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Matblack
08-06-2010, 11:28
http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/?cid=CDM-EU-2962&cp=em-2962-2962&sr=em
Lots of info here, the WDC totally passed me by this year, a lot of this stuff we already new because of the chap who lost his phone but the new OS looks good and certainly seems to have a lot of the things people have been asking for :)
MB
I was considering pre-ordering but will probably wait until I can find out how to keep my current PAYG number etc. Haven't yet researched but I assume the new one takes the micro SIM as rumoured with the earlier leak.
I think i'll get one. 24th... not long to wait. I'm eagerly awaiting the news from O2 - I'm still contracted for a year so can accept the longer contract period without much trouble at the moment.
and this looks like it'll help cover costs without bothering with ebay - http://www.o2recycle.co.uk/phoneSelected.asp?phoneID=2441
Can't say I'm bothered myself. The new phone looks great but doesn't really bring any amazing features that make me want to upgrade, even if I had the spare money.
Davey_Pitch
08-06-2010, 13:44
I really like the look of the phone, and the higher resolution screen looks great, especially for watching films (something I do quite often), but I imagine the PAYG cost of buying the phone will be just far too high to consider getting it now. I do like the look of the new OS though, looking forward to installing that on the 21st and giving it a whirl.
I won't be getting one of them but hopefully at this rate I'll be able to afford a 3GS when my contract's up in October :)
Bit concerned that I can't use the new OS though. I write a few regular columns on iPhone games and if they require the latest update, I'm going to be a bit stuck! :/
Chuckles
08-06-2010, 15:05
Assuming you're eligible for an upgrade, isn't a bit daft not to?
32GB 3GS are going for £400 on ebay. Even if the bottom falls out because of the new model, I think I'll get £300 which would be hopefully more than the $299 new 32GB iPhone 4.
I have a bog standard 3G, so I'll definitely be upgrading. Then either sell or keep the 3G as a spare phone.
Assuming you're eligible for an upgrade, isn't a bit daft not to?
Assuming current prices (for the 3GS) and my current monthly rate, I'd have to pay a small fortune for an iPhone 4 so I'd rather stay one step behind. :)
As it stands I've had a 2g for just over 2 years and not suffered for it so I don't mind being one step behind for a while to come!
Obviously if Apple/O2 offer very cheap rates, it'll be different but I'm not expecting it to be cheap enough for me ;)
SidewinderINC
08-06-2010, 16:50
After what happened to mine at the Christmas meet, I need a new phone :p
;D
Rumour has it that they gave it a metal casing just for you.
SidewinderINC
08-06-2010, 17:24
;D
Rumour has it that they gave it a metal casing just for you.
I wouldn't be surprised, I trod on it 2 weeks ago and cracked the back casing. And I put my guitar cab on it at the weekend :p
I was determined to pass on this generation having got a 3GS, but if the price (ex. recycling) is sub-£200 as it looks like it might be then temptation might get the better of me.
We'll see. Can't afford until the year's up on the 3GS (September-ish) anyway and the bottom might have fallen out by then. :)
PS - Of course, the Android option might rear its ugly head again (though there will be some obvious inertia)
Knipples
08-06-2010, 17:55
I am registering interest, which considering i've always been against getting an iphone is quite a big step for me. I like how this new one looks, and the fact it now has a half decent camera is also another plus for me.
Whether I will be able to afford one is another matter, contract is due for renewal next month, we shall see.
;D
Rumour has it that they gave it a metal casing just for you.
Metal sides, but glass front and rear.. that makes me twitchy given how much people manage to break the existing glass fronted ones.
I was laughing a bit at some journalists who were weeing their pants with excitement on some aspects. ZOMG it's got an HD capable camera, it's the end of the Flip Mivo!!!!1111oneoneoneone. Sure, but have you seen what people do with their Flips? It can take a lot more abuse than the iPhone 4 will ever handle. Plus, just 32Gb of storage consider that's got to hold your apps, music and whatever, that's not expandable makes videoing on it a nice extra that has some purpose but it's not likely to beat dedicated market.
For those that are interested in the iPhone 4, rumours at the moment are that there will be a larger capacity device later this year, probably around November time. That would fit in with Apple's usual release habits too.
AT&T did a nice thing for US customers. Anyone with a contract due to expire this year will be able to get a brand new iPhone from release date (provided they agree to another 2 years). Any signs of similar niceties from UK firms?
Knipples
08-06-2010, 18:43
Are there any iphone cases that cover the front as well as the back, I am always dropping my current phone, and for my 5800 I have one of these, which is perfect because the whole phone just slides into it.
http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo316/ajunjunandtmac/5800.jpg?t=1239548804
Sounds like a small point but its a big consideration for me.
Can't say I'm bothered myself. The new phone looks great but doesn't really bring any amazing features that make me want to upgrade, even if I had the spare money.
This, seems totally pointless if you allready have an Iphone. Unless you are one of the minority who uses video calling.
I am registering interest, which considering i've always been against getting an iphone is quite a big step for me. .
Go for it, after both our dismal displays of buying phones last time. I can''t praise the iphone enough. it is simply awesome and other phones are only just catching up.
Are there any iphone cases that cover the front as well as the back, I am always dropping my current phone, and for my 5800 I have one of these, which is perfect because the whole phone just slides into it.
http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo316/ajunjunandtmac/5800.jpg?t=1239548804
Sounds like a small point but its a big consideration for me.
Expect you'll find one if you look hard enough. iPhones are accessory magnets, so while the current crop of cases won't fit, I'm sure there will be plenty of new ones in the not-too-distant future.
Metal sides, but glass front and rear.. that makes me twitchy given how much people manage to break the existing glass fronted ones.
Twitch not! Check out the last minute or so of this vid: http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video
All the breakthrough technology in iPhone 4 is situated between two glossy panels of aluminosilicate glass — the same type of glass used in the windshields of helicopters and high-speed trains. Chemically strengthened to be 20 times stiffer and 30 times harder than plastic, the glass is ultradurable and more scratch resistant than ever. It’s also recyclable.
Considering my 3G is more than 18 months old and scratch-free without any kind of case or screen cover, I'm certainly not put off!
AT&T did a nice thing for US customers. Anyone with a contract due to expire this year will be able to get a brand new iPhone from release date (provided they agree to another 2 years). Any signs of similar niceties from UK firms?
I don't think our networks have released any details as to their prices yet. I suspect they are working on that information at the moment.
Blighter
08-06-2010, 19:20
AT&T did a nice thing for US customers. Anyone with a contract due to expire this year will be able to get a brand new iPhone from release date (provided they agree to another 2 years). Any signs of similar niceties from UK firms?
O2 put a notice out about a "special, time limited" deal for 02 customers in the middle of a current iPhone contract :D
I think if I had a 16gb+ 3GS I'd be less inclined. But since I have an 8gb 3G then it's quite tempting. Considering my contract ends end of August the timing is perfect. I have my O2 open code which will get me 30% off as well (if it's still active, it was last time!).
My regular 3G works well with bluetooth, certainly works with my car kit...
Knipples
08-06-2010, 19:30
As knip says... but nothing has been said about bluetooth what's the score with it?
Very good point. Something I use a fair bit
Blighter
08-06-2010, 19:31
I presume you mean for the handsfree stuff? Do people actually use bluetooth for file transfers?
Knipples
08-06-2010, 19:32
I presume you mean for the handsfree stuff? Do people actually use bluetooth for file transfers?
I use it to put pictures from the phone onto the laptop, and vice versa, oh and songs. And I use it to send other people pictures/files too.
This, seems totally pointless if you allready have an Iphone. Unless you are one of the minority who uses video calling.
'cept it's iPhone 4 <-> iPhone 4 only. So you can only video-phone people that already have one and only over Wifi, not 3G.
It's funny because my old W880i that finally died a death recently had a front facing camera that enabled me to make video calls over 3G if I wanted to (not that I ever did, even when I was phoning people I knew who could do video calls). My gut is telling me it's AT&T that's screwing Apple with the wifi only restriction.
I use it to put pictures from the phone onto the laptop, and vice versa, oh and songs. And I use it to send other people pictures/files too.
Apple don't like wireless syncing. Never have done. You have to physically connect it to sync files back and forth, even though people have produced apps for jailbroken phones that demonstrate it's perfectly possible to do it.
Blighter
08-06-2010, 19:39
Bluetooths never been an issue for me - I plug it into my laptop every night to charge, at which point it automatically syncs the photos/etc onto my laptop and vice versa.
If I ever need to send a file to someone else it's always through email or MMS - both of which cost zilch (mms are classed as 3 x sms with o2)
'cept it's iPhone 4 <-> iPhone 4 only. So you can only video-phone people that already have one and only over Wifi, not 3G.
It's funny because my old W880i that finally died a death recently had a front facing camera that enabled me to make video calls over 3G if I wanted to (not that I ever did, even when I was phoning people I knew who could do video calls). My gut is telling me it's AT&T that's screwing Apple with the wifi only restriction.
That's a shame, but I do use skype on my iphone a lot so if it supports the camera it'll be amazing!
For those that are interested in the iPhone 4, rumours at the moment are that there will be a larger capacity device later this year, probably around November time. That would fit in with Apple's usual release habits too.
No it wouldn't. One iPhone release per year with no memory bumps in-between.
I'm going to 'recycle' my 3GS to o2 which will go a way towards funding an iPhone 4. I'm on the rolling £20/month Simplicity deal now so I'll get the phone on PAYG and throw away the SIM that comes with it.
No sign of UK pricing at all yet though and I suspect that the prices mentioned in the keynote yesterday were for contract devices. I'd hazard a guess that the PAYG prices will be around the same as they were for the 3GS.
I'll get the phone on PAYG and throw away the SIM that comes with it.
Handy with a pair of scissors I presume? O2 should be able to transfer between SIMs though (they did for me).
I've still got £47 on my PAYG SIM so there's no way I'll be throwing that away. :)
Blighter
08-06-2010, 20:02
Remember the i4 is microsim Feek - but you can cut a normal sim down to size.
ANYONE GETTING AN O2 v4 that is in the middle of a iPhone contract at the moment should enter their details here: https://iphonelatest.o2.co.uk
There is a special deal for current iPhone contract people being announced soon apparently... :D
If you're on a contract, can you recycle your 3G (not s) to O2? Mine hasn't got so much as a scratch on it. :) Worse comes to worse I can just ebay it or envirophone (et al.) it.
No it wouldn't. One iPhone release per year with no memory bumps in-between.
Sorry Feek but that's not true. The original iPhone (September 2007) came in two flavours, 8Gb and 16Gb. Then in February 2008 the 32Gb capacity model was released and the 8Gb retired. Virtually all other iDevices have seen similar tricks. Release in two lower capacity models, then release a larger capacity device later. We're now talking about a device that has gone nearly 3 years without seeing a capacity boost, meanwhile they're adding capacity hungry additions like HD video Cameras.
True. Didn't happen with the 3G or 3GS though. It's probably not in their interests to do it either (the 'mid-term' upgrade to the 2G was to give sales a kick - something that is of less use now due to market penetration and the newer contracts).
I'm guessing there won't be any upgrade offers for PAYG owners then. :(
That's not how I remember it.
The original iPhone was 4Gb and 8Gb, the 3G bumped it up to 8Gb and 16Gb and then the 3GS bumped that further to 16Gb and 32Gb with about a year between them all.
iPhone was released in September 2007 (later in the UK)
3G came out in July 2008
3GS came out in June 2009
Thinking about it, the original device did get a memory boost a while after but that's the only time that happened, the 3G and the 3GS memory sizes were never changed (although technically the 3GS will only be available in 8Gb once the iPhone 4 is released) once released.
Regarding the SIM, I'm happy to cut to size! Alternatively o2 are shipping SIMs out in advance so I'd hope that it's a simple matter to get the number transferred over. It's something I have to ask Vodafone to do with our company phones at least once a week so I know it's not difficult for the providers to do.
Chuckles
08-06-2010, 21:49
The version of iOS4 which is GM and floating round the net works fine on my 3GS by the way.
Folders are fantastic :)
My gut is telling me it's AT&T that's screwing Apple with the wifi only restriction.
What's screwing them is the fact it takes a huge amount of bandwidth so you can either have 3G enabled but ultimately poor quality video or you can have nice high quality awesome video but only via WiFi.
Until mobile networks can effectively carry that much video, it's a problem that can't be got round effectively.
What's screwing them is the fact it takes a huge amount of bandwidth so you can either have 3G enabled but ultimately poor quality video or you can have nice high quality awesome video but only via WiFi.
Until mobile networks can effectively carry that much video, it's a problem that can't be got round effectively.
Sure, but there is nothing to stop Apple / AT&T offering it in both modes, with the caveat that 3G won't compete with wireless for video quality.
AT&T consistently blocks any technology that might result in increased data load. Whilst most of the rest of the world got tethering, it's still not available here, and evidence has come up which suggests AT&T delayed it ever reaching end users. It should be finally hitting the US market at the end of the month when OS4.0 comes out. Oh, and it'll set you back an additional $20 a month too (on top of your data plan without increasing your limits.. but surely data is data regardless of how it's downloaded?)
AT&T is still only slowly realising that they're a data provider, not a voice communication provider, hence VOIP apps were blocked, only allowing them late last year. In the UK "3" were fairly pioneering in their view of themselves a data provider, and it added pressure to the other providers to begin to alter their approach to their networks. That's just not happened here, until fairly recently. (Verizon's recent adverts have helped hammer home the point)
MMS is another prime example, arriving late last year rather than with the OS3.0 upgrade, and evidence points to it being AT&T that caused it to be delayed until OS3.0.
It continues to baffle pundits why Apple remains with AT&T when they have to make so many compromises for abilities. The main conclusion most have is that AT&T give Apple a very nice amount of cash for each new subscriber who has an iPhone.
AT&T also just completely overhauled their data plans, ditching "unlimited" and dropping most people onto a 2Gb plan. That's not bad, but when a number of the new advertised are high bandwidth things, like Netflix, and with an increase in streaming apps, it's almost entirely shackling it here. At least in the UK you have a choice of providers!
Sure, but there is nothing to stop Apple / AT&T offering it in both modes, with the caveat that 3G won't compete with wireless for video quality
Well, there is the quite simple element that it would lack the polish the current version has. I think the decision is more down to Apple wanting a minimum quality level than anything else.
I'd like get get a new iPhone, purely because I like shiny new things - there's nothing wrong with my 3GS.
There's no way I'll stay with O2 though and I don't want a new iPhone enough to buy myself out of the remaining 6 months of my O2 contract so I'll either upgrade around Christmas time when I switch back to Vodafone or go PAYG on Vodafone and keep the 3GS for another year.
The version of iOS4 which is GM and floating round the net works fine on my 3GS by the way.
Folders are fantastic :)
Folders do sound handy....once I can JB it I'm installing :)
LeperousDust
09-06-2010, 11:17
It's the best they've made yet. And i'm impressed, the hardware seems nice, again nothing special, but nice looking etc... I'm almost interested :D It's just some big problems still exist, one thing i think about now is bluetooth transfer anywhere. I guess i could jailbreak. Then theres the price, i just can't justify it when i'm hoping the android lot will get cheaper and/or even more polished hardware (HTC produce some nice stuff now i just hope they have to raise the bar).
I'd like get get a new iPhone, purely because I like shiny new things - there's nothing wrong with my 3GS.
There's no way I'll stay with O2 though and I don't want a new iPhone enough to buy myself out of the remaining 6 months of my O2 contract so I'll either upgrade around Christmas time when I switch back to Vodafone or go PAYG on Vodafone and keep the 3GS for another year.
What's up with O2? Just so I know so I don't renew my contract if they are a shambles....
Blighter
09-06-2010, 16:58
Yeah, I've not had one issue with o2.
What's up with O2? Just so I know so I don't renew my contract if they are a shambles....
It's all based on personal experience so YMMV, but for me I find their 3G coverage shambolic, data throughputs crap, voice coverage patchy, customer service unhelpful, 'frequent' brief outages of data service and far too often for my liking all my incoming calls will go to voicemail for no reason that O2 can find.
LeperousDust
09-06-2010, 17:36
It's all based on personal experience so YMMV, but for me I find their 3G coverage shambolic, data throughputs crap, voice coverage patchy, customer service unhelpful, 'frequent' brief outages of data service and far too often for my liking all my incoming calls will go to voicemail for no reason that O2 can find.
Agreed, o2 do the job, but they seem very basic and stretched. Everyone i talk to seems to hate t-mobile, but i used to actually get a decent stable 3g/3.5g stream with real throughput on my laptop, whereas i barely make anything now days... I'm looking at vodafone next in the interest of fairness ;D
O2's 3G network is significantly overstretched. That's the price everyone has paid for O2 giving iPhone almost 'free reign' on their network and then not planning for capacity to match.
Not sure about Vodafone. They always used to be expensive (IMHO) for what they offered - but did all of that end up with the shareholders, or did some of it get reinvested.
One would at least assume that living in their 'home town' ought to be an advantage. :)
One would at least assume that living in their 'home town' ought to be an advantage. :)
PC World here did a fairly exhaustive test of all the wireless carriers. Strangely enough the fastest and most reliable connection they found was:
Right behind the Apple HQ, on the AT&T network.
Can't think why.
Cool thanks Paul. What's Orange like then?
leowyatt
09-06-2010, 22:12
What's Orange like then?
Cack in our house :p
It's going to be difficult to judge 'Everything Everywhere' for a while due to the impending merger. It could be good (best of both networks), or it could be dire (shoe-horning both sets of customers into one lot of capacity).
The new company name doesn't bode well though - not that most people will know as both Orange and T-Mobile brands are due to survive.
Cack in our house :p
hehe. Well I have to say that O2 for me have been brill.... but maybe that's handy being in London?
leowyatt
09-06-2010, 22:47
well since I got my Pre I've had no signal problems so O2 get a big :thumbsup: from me
This is something that's started cropping up more frequently amongst sources I read and in podcasts:
Crackberry users on AT&T rarely report problems. How much are iPhone users having problems due to the phone rather than the network? I presume that's what is behind the steel bands. Funny thing is I used to have a phone with an aerial on it, and it clearly said that covering the aerial was both disruptive to it's ability to work and also potentially hazardous to health.
If you haven't already seen, the iPhone 4 upgrade costs are out. Early upgrade is £20 for every month left on your contract + handset cost (not released yet)
*on O2
O2 have also announced the end of their "unlimited" data mobile contracts. Users will now have a 500Mb/1Gb cap depending on their package.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10285910.stm
I've had my current iPhone for about six months, in that time I've passed less than a gigabyte of data. A 500Mb/month package would be more than enough for me.
The providers are beginning to realise they've left themselves up an expensive creek without a paddle with unlimited.
Took the ISP industry long enough, and BT swiftly twigged their business model needed changing (spawning the 21CN project). I guess it was only time until the mobile phone companies caught up.
I've had my current iPhone for about six months, in that time I've passed less than a gigabyte of data. A 500Mb/month package would be more than enough for me.
In the 16 months I've had mine I've only had 2.6Gb! Less than 200mb per month. :shocked:
Mine's 750Mb total (up+down) in the nine months I've had mine. Most of the big stuff like app updates and - until recently - even VoIP requires wi-fi anyway so my iPhone 'lives' off wi-fi first (as I'm sure most people here also do). What the top 3% do to use a third of mobile broadband rather boggles me.
Knipples
10-06-2010, 22:50
i've used 150 meg on my phone this month already. (I reset the counters every month just to keep an eye on things)
I usually get to about 500 meg by the end of the month.
how do you find out what you've used? im curious!
LeperousDust
11-06-2010, 01:59
I tether with my phone a bit, so its fairly easy to move more than a few hundred megs of data.
Knipples
11-06-2010, 07:10
how do you find out what you've used? im curious!
I can check on my nokia, its in the same section as the calls bit where you can look at missed/received/dialled calls, but that probably doesn't help you.
I also use free wireless wherever possible (like when i'm at home) so my actual usage is a fair bit higher because that doesn't get counted.
how do you find out what you've used? im curious!
iPhone right?
Settings > General > Usage > Bottom of the page.
I'm on 1.0GB now and I've had the phone for about 9-10 months.
Dymetrie
11-06-2010, 08:02
Sitting on about 3Gb after having had the handset for 18 months...
a 500MB/month cap wouldn't really phase me, as with others then the majority of large files/stuff is done on my wireless network at home.
As Alex has said, tethering is likely to be the major cause of overuse. When I was internetwebless last year I used the sim (tethering in another phone) to get onto t'internet and there was a slight amount of overuse there...
Since October 2008 I've received 801MB. I'm guessing a 500MB cap won't even register on my radar!
i've used 309mb (I assume since my phone last had to restore)... guess thats a couple of months ago :/
Restoring the phone doesn't reset the counter. At least is shouldn't if you restored from a backup.
Knipples
11-06-2010, 17:19
Looks like I can get one for £60, I may now be a teeny bit excited.
Looks like I can get one for £60, I may now be a teeny bit excited.
Have handset prices been announced yet or is that just the 'upgrade fee' which is yet to be added to the base price of the handset?
Knipples
11-06-2010, 18:17
Have handset prices been announced yet or is that just the 'upgrade fee' which is yet to be added to the base price of the handset?
They told me on the phone today if I paid £60 - £20 for every month til I can upgrade - that the handset was then free, whether thats duff information I don't know but I haven't found anything in the terms and conditions on the emails/links they are sending me about an additional cost for the handset.
Am a "select customer" so get special deals and stuff.
Oh ok. It will depend a lot on specific contracts I guess, just so far from what i've heard the 'upgrade fee' is on top of the handset fee - yours may well have been free anyway.
I was mostly interested in whether the prices had been announced yet :p
Knipples
11-06-2010, 18:23
Oh ok. It will depend a lot on specific contracts I guess, just so far from what i've heard the 'upgrade fee' is on top of the handset fee - yours may well have been free anyway.
I was mostly interested in whether the prices had been announced yet :p
They didn't have a clue on the phone, they told me to look on the website because they had no more information than that.
the handset costs will likely be very similar to the 3gs costs just now based on the prices being charged in the states. so unless you're on 45quid for 24 months or above, you'll be looking at an additional cost for the handset. (all guesses really)
A Place of Light
11-06-2010, 21:34
Finally, T-Mobile are getting the iPhone.
Do remember, past consumption is not an indicator to future consumption. The iPhone is now going multi-tasking (finally) and the kind of tasks that run in the background are liable to be ones that consume more data (e.g. RSS reader downloading articles).
You're also dealing with a larger resolution picture from the camera at 5mp , which will be creating photos roughly half as large again as the 3gs, and about twice that of the older phones. If you're routinely snapping and sharing through things like twitpic your data usage will increase. Keep an eye out :)
Even if it doubles the consumption it'll hardly touch 500mb / month for me.
In my case triple wouldn't make any odds either. Worst case just turn off 3G and find a hotspot. At least on O2 all the BT ones are included.
It's a pain having to live without data for a few weeks on a 'connected' phone, but it is possible. £6/MB soon brings some perspective. :D
had a read of the o2 blog last night and honestly i'm suprised by the stance they're taking.
0.1% are using 30odd percent of their data use. only 3% are currently running over 500meg. i use mine LOADS and recon i hit about 40-50 meg a month just because in work or at home im on wifi.
oh and the big bad bit, what happens when you go over 500meg a month? they slow you down. don't charge you, don't cut you off completly. and if you want more data you can add a bolt on.
Dymetrie
12-06-2010, 12:03
i can't tell if you're surprised because it seems like a sensible stance for O2 to be taking or because you disagree with it.
If the 500MB cap isn't going to affect 97% of users, and actually improve their network speed/availability by gimping the 0.1% who take the piss and the 3% who are heavy users then it gets my support.
I don't see the slowdown option being bad either. As before it won't affect 97% of users at all and will still allow the heavy users to access stuff (albeit more slowly) or pay to get a bit extra to get back up to normal speeds.
It seems completely level headed and sensible to me as it has no negative impact on the vast majority of users and even for heavy users doesn't have any hidden charges.
Or am I missing something here?
:)
I've done nearly 5gb in 2 years. Averages about 200mb / month. Should be ok. I doubt I'll be using Spotify that much over 3G but who knows.
Slowdon? Probably not as much as turning 3G off. Which I do often if I don't need the likes of Google Maps. Sure, I might get frustrated by slowness sometimes but mostly it's perfectly usable.
Slow down for a few > slow down for everyone. Works for me anyway. :)
The idea of O2 slowing down their already hideously woeful 3G speeds gives me further need to port my number away.
Blighter
12-06-2010, 14:17
The idea of O2 slowing down their already hideously woeful 3G speeds gives me further need to port my number away.
Never really experienced bad speeds myself unless it's in a small small villiage or at work (new buidling in a new area - NO network gets signal there :( )
can sometimes get a good 2+Mbs!
http://www.speedtest.net/iphone/26738451.png
Yeah coverage is more of an issue than speed. Or at least it was when I was in Sheffield. Not been so bad over in Chester & Manchester thankfully
Dymetrie
12-06-2010, 15:16
The idea of O2 slowing down their already hideously woeful 3G speeds gives me further need to port my number away.
So does that mean you're one of the 3%, or even the 0.1%?
If not then it should result in better network speeds...
I'm failing to see why anyone has a problem with the proposal...
So does that mean you're one of the 3%, or even the 0.1%?
If not then it should result in better network speeds...
I'm failing to see why anyone has a problem with the proposal...
Burble doesn't like O2 though and seems to have had every problem imaginable with them so I assume he'll be leaving regardless :p
I was apprehensive about the cap till I checked my consumption (albeit 2g not 3g) then realised it's not really a problem for me :D Guess I use wi-fi a lot more than I originally thought!
Davey_Pitch
12-06-2010, 18:04
I must admit I thought it would be a problem for me, until I checked and found I'd used about 380MB since I got my phone 10 months ago. Giving me 500MB a month (when I'm predominantly on wireless anyway) seems fair on reflection.
Just wish they'd hurry up and say what the phone will actually cost. Lynnie wants an iPhone, so depending on the cost of the iPhone 4 we may pay off my contract and get me the new phone, and then pass mine to her. Given that I have 14 months left on my contract however, unless the phone is cheaper than the 3GS was last year (highly unlikely) it looks like we'll be waiting a while till we get an iPhone for her.
14 months left? They want £20 a month to pay it off so that's £280 before you've even started ::/:
Must admit, if we weren't saving for a wedding I'd probably have been flogging my 3GS (still going for good money if mint) and buying the new one :D
Davey_Pitch
12-06-2010, 23:41
14 months left? They want £20 a month to pay it off so that's £280 before you've even started ::/:
I know, that's my major sticking point. I can probably afford the phone itself, but the added cost of buying the contract out makes it too much. It's still cheaper than buying it as a PAYG phone though.
So does that mean you're one of the 3%, or even the 0.1%?
Negative. I've transferred a total of 1.1Gb since I got my iPhone in July last year.
Burble doesn't like O2 though and seems to have had every problem imaginable with them so I assume he'll be leaving regardless :p
Yep :)
Davey_Pitch
13-06-2010, 10:52
I always find it strange how people get such varying service from the same provider. Besides flaky 3G service where I work, I find O2 to be brilliant for me, whereas Orange were so poor, with rubbish service and bad customer service to boot. The only thing I miss from Orange is Orange Wednesdays :)
I always find it strange how people get such varying service from the same provider. Besides flaky 3G service where I work, I find O2 to be brilliant for me, whereas Orange were so poor, with rubbish service and bad customer service to boot. The only thing I miss from Orange is Orange Wednesdays :)
Snap!
I use a PAYG sim for Orange Wednesday now so don't even miss that :)
I always find it strange how people get such varying service from the same provider. Besides flaky 3G service where I work, I find O2 to be brilliant for me, whereas Orange were so poor, with rubbish service and bad customer service to boot. The only thing I miss from Orange is Orange Wednesdays :)
Agreed.
^^me too. I still have orange wednesdays though. I lost regular phone/text contact with so many people because I had *no* signal whatsoever in my house on my mobile. Used to have to sit in the car at the end of the road to read/send texts or listen to answerphone messages I didn't know I had until I left the house. Rubbish. ANd they failed to port my number in the end so I had to swap. Since 02, no real problems apart from the initial failed port disaster (which they dealt with well from their end) and excellent coverage.
My only issue with o2 is that I can never connect to their free wifi hotspots.
Blighter
13-06-2010, 16:14
My only issue with o2 is that I can never connect to their free wifi hotspots.
Aye, this happens to me quite a lot.
It says all BT Openzone points but there never seems to be an o2 login bit :(
Always used to work for me but I haven't used one in ages and I've been told they've since changed the system on all of them so you don't get the old-style O2 login (just using phone number) any more.
Guess that means I'll need yet another account then.
Orange texted me at the weekend to tell me they'd closed my account. Given that I haven't had access to my old account for the last 9 months, that was nice of them. :)
FakeSnake
13-06-2010, 19:57
Aye, this happens to me quite a lot.
It says all BT Openzone points but there never seems to be an o2 login bit :(
ooh, i thought that was just me!
I get the same thing
i dont know what to do at the moment, i really want a 4, and will most likely get one and pass mt 3gs to er indoors
question is.. contract or payg
and which network :/
i have a contract with Vfone which ends soon, and my iphone is on o2 payg
anyone use an iPhone on vodafone?
Aye, this happens to me quite a lot.
It says all BT Openzone points but there never seems to be an o2 login bit :(
there's 2 types of BT openzone, the starbucks kind, and the "buisnesshub you can make this pay to access" the later is only for access by paying customers, not us freeloading types sadly
Blighter
13-06-2010, 21:26
Orange texted me at the weekend to tell me they'd closed my account. Given that I haven't had access to my old account for the last 9 months, that was nice of them. :)
Haha I got this today!!!
Funnily enough, I got one the other day too :D
I heard a rumor that we'd hear O2 pricing on the iPhone today ;D
Davey_Pitch
14-06-2010, 12:07
Pre-orders start from tomorrow so I'd guess at least one or two of the providers will give the prices today. The sooner the better really, dragging it on and releasing info in drips and drabs is really annoying.
Blighter
14-06-2010, 18:28
Pre-orders start from tomorrow so I'd guess at least one or two of the providers will give the prices today. The sooner the better really, dragging it on and releasing info in drips and drabs is really annoying.
Keeps it in the press/conversations I guess!
vodafone prices (http://www.gaj-it.com/19432/iphone-4-uk-prices-and-tariffs-revealed-by-vodafone/)
still nout from o2 though, and nothing from apple. hopefully ill find out more by the time i actually get into work.
Ouch! £869 all in all for the 18 month 32 gb iPhone 4. And people moan about the iPad pricing. This thing is half the size! Should be half the price ;)
Ouch!
I have a suspicion that O2 have attached their new iPhone 4 prices to the 3GS. They look remarkably similar to what Vodafone want.
Thing is, the 3GS could easily hit £800+ as well, particularly with the 24 month contracts. At most the 4 is £100 more, but I'm not even convinced of that.
Sadly I lost my 3GS spreadsheet so I can't confirm this.
with a year left on my contract with O2 I have just seen that they are £500 sim-free from apple.
If I cut my sim to fit, would it activate on the new phone ok? seems like it'd probably work out cheaper :/
Yep, just cut it down and pop it in :)
sweet, then I'll be able to ditch O2 if they don't improve next year ;D
oh - also, is the iphone available in the education store? i've got a few months left on my edu email address - need to finally use it!
*now just need my contract extension at work so I can afford it!*
AFAIK there's no educational discount on the iPhones or iPads.
lame :(
oh well, planning on a macbook, hopefully can get one before i lose access!
Apple has announced that an unlocked, contractless iPhone4 will be available in the UK. If you can pony up the cash up-front it'll almost certainly be more cost effective than a subsidised contract one.
It's been on their store for the past few hours. £499 for the 16GB, £599 for the 32GB. I've just registered with O2 to get a micro-SIM sent to me; you can swap your current iPhone SIM with the one they send, then snap the micro-SIM out of the full-size surround when you get an iPhone 4.
Nice that the contractless version is now unlocked. The 3GS was still SIM-locked to O2. I can have mine unlocked in Sept (although it already is ;)).
Colleague at work has been fighting the Apple store all afternoon to order one (with eventual success). I've gone off the idea again myself (I'd certainly welcome the extra storage but there isn't much else that I'm bothered about right now - besides what I'll get for free with iOS 4).
The 3GS was still SIM-locked to O2. I can have mine unlocked in Sept (although it already is ;)).
Or you could just go here (http://shop.o2.co.uk/update/unlockmyiphone.html) and do it now. My 3GS has been unlocked officially since November 2009.
Blighter
15-06-2010, 18:51
Hmm, £499? take away the £240 for recycling my 3GS and £80 for my G1... I may just get this on PAYG and simplicity tariff :) Will work out sooo much cheaper!
Knipples
15-06-2010, 19:00
Walked into an o2 phone shop today, went to the desk, and the bloke behind it said
"24th of June, and no we have no idea on prices yet" before I even said a thing! ;D
He did say that the £60 to buy out the rest of my contract wouldn't mean I would then get a free phone though, and there would still be a cost on top :(
There are various rumours kicking around about device costs on contracts but nothing confirmed at all yet. One I've heard for o2 is that if you sign up for a 24 month contract at £45/month then you'll get the phone for free.
Because I'm on the o2 iPhone simplicity package at £20/month and don't want to be tied in to even an 18 month contract, let alone a 24 month one, I've ordered a 16Gb iPhone 4 from Apple today for delivery on the 24th.
With the cash I've got from recycling my 3GS to o2 (I got in while the price was still good) and the mileage expenses I'll pick up from a trip to Ludlow at the end of this week, I've only got to find a few quid extra to pay for it.
There are various rumours kicking around about device costs on contracts but nothing confirmed at all yet.
Whilst not confirmed officially, the Vodafone prices that went up earlier before hastily going back down (that karbon has linked) look pretty much on the money and i'd be surprised if they changed or if anywhere else was significantly cheaper.
Blighter
15-06-2010, 19:44
I don't get paid til the 28th - reckon there will still be stock?
I get the impression O2 don't want iPhone 4 users on Simplicity. They don't seem too keen on providing a micro-SIM on it anyway. Of course, there's not a lot they can do about someone being handy with scissors. :)
Blighter
15-06-2010, 22:37
I get the impression O2 don't want iPhone 4 users on Simplicity. They don't seem too keen on providing a micro-SIM on it anyway. Of course, there's not a lot they can do about someone being handy with scissors. :)
How don't they?
There are two ways to get a micro sim. If you've registered to receive iPhone 4 updates from O2, you may receive a micro sim from us in the post before iPhone 4 is available. We can't guarantee that everyone who registers for iPhone 4 updates will get a micro sim, so if you don't get one in the post, don't worry. If you decide to buy iPhone 4, you will get your micro sim at the same time as your iPhone 4.
Del Lardo
15-06-2010, 22:53
six hundred pounds :shocked:
can someone tell me the exact deal with how the recycle works - i see the price is already dropping so I'm at a stage of trying to decide whether to just go for it now and see if i can cope with one of my mums old phones for a few weeks but depends how the recycle works... when do you have to send your phone off?
Blighter
16-06-2010, 00:29
I've just requested them to send me a freepost envelope... that should add some time to it :P
Ow!! 32gb iPhone 4 on Orange is £319! Then £35 / month for 18 months. £949. Thats insane. As much as I love a good Apple product I do miss the days when I could get a free upgrade to the latest SE phone on a 12 month contract.
http://iphone.orange.co.uk/plans/
Some of these prices are just daft. I can't believe they've bumped the PAYG prices up too.
Matblack
16-06-2010, 14:39
I think I would probably be looking at
-£240 back for 3GS 32GB
+£100 to buy out contract
+£319 for 18 months from Orange maybe different with O2
=£179
If thats the total it doesn't seem toooooooo bad to be honest. I haven't had too many issues with O2 although the local coverage doesn't seem to be a patch on Orange. I like the number of wifi points that O2 gives me with my contract although I could probably live with less or even none if I had consistant 3G. What am I getting for my money though? Apart from the better screen what is a 4 going to give me over my 3GS?
MB
Better cam? 5mp with 720p video. iPad processor.
Matblack
16-06-2010, 14:48
Yeah, I think I might be better off putting the money towards a Canon G series camera to be honest. I hardly take any photos with the 3GS, I don't watch video and I don't really care if it has the power of an iPad or a Morris Minor as long as it does its thang.
MB
Speaking of, I do have a G9 (maybe 10, I forget) that I've been meaning to sell.
Matblack
16-06-2010, 15:01
Speaking of, I do have a G9 (maybe 10, I forget) that I've been meaning to sell.
I'd probably be interested in that :)
MB
-£240 back for 3GS 32GB
+£100 to buy out contract
+£319 for 18 months from Orange maybe different with O2
=£179
Plus the cost of the iP4? Unless you'll be getting it free on the new Orange contract.
Holy crap those are expensive contracts.
I was looking at the Orange PAYG, unlimited texts and 250MB a month 3G (would be plenty really) presumably required to top up £10 a month though. The internet allowance only last 12 months too, i've not had a proper look yet so i've no idea what happens after that, pay £5 pm for it? :shrug:
£480 though. It's a lot of money - I paid not much more for a full on quad core gaming PC a year ago and when I look at it like that, it's an awful lot of money for a phone, however good it might be.
I think it's something that as nice as it would be, is a little bit too much money for my tastes at the moment.
£480 though. It's a lot of money - I paid not much more for a full on quad core gaming PC a year ago and when I look at it like that, it's an awful lot of money for a phone, however good it might be.
If you think of it as a pocket computer does that help?
You could get a netbook for that *ducks* ;)
I did! Actually I got better than a netbook!
*ducks behind petemc*
If you think of it as a pocket computer does that help?
Not really, as even if it was, i'd begrudge paying as much for it as a PC that will give a Mac Pro a run for it's money :(
And I already have a netbook Pete :D
i have 8 months left on my contract. i shall be picking up one sim free (thank the lord that's finally come around) and sticking my o2 sim in it.
the prices on contracts should be not too much more than the current 3gs ones as the handset itself is only 50 quid of a difference.
Chuckles
16-06-2010, 22:32
£480 though. It's a lot of money - I paid not much more for a full on quad core gaming PC a year ago and when I look at it like that, it's an awful lot of money for a phone, however good it might be.
Dunno about you but I'd spend more time over 2 years on an iPhone than on my PC I reckon.
I pretty much definitely wouldn't :p
Plus the cost of the iP4? Unless you'll be getting it free on the new Orange contract.
The phone is £319....
I'm not sure why everyone adds up the monthly tariff and lumps it in to make the phone cost... I mean your paying a monthly fee anyway... or spending x amount on PAYG.
hmmm worth becoming a small business...
Handset prices on O2 are up: http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/tariffs.html
Was just going to post this :)
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5691/screenk.png
Stan_Lite
17-06-2010, 14:16
Handset prices on O2 are up: http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/tariffs.html
This is what I get when I click on that link :rolleyes:
http://r1wuga.bay.livefilestore.com/y1prUuIQJylBDiFNfV7zNI5ejyxdDNrOd1P3u3zdUwA2RvV9Pb 4GYwG_xPOVKjnogazT2dAVj7YdrdMCZoPZzBfKl4aA1QuNLL3/O2.JPG?psid=1
Why block people from your shop because they're in a country you don't send to? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a warning that they don't sell to the country you're in and then allow you to carry on into the shop to have a browse? There are a great many UK citizens who work abroad and I'm sure many of them would like to browse while they're away so they're ready to buy on their return.
This isn't the first time I've been blocked from sites because I happen to be browsing from Egypt. Must get myself set up with a UK proxy.
If you find one that works, let me know! :D
Matblack
17-06-2010, 15:03
Soooooooo, it would cost me £380 to upgrade minus £240 rebate on my current handset making £140 and tying me in for another 18 months @ the 300 tarriff @ £35/ pcm which is the same as I pay at the moment, hmmmmmmmmm. Thats almost worth it.
MB
O2 isn't looking half bad. Whats the deal with this simplicity tariff? It looks much better than the 18 month one. 12 month simplicity is £30/month and the phone is only £129. Seems ideal. Expecting a catch in that I have to rent out my penis to medical science for 5 years.
Edit: Ah i see. No phone on simplicity. Had to be a catch. 18 months, £35 / month and £279 up front. Wanna keep my 3G as a spare, just in case.
The 4G on £40 PM / 18 months seems tempting.
I've decided I'm going to buy the 16GB handset outright then go for the £15 a month Simplicity package. I spend £15 a month on credit anyway so it makes sense. There's no way I'd reach 300 minutes in a month anyway. Selling my 16GB 3G will make a nice subsidy. Any ideas what it would go for? It's pretty much pristine; a couple of minor superficial nicks but nothing most people would even notice.
wheee funds secure, sim free iphone shall be mine first thing thursday morning. though ill probably be far too tired, from the overnight getting the shop setup for the launch, to be able to play properly.
From their Twitter:
Just to confirm, the 18/24 month tariffs on http://j.mp/iPhoneOnO2 are correct - the figures are not the wrong way around.
So nope. Is a bit odd though!
Blighter
17-06-2010, 22:38
24m will be cheaper per month as they have you for a longer period - nothing odd about it? :S
It does look a bit odd at first but if you work out the total cost in monthly terms the 24m one is cheaper despite the higher initial phone price.
24m works out to a total cost of almost £37 per month, where as the 18m is ~£42 per month.
In absolute terms the 18m is cheaper though, but obviously with 6 months less time.
Oh I know it works out better in the long run :) Worked out the figures earlier despite knowing I can't afford any of them :D
But typically aren't handsets usually cheaper the longer the contract length though? Not looked for anything other than a Sim only deal in a few years so maybe I'm just out the loop :p
They are usually, yes, this just makes the 24m less of a better deal than on the higher priced contracts.
I'd guess it's to dissuade people and push them to higher prices or something.
But typically aren't handsets usually cheaper the longer the contract length though? Not looked for anything other than a Sim only deal in a few years so maybe I'm just out the loop :p
Aren't the monthly tariffs typically the same too? :)
frick it, i am going to get it i think.
Currently I have almost £70 in my Orange Phone fun, and if i don't use it, it will get zeroed at the end of the year so i might as well put it towards a nice phone eh. Get the iPhone 4, sell my old 2G iPhone for £100 on the bay, already got £70 for my N95, that's 50% of the £500 needed for PAYG.
£250 from my own pocket for a new phone. Not that bad really.
That's the way i am justifying it !
Currently I have almost £70 in my Orange Phone fun
:|
...I don't know how it works on contract but on PAYG £10 top up = £1 fund... that's £700 worth of topping up :huh:
:|
...I don't know how it works on contract but on PAYG £10 top up = £1 fund... that's £700 worth of topping up :huh:
I know...erm.
20p a text to Australia....that's where 99.9999% of it went as I seldom make calls on it, and i get 1000 free text every month that i don't use up.
The problem is that if i get on contract, the £35 a month won't go towards the text abroad.
a PAYG Camel plan might be an idea, 15p per text to Australia :p
When you're spending that much on foreign texting, it could save you a couple of hundred quid.
a PAYG Camel plan might be an idea, 15p per text to Australia :p
When you're spending that much on foreign texting, it could save you a couple of hundred quid.
I'd do that right now lol !
The Camel PAYG plan from Orange is actually brilliant if you call or text abroad a lot - it's cheaper than many PAYG systems are domestically.
You can call Australia for 5p a minute IIRC and text for 15p.
Blighter
17-06-2010, 23:33
The Camel PAYG plan from Orange is actually brilliant if you call or text abroad a lot - it's cheaper than many PAYG systems are domestically.
You can call Australia for 5p a minute IIRC and text for 15p.
Either that, or pay Skype £3 per month for UNLIMITED landline calls to Australia, AND a UK based landline number which you can dial to.
i.e.
You dial a UK landline number
You input the number/choose from quick saves
It puts you through
I have the full world package for about £6/month and it is brilliant.
Dymetrie
18-06-2010, 08:37
Currently breaking my 8GB 3G by installing iOS 4 (have had to do it as a restore)...
*bites nails*
Dymetrie
18-06-2010, 09:20
Interestingly I seem to have lost 0.18 GB in the restore....
Plus, syncing back 1GB of apps and 5GB of music takes a-g-e-s!
Dymetrie
18-06-2010, 10:22
All sorted and am rather liking it.
Everything seems as nippy as before, so no loss of usability.
Folders are remarkably good, although you can only have 12 apps in a folder (which is annoying if you have more than 12 that you want to clump together). Also, they're pretty easy to create. Just drag and drop one app onto another and it creates a folder, which you can then rename/organise.
Unified inbox is quite good, will take a while to get used to though.
Haven't found all the new features yet (fairly obvious as there're meant to be oodles!) but will continue playing over the weekend :)
Considering how smoothly iOS4 is running on my 3G, it should be lightning fast (and have even more features!) on an iPhone 4 (which I am hoping to pick up next week...).
Davey_Pitch
18-06-2010, 17:28
Is that the beta or the full version? Didn't think the full version was available yet.
02 announced earlier today that until the end of July they will only be supplying the iphone 4 to their existing customers. New customers will have to wait.
Odd move, but good to see.
Folders are remarkably good, although you can only have 12 apps in a folder (which is annoying if you have more than 12 that you want to clump together). Also, they're pretty easy to create. Just drag and drop one app onto another and it creates a folder, which you can then rename/organise.
Sounds handy that. Means I can keep all my crappy silly apps in one neat place. Don't like them clogging up the springboard but like to have them for a little play every now and again.
Unified inbox is quite good, will take a while to get used to though.
Is this for email? I assume it keeps all of your account inbox's as one? That could be handy :)
The unified inbox is a great feature, it combines all inboxes together so you can see all your mail if you have multiple accounts. I'm really looking forward to iOS4 on the iPad so I get the same feature.
If you double tap the home button and scroll all the way to the left, you can lock the phone into portrait mode, that's dead handy as well.
I like folders but I found that I'm using less apps than before, previously I'd flick through the screens and kick in apps just because they were in my field of view, with folders I'm having to make a conscious effort to go into them and look for apps.
I've got an iPhone 4 on order from Apple. I sold my 3GS and have just had a nice couple of days working away so I'm tanked up on mileage expenses ;)
Blighter
18-06-2010, 19:46
O2 are definitely doing the best out of the operators to keep current customers.
Do you have to use the unified inbox? They're a pet hate of mine.
Apple Store quidco - 3% - so that's £15 of the difference back. :)
Do you have to use the unified inbox? They're a pet hate of mine.
No, it's a toggle.
Apple Store quidco - 3% - so that's £15 of the difference back. :)
They seem to be changing the T&C almost daily, at the moment it lists a number of products that you can't get cashback on, the iPhone isn't one of them but the iPod Nano is. Earlier this week the iPhone was included in that list and a while ago I had cashback on a nano!
02 announced earlier today that until the end of July they will only be supplying the iphone 4 to their existing customers. New customers will have to wait.
Odd move, but good to see.
Can't say that upsets me much. :)
They seem to be changing the T&C almost daily, at the moment it lists a number of products that you can't get cashback on, the iPhone isn't one of them but the iPod Nano is. Earlier this week the iPhone was included in that list and a while ago I had cashback on a nano!
All in the timing then. And just to add to the fun, I got 4% on an iPhone last year. Oh, and it's ex-VAT too. Still, better than nothing if you can get it.
So is anyone else getting one on Thursday?
Blighter
21-06-2010, 18:50
Nope... But payday is Monday so hopefully there will be some left!
So is anyone else getting one on Thursday?
first thing, as soon as night shift in the shop finishes ill be out the door and joining the queue.
I've just weighed it up and I don't think I need a new one, so probably won't bother. I'll wait out my 5 months & upgrade near Christmas (...only 6 months or so away :p)
Does anybody know if there's an ios4 JB yet?
I suspect not, though the devs have had access to images for a while. They'll probably wait at least until the iPhone4 is in people's hands.
I'm wondering whether to give up my jailbreak and go for it. Besides SBSettings and five icon dock, there's very little I'd lose.
I did a quick google and it looks like theres a JB for the 3Gs already.
RedSn0w seems to do it :/
Yup, there's a Redsn0w 4 already though I'm not sure it's out in the wild yet for non-devs. That might only help with already-jailbroken phones, but that's OK if you've got one.
I'll be getting one on Thursday. That is I'll be trying to get one on Thursday :)
Knipples
21-06-2010, 22:01
I think i've decided to say no, a)I cant afford it, and b) as much as I like the phone, I still have this irrational thing about not wanting phones everyone has.
My contract is up on the 12th of next month, have been and had a play about with a HTC, and am leaning towards that right now.
If I'm completely honest I did look at a HTC. I hate that the iPhone costs £xxx to buy, that o2 want to charge me £xx for tethering and that I have to jailbreak just to get custom SMS/email tones. Little things. But then I think that switching to Android would be like switching to Linux. Have to find replacements for all my daily apps. There are some that I just couldn't do without. So yes its expensive but I know its the right decision.
Knipples
21-06-2010, 22:08
I'm used to nokia's (pretty much all my phones bar one have been nokia) so I do need to go and have another play with the phone, but from what the bloke was showing me, it did look pretty good.
Briggykins
21-06-2010, 22:23
I love mine knips (it's a Desire). Would certainly recommend it to anyone, but I do take pete's point about replacing apps you know and love.
Knipples
21-06-2010, 22:33
Can you explain what you mean? Feel free to PM me if you dont want to hijack the thread. I'd be interested to know.
Briggykins
21-06-2010, 22:46
Only that if you've had an iphone for a while and have some great apps you use every day, it can be annoying to switch and find new ones that might not work in the same way as your old apps. If you've not had an iphone (or any other phone where apps are a big thing) before then it's not an issue as you'll be coming at it fresh.
Not just the apps (probably spent £100 on mine now - most of that was on CoPilot), but the accessories (case excluded because obviously that won't fit), the time you've spent getting all your music into iTunes, and so on.
I used to have the 'not what everyone else has' fear too. That's why I kept getting Motorola phones. Thank god I saw the light, though I went HTC before getting the iPhone.
Both iPhone and HTC/Android are cracking options. Unlikely you'll have any major gripes with either (service provider incompetence aside).
Stan_Lite
22-06-2010, 04:27
I still have this irrational thing about not wanting phones everyone has.
I'm like that :o I'll pigheadedly refuse to get one simply because so many people rant on about how wonderful they are. If I was in the market for a smartphone, I'd be looking at an HTC as well.
Having said that, I did go against it once and got a K800i when everybody and their dog had one - and I'm glad I did, it was and still is a cracking phone.
I just don't get that. If a product is good, people buy it, and as such it becomes popular. I'd rather not buy something which doesn't fulfil my needs just because everyone else has the product I want. I know I know, it's irrational so it's completely understandable, and therefore unexplainable.
Stan_Lite
22-06-2010, 08:29
It's not so much the popularity, it's the overstated hype I rebel against. For the same reason, I avoid movies that are universally loved and touted as "must see" movies.
It is completely irrational and I dare say, a lot of times, I'm "cutting off my nose to spite my face" but I can't help it.
hehe - that's the thing about irrational things. :) I have an irrational hatred for Nokias - but then again I find them almost impossible to use and fugly so that's probably something to do with it! ;)
Yeah I agree about the hype, but sometimes I think to myself there must be a reason for it - often there isn't, but sometimes, there is and I eat humble pie! :)
I love it when people say the iphone's dumbed down.
FUnny when most senior developers, network architects and testers have iphones at my work.
Does anybody know, or have an idea, about the pre-orders for store pick-ups? I heard someone at work today say that the Apple store at the Trafford centre aren't allowing pre-orders. I'm planning on getting one next Friday I think, so if this is true about that store, I'm guessing they'll be stocking plenty for people to just pop in and buy.
all the stores have taken pre orders. all of them will have limited free stock for sale, i wouldn't count on it lasting much past thursday morning through.
soooo... the queue at buchanan street has started....
Davey_Pitch
23-06-2010, 09:17
soooo... the queue at buchanan street has started....
You're kidding, right? They're queuing a day early?!
1 chap. he was first in line for the ipad and 3gs as well apparently. but aye, 23 hours early.
You're kidding, right? They're queuing a day early?!
Someone in America maybe started queuing last week. Still, doesn't beat the queue for the latest twiglet film. Freaky emo girls and their love of angsty dead people.
leowyatt
23-06-2010, 11:31
Seems the activation servers have gone poop. Trying to get a director's 3GS working for him this morning and the phone is having none of it :(
I'd love to see one of these queues get reversed - last in, first out. There'd probably be a riot! :D
I'm looking forward to the videos of people acting like twonks and whooping every time somebody buys a..........PHONE!!!
They should do it how they do when Guitar Village in Farnham has ridiculous offers on. Usually there's one expensive guitar reduced to about £100, then some not so good deals but still bargains, then a handful of reductions - of course the person at the front of the line would be mad not to buy the £100 guitar so a queue forms early. Once a healthy queue has appeared they walk down the line offering raffle tickets, one per person. Whoever gets #1 goes in first. Luckily it's advertised this way or you'd get mods, rockers, emos, goths and metallers in a massive brawl outside. :D
LeperousDust
23-06-2010, 15:37
Decent iPhone deal for anyone looking around :)
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/705278/iphone-4-12-month-contract-250-mins
I'd be lying if i said i wasn't temped, but for £280 i can get a sim free desire, and then grab a 12 month sim only contract with some quidco/topcashback cashback for another 120, and thats an instant £270 saving which i can't ignore. Or even better not bother getting either (which is pretty much how its working right now ;D).
That's very good. Oh, and it's £659 if you count the Clubcard points.
If I had the cash, I might. I don't. :(
That's very good, especially for only a 12month contract!
Which network do Tesco use, as i'm guessing they don't have their own :p (edit - seems they piggyback O2's network)
Hmm. I get my adsl with o2 so I do like the saving they give. But then if I were on a £20 contract I'd save £15. So all in all I'd save £10. Hmmm.
Indeed, for me O2 were by far the most competitive due to that £5 discount although the decision not to accept new custom was a bit lame.
This Tesco deal is pretty excellent though if you have the lump sum for it.
Chuckles
23-06-2010, 20:18
Yeah I'm going to stick with O2 as well on the basis of it's a straight upgrade with no contract buy out and I get the £5 deduction on ADSL as well.
So you fancy queuing up early tomorrow morning at an O2 shop Rich? :p
I'm updating my 3GS firmware tonight. Lots of the features of the new iphone on that. Hurrah!! :D
Not really, seeing that as mentioned above, O2 wouldn't sell me one even if I turned up with £800 in cash :p
just make sure you let it backup before installing the new software :)
Have done Kitten. Thanks for the reminder though :)
Great!! It's ****ed. Won't restore and won't take the back up. GREAT!
If anyone else is thinking of this, don't bloody bother :(
Kitten had the same problem. :(
Going to have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Is this a Mac vs PC thing? :dunno:
I updated and it was fine - but it's a bit slow now so might go back to 3.1.3 or whatever version it was before.
You can't. Unless your iPhone was jailbroken or you happened to use Firmware Umbrella before iOS 4 was released.
Blighter
23-06-2010, 21:34
Some people have been having issues with Jailbroken 3.x firmwares
Kitten had the same problem. :(
Going to have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Is this a Mac vs PC thing? :dunno:
In what way, Mac vs PC? Mine worked eventually though, just took ages. And it's waaaaaaay faster than it was before.
You can't. Unless your iPhone was jailbroken or you happened to use Firmware Umbrella before iOS 4 was released.
Ah well... works well enough, just a bit sluggish now. Still, gives me more of a reason to get an iphone 4! ;)
Mine showed an error code which indicates a hardware issue. Something to do with the battery. It was stuck in recovery mode and wouldn't restore or do anything. Just had the connect to iTunes pic on it constantly.
It's not been jailbroken or anything. Leon's managed to sort it using a 3rd party ap and I have everything back, but it has restarted itself a few times whilst connected to iTunes and twice since it's been disconnected so it's not fully fixed yet. Bloody thing!!!
It's not been jailbroken or anything. Leon's managed to sort it using a 3rd party ap and I have everything back, but it has restarted itself a few times whilst connected to iTunes and twice since it's been disconnected so it's not fully fixed yet. Bloody thing!!!
Pretty much the same as mine, but I lost all my settings on my apps & stuff. Hopefully yours will be fixed very soon!
In what way, Mac vs PC?
As in whether the updates work fine from a Mac but are failing from a PC, as iTunes on each is slightly different afaik.
Yes I understand that but he knows I have a Mac.
Pretty much the same as mine, but I lost all my settings on my apps & stuff. Hopefully yours will be fixed very soon!
Did yours keep restarting? Leon's looked on the support forums and there are a lot of people with the same issue. No fix as yet
It's not been jailbroken or anything. Leon's managed to sort it using a 3rd party ap and I have everything back, but it has restarted itself a few times whilst connected to iTunes and twice since it's been disconnected so it's not fully fixed yet. Bloody thing!!!
When you're ready to try again, use the USB charger that (hopefully) came with the iPhone to fully charge it. This is more reliable than a PC and should ensure you have a good full charge before starting.
Many other USB chargers - and some USB ports - don't charge the iPhone well, so the battery may have drained during the upgrade.
Yes I understand that but he knows I have a Mac.
And I also know the ones I've seen working have been done from PCs. Strange, but true. Highly unlikely to have been the issue of course.
It restarted twice, but then just started working normally - wasn't consistently doing it like yours is :(
Mine was done from a PC (Laptop) too Mark, but as I said, you know I have a Mac so I was just wondering how you knew which one I used. Have you been installing cameras again?? ;)
Cameras? Who needs to install them? There's one right there in your iPhone! :p
Chuckles
23-06-2010, 23:32
Not really, seeing that as mentioned above, O2 wouldn't sell me one even if I turned up with £800 in cash :p
I didn't read that, but apparently if you've got O2 broadband, that counts as an existing customer according to the o2 Twitter.
Blighter
24-06-2010, 00:16
I didn't read that, but apparently if you've got O2 broadband, that counts as an existing customer according to the o2 Twitter.
It does indeed!
leowyatt
24-06-2010, 07:48
So who here is queueing up
Seems the iPhone has screen colour and reception issues already
I drove past the local o2 shop in Brentwood just around 07:00 and I counted about 30 people outside. I'm told it was up to over 50 by half seven.
100 in Reading (also at half seven). They had one of them on the phone (obviously not new iPhone, yet) on the local radio station.
Store opens at 8.02am.
.. and the local shop is telling people in the queue that they have around 100 handsets.
Currently sat in phones4u. Been on hold with o2 for 35 mins.
Currently sat in a coffee shop. O2 call died after 1hr. Guy said he'd get it sorted before my photoshoot at 1. Here's hoping. At least this place is warm.
Dymetrie
24-06-2010, 09:46
i r can has iPhone 4?
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o237/dymetrie/5c162b94.jpg
:D:D:D
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