whether they mean that 864k is for the first week it was sold in or not. If it did I'm curious to see what it was up against!
From wikipedia on fastest selling singles:
The record is held by Elton John with "Candle In The Wind 1997" which sold 1.55 million copies in its first week (it sold 658,000 on the first day of release, 13 September 1997). It is also the biggest selling single in the UK as well as the fastest selling. "Candle In The Wind 1997" is also the biggest selling single in the world (37m copies) and the fastest selling single in many other countries also - it went platinum (sold a million copies) in 24 hours in the US. Elton outsold Dario G's 'Sunchyme' by a clear margin, and this is the biggest ratio between #1 and #2 to date. Dario G sold 85,000 to hit the #2 slot that week.
The fastest selling debut single is "Anything is Possible/Evergreen" by Will Young. It sold 1.11 million copies in its first week of sale. Massive publicity had built up in his single due to Pop Idol and the massive phone vote of 8.7 million people phoning in the final showed how popular the show was, with him himself receiving over 4 million votes. He is one of the few people to receive longstanding and great success from a talent show in the UK.[citation needed]
The fastest selling single from a group (and also fastest selling debut from a group) is Hear'Say's debut single, "Pure And Simple". Winning ITV's first series of Popstars, massive interest in the group had built up and their debut single proved to be incredibly successful, selling 0.55 million copies in its first week. This is only true if we discount Band Aid from being classified as a group whose single "Do They Know It's Christmas?" sold 0.75 million copies in its first week due to the pictures shown of the distressing famine in Ethiopia
Honestly all just leads me to think 'millions' was a myth.
NokkonWud
21-12-2009, 00:30
Shelter have been given nearly £70,000 due to the efforts by us RATM fans. Thats the difference. Real music won the day and the profits went to a good cause. Didn't hear Cowell offering to donate his profits to Shelter.
Very true.
Knipples
21-12-2009, 08:08
Am not sticking up for either side because I think Shelter is a fantastic cause, but The X factor finalists had that song by Michael Jackson out where all the proceeds were going to Great Ormond Street.
Stan_Lite
21-12-2009, 09:11
No.1 in 2009. Major hit :p
several platinum cds, sale out gigs around the world, head liners at the biggest festivals. Millions upon millions of sales and multiple songs and albums in the charts around the world.
A song that has been purchased and listened to by millions for 17 years.
A minor hit is forgotten about after a few weeks. Not listened to and still selling after 15 years, especially considering its genre
What I was trying to say was that, when the song was first released as a single, comparatively few people bought it. The point is largely irrelevant anyway as it wasn't the main thrust of my argument.
My main point is that, the RATM single only got to where it is this week because people wanted to "stick it to da man". Now that that has been achieved, RATM will slowly slide back into relative obscurity and Joe McElderry will continue to enjoy success. Joe McElderry and all the previous X Factor winners enjoy success because more of the people who buy records want to listen to the bland pap they churn out than acts like RATM - that's an indisputable fact.
What has happened this weekend isn't a victory for proper music over manufactured mediocrity, it's the internet flexing it's muscles and proving that, with a highly concentrated effort, it can affect the charts. It is in no way sustainable and within a matter of weeks, everything will be back to the way it was and we'll have the same crap populating the charts we usually do - because that's what the people who buy music want.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of "proper" music and can't stand most of the stuff that's been in the charts for many years now. Unfortunately, the charts are generated by the music people actually buy and, as long as more people want to buy the bland offerings in the charts, that's what will be there. That's why I refuse to get excited about this week's "victory". It will be a short term blip and normal service will be resumed shortly. You won't change what people want to buy by synthetically massaging the charts for a week - the status quo will resume next week.
Kudos to RATM for donating the proceeds to Shelter - a very worthy cause. Hopefully, this exercise will at least mean that a few homeless people will be able to spend Christmas a bit more comfortably than they would have and a few may be given the opportunity to get off the streets for good.
Oooh Status Quo - good choice Stan! :D
I didn't buy anything (I seldom actually buy music - most of the stuff I like and have is not modern and I already own it) and don't particularly care about the politics behind it. However I do like the RATM song (I have the album at home as well - kinda like their stuff, if I'm in the right mood for it).
However, I can't stand Xfactor and all this rubbish manfactured tripe with talentless people who only win through popularity rather than skill (I'm not saying I'm right or this is fact, this is just how I feel, an opinion.) I find all these "talent" contest dire...
I kind a like that people had a rise against it, I find it kinda funny. I never pay attention to the charts or who is Christmas #1 as I don't give a fig about it. However, purely through my evil, vitriolic and nasty personal ways I like the fact that the xfactor chap didn't win. None of them really have careers, let's face it, they do it for 15 mins of fame, Simon Cowell makes a huge amount of money (good on him, why not he's a business man, that's all he's interested in. He doesn't really care if they have talent as long as it brings him big bucks).
However, I like how people have got together and changed what was due to be a predictable outcome. Power to the people and all that. I like a bit of anarchy or a bit of ruffling of feathers. Controversy makes me happy - sheep-like behaviour bores me.
Anyway who really cares about the charts anyway?! ::/: :dunno:
Stan_Lite
21-12-2009, 09:43
Oooh Status Quo - good choice Stan! :D
:cool:
sheep-like behaviour bores me.
You mean behaviour like half a million of people buying a record they probably wouldn't have bought because Facebook told them to? ;)
My main point is that, the RATM single only got to where it is this week because people wanted to "stick it to da man". Now that that has been achieved, RATM will slowly slide back into relative obscurity and Joe McElderry will continue to enjoy success. Joe McElderry and all the previous X Factor winners enjoy success because more of the people who buy records want to listen to the bland pap they churn out than acts like RATM - that's an indisputable fact.
and how many people would of bought Joes single with out 12 weeks of prime time x-factor. Facebook is marketing and no different to x-factor or any other media platform. Nearly everyone who bought RATM like RATM. As I said I doubt it'll make any difference but we will have to wait till next year to find out if any other artists release records that week. Without advertising, metal and rock fans would of been buying loads of different artists. The campaign and lets face it far less advertising and PR than x-factor meant rock and metal fans purchased one band. Absolutely no different to x-facor or tv adverts.
And when you say success? 2 previous winners have been ditched by their labels within a few weeks of there first album.
It has achieved some records though
"Killing In The Name" is the first download-only Christmas number one, and achieved the biggest download sales total in a first week ever in the British charts.
It's also great for the music industry, people have now realised how easy it is to buy mp3s and have found out low kbps and drm are a thing of he past.
Anyway who really cares about the charts anyway?! ::/: :dunno:
:thumbup:
You mean behaviour like half a million of people buying a record they probably wouldn't have bought because Facebook told them to? ;)
My thoughts exactly. The ironing!
I'm still gutted I couldn't find the Jedward Christmas single :(
You mean behaviour like half a million of people buying a record they probably wouldn't have bought because Facebook told them to? ;)
Exactly. It's so ironic that the people against the xfactor are also just blindly following this other "fad" - it's just so "yawn".
What would have been better is if they started a band and that people actually bought the music because they..... actually LIKED the music?!!! :shocked: No way!!!!! ;D
*shrugs* Bought a song I like. Donated money to charity. Helped make a point that X-Factor sucks. Not entirely sure what the issue is there.
Oh noes I did something because someone said something and I agreed with it. Hells bells! You know, if someone clever could only harness that idea and put it to good use. You could even use it to sell things. I'd like to call them whizborts. We could have breaks in tv shows where whizborts were shown. I'm going to go call Apple and tell them to make thousands of whizborts. They need all the help they can in selling that iPhone thing they made. I'm sure no-ones heard of it. But then really, who's going to buy that just because it appears to be something they're interested in? *chuh* Whizbort fail.
If someone made something called a 'Whizbort', I'd buy ten.
One other good thing came of the campaign - I'd heard of RATM but never listened to their stuff, and having bought the single I'm going to listen to some more now.
Del Lardo
21-12-2009, 10:40
*shrugs* Bought a song I like. Donated money to charity. Helped make a point that X-Factor sucks. Not entirely sure what the issue is there.
Oh noes I did something because someone said something and I agreed with it. Hells bells! You know, if someone clever could only harness that idea and put it to good use. You could even use it to sell things. I'd like to call them whizborts. We could have breaks in tv shows where whizborts were shown. I'm going to go call Apple and tell them to make thousands of whizborts. They need all the help they can in selling that iPhone thing they made. I'm sure no-ones heard of it. But then really, who's going to buy that just because it appears to be something they're interested in? *chuh* Whizbort fail.
;D
*shrugs* Bought a song I like. Donated money to charity. Helped make a point that X-Factor sucks. Not entirely sure what the issue is there.
Oh noes I did something because someone said something and I agreed with it. Hells bells! You know, if someone clever could only harness that idea and put it to good use. You could even use it to sell things. I'd like to call them whizborts. We could have breaks in tv shows where whizborts were shown. I'm going to go call Apple and tell them to make thousands of whizborts. They need all the help they can in selling that iPhone thing they made. I'm sure no-ones heard of it. But then really, who's going to buy that just because it appears to be something they're interested in? *chuh* Whizbort fail.
Of course there will be people that bought it because they thought "woah, that's a cool song, I don't care about the campaign and I'm just buying it because I missed it the first time around and I really like it!". :)
However I reckon the majority of people probably didn't and just did it "because"... I may be wrong of course.
RATM are a good band though :cool:
Stan_Lite
21-12-2009, 11:00
*shrugs* Bought a song I like. Donated money to charity. Helped make a point that X-Factor sucks. Not entirely sure what the issue is there.
Oh noes I did something because someone said something and I agreed with it. Hells bells! You know, if someone clever could only harness that idea and put it to good use. You could even use it to sell things. I'd like to call them whizborts. We could have breaks in tv shows where whizborts were shown. I'm going to go call Apple and tell them to make thousands of whizborts. They need all the help they can in selling that iPhone thing they made. I'm sure no-ones heard of it. But then really, who's going to buy that just because it appears to be something they're interested in? *chuh* Whizbort fail.
Oh no - sarcasm. That'll teach me to voice my opinion :(
You seem to be missing my point. My beef isn't with people who bought the song because they like it - I'm delighted that people may have found something they like that they may not have known of before. My beef is with the people who are gloating that they "stuck it to the man". They did nothing of the sort, they participated in a campaign to prevent the X Factor winner from having the Christmas number one. They succeeded in their aim but they in no way made any significant difference that will change what people listen to or buy. People will still continue to buy the same crud once this is all forgotten about in a week or two.
Come on though Stan, would you rather listen to a pretty boy, slightly camp, with an average voice singing a **** song, or a decent band that you can shake your head to? :D
Oh noes a sarcastic response to my sarcasm. That'll teach me to market the idea of whizborts :p
I dunno though. Without the Facebook campaign Joe would surely have won as with previous years. He didn't. The man has been stucked to. Ok so its not exactly going to solve the global warming issue or immigration or help us find Osama's bin lid but for one day at least someone else made a difference at Xmas.
If you followed any of the facebook groups. Most people liked the song and have done for years. Very very few people said they purchased it even though they disliked it.
RATM are one of those universally liked bands. If you like metal/rock you will almost certainly like RATM and is played in such clubs on a weekly basis.
You will always get hangers on, but I would say the majority do actually like the song.
even those bookies like it despite losing £1million between them. As bets for x-mas number one over the last few years has been non existent. They are hopping, like most of the music industry that next year, serious contenders will release that week, there's a good chance someone will after this year.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/21/charlie-brooker-rage-against-the-machine
:D
I love the idea of there being 5 or even 10 artists that hold back and all compete for the Christmas Number 1! :D
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/21/charlie-brooker-rage-against-the-machine
:D
it'll be precisely the shot in the arm the charts have been sorely lacking the last few years: something that puts a genuine smile on the face of millions of people; sensitive people, thoughtful people; people alienated by the stifling cloud of grinning mechanical pap farted into their faces on a weekly basis by cocky, clattering, calculating talent shows such as X Factor.
It would give these people hope. Maybe only in a very small and silly way, but still: a tiny spoonful of hope. And what could be more Christmassy than that?
:D
Stan_Lite
21-12-2009, 11:30
Oh noes a sarcastic response to my sarcasm. That'll teach me to market the idea of whizborts :p
Your irony detector is functioning then :D
In that case, the irony of half a million people buying a record because it has been hyped in order to topple another record that has been hyped won't have escaped you.
If you followed any of the facebook groups. Most people liked the song and have done for years. Very very few people said they purchased it even though they disliked it.
How many of the 500,000 people who bought the song posted in these groups? Do you think the Facebook groups are representative of everybody who bought the track?
RATM are one of those universally liked bands. If you like metal/rock you will almost certainly like RATM and is played in such clubs on a weekly basis.
That's a relatively niche market though. There are many more people who, under normal circumstances, will buy mainstream stuff like the X Factor acts. The fact remains that this weeks chart has been synthetically manipulated and is in no way representative of normal buying patterns.
even those bookies like it despite losing £1million between them. As bets for x-mas number one over the last few years has been non existent. They are hopping, like most of the music industry that next year, serious contenders will release that week, there's a good chance someone will after this year.
I would be absolutely delighted if this result encouraged artists to release more palatable music and encouraged more people to buy good music. Sadly, I don't hold out much hope. The people who buy music in the quantities that affect the charts like to buy the bland crooning churned out by X Factor type artists. I fear things won't change in a hurry.
Come on though Stan, would you rather listen to a pretty boy, slightly camp, with an average voice singing a **** song, or a decent band that you can shake your head to? :D
Having listened to both songs once, I have no particular desire to listen to either again :p
How many of the 500,000 people who bought the song posted in these groups? Do you think the Facebook groups are representative of everybody who bought the track?
over 900k signed up and 10's of thousands posted, with many more thousands who did not post changed their face book status.
That's a relatively niche market though. There are many more people who, under normal circumstances, will buy mainstream stuff like the X Factor acts. The fact remains that this weeks chart has been synthetically manipulated and is in no way representative of normal buying patterns.
A niche market? It is a very large market. However it is not played on main stream radio and is hardly ever advertised on tv. Despite this, numerous metal songs have made it in the top 40. It is a massive sector.
Yes it has been manipulated, just like it has been manipulated for at least the last 4 years. 12 weeks of prime time manipulation, is no diffrent to facebook manipulation.
I would be absolutely delighted if this result encouraged artists to release more palatable music and encouraged more people to buy good music. Sadly, I don't hold out much hope. The people who buy music in the quantities that affect the charts like to buy the bland crooning churned out by X Factor type artists. I fear things won't change in a hurry.
I agree it won't change anything. However it has shown that x-factor can be beaten and due to that I find it highly likely some one will release something next year. As it's great publicity.
Stan_Lite
21-12-2009, 11:59
over 900k signed up and 10's of thousands posted, with many more thousands who did not post changed their face book status.
Fair enough.
A niche market? It is a very large market. However it is not played on main stream radio and is hardly ever advertised on tv. Despite this, numerous metal songs have made it in the top 40. It is a massive sector.
I did say relatively niche. The market share of metal/rock music is relatively small compared to the huge market for mainstream pop.
Yes it has been manipulated, just like it has been manipulated for at least the last 4 years. 12 weeks of prime time manipulation, is no diffrent to facebook manipulation.
My point exactly :)
I did say relatively niche. The market share of metal/rock music is relatively small compared to the huge market for mainstream pop.
I'm not so sure. Rock/metal is spread out over a huge number of bands. Where pop only seems to have a few artists at a time, which are high profile with massive PR and advert campaigns. It would be interesting to see some sale figures. You may well be right.
I wish 'Mr Hanky, the Christmas poo' was #1.
I wish 'Mr Hanky, the Christmas poo' was #1.
Number two, surely? ;D
*loves south park and all toilet humour*
Your irony detector is functioning then :D
In that case, the irony of half a million people buying a record because it has been hyped in order to topple another record that has been hyped won't have escaped you.
Yes yes yes and the lyrics are "I won't do what you tell me" which I'm surprised no-ones been jumping up n down about in the thread yet :p I know why I bought it. I know why my friends bought it, same reason as me. So not every single person fits into that stereotype. I'm still waiting for someone to bitch about it not being xmasy enough too :p
Zach De La Rocha's beard is too dark to be Santa'ish! :p
Pumpkinstew
21-12-2009, 14:15
I wish 'Mr Hanky, the Christmas poo' was #1.
There's always next year. Start a Facebook group around the middle of November and see how it goes.
Of course lots of other people will probably do the same. You'll probably need some way of whittling all the Facebook group contenders down. Some sort of 12 week rolling elimination system would probably do it.
There's always next year. Start a Facebook group around the middle of November and see how it goes.
Of course lots of other people will probably do the same. You'll probably need some way of whittling all the Facebook group contenders down. Some sort of 12 week rolling elimination system would probably do it.
I really, really, don't care enough!
I just heard that song though, it's not really very Christmassy, is it? :(
Oh and..
clicky (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1237461/Simon-Cowell-offers-Rage-campaigners-jobs-stop-Joe-McElderry-getting-number--turn-down.html)
I just heard that song though, it's not really very Christmassy, is it? :(
Not in the slightest, but I think this sums it up as a choice
'Rage Against The Machine may not be the ideal expression of the Christmas spirit - and many people will have preferred a more appropriate song to top the festive charts, but their anti-corporate message proved a perfect vehicle through which to register such a powerful protest.'
Fair play I wonder what jobs he offered them and why they turned them down.
I'm not so sure. Rock/metal is spread out over a huge number of bands. Where pop only seems to have a few artists at a time, which are high profile with massive PR and advert campaigns. It would be interesting to see some sale figures. You may well be right.
In no small part it's because pop targets the 'tweenagers' who have a lot of disposable income who buy singles on a large scale. Once they get past that time people have tended to gravitate towards albums rather than just singles. The tweenagers are the ones that heavily influence the music industry and the charts, and it's only logical that business and PR significantly targets that market.
That said, iTunes is starting to have an influence on how older people buy their music, encouraging a bit more of the singles approach (which sucks as far as I'm concerned, because good albums involve a musical journey, and it's impossible to do that in a single)
Not in the slightest, but I think this sums it up as a choice
Read Pete's last post ;)
Hey don't bring me into this :p
I think its very festive. Parents tell you to eat your greens during Xmas dinner, "**** you I won't do what you tell me!" Perfect Xmas tune. Remember its the thought that counts :D
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:D brilliant. I can just imagine it..
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