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Matblack
22-06-2010, 10:25
It's OK
Slightly prettier and it does a few new things I don't need
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LeperousDust
22-06-2010, 12:16
You need multitasking surely!? Well need isn't the right way to describe, but it must come in handy more often than not? I mean i multi task with a wee old symbian smartphone between email/mail/phonebooks/apps....
Matblack
22-06-2010, 12:24
Not really, the major programs run in the background anyway, it's not really a big deal for me, in fact I think it's more likely that it will annoy me because I'll get slow downs from having background applications running and forgetting to kill them :D
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Seems like it'll be alright. If it doesn't brick your phone during the upgrade anyway.
Not done mine yet - deciding how much I'd be annoyed at not having SBSettings now I've got used to it. :)
I mean i multi task with a wee old symbian smartphone between email/mail/phonebooks/apps....
Me too before the iOS4 update and jailbreaking. :shrugs: :p
I'm skipping the update for 2 reasons. Not hugely beneficial on my 3G. Happy with the jailbreak. Plus my Mac is in storage while I move so I can't update it :) Oh and 3rdly I'm just going to get a iPhone 4 anyway.
Just done mine. DFU'd it to nuke the jailbreak and then installed iOS4. All went almost perfectly (I forgot a bit of jailbreak stuff I'd left on my iTunes machine). No problems with the restore either.
Now I just have to wait for iTunes to sync everything. Expect it'll take a few hours.
Yes, I decided to ditch the jailbreak - too much risk and too little reward to justify it given the way I've used my phone for the last nine months. Wonder how many times I'll forget and try to use SBSettings. ;D
Camera is much faster and I like the multi task. Less buttons to click. Only major issue is the rebooting every 4'mins
Aye. Was playing with macro and zoom. Not bad at all. Needed an app for those in OS3
I wasn't going to bother with iOS (I wonder what Cisco have to say about that name?) 4 for a while yet but on a whim I've installed it. The backup is restoring at the moment and the I need to do all the Cydia stuff.
Whoops. I created a custom firmware with Pwnage tool and then restored the stock Apple firmware by mistake. Bye bye jailbreak, for now anyway.
Hmm my phone appears to be stuck in DFU mode after a reboot. Not fun.
Cisco are fine, Apple have licensed the name.
Okidoki, I didn't realise it was officially called iOS, I thought the community had given it that name.
My phone may live to fight another day, I can't get it to restore on my Macbook Pro but I just plugged it into the Mini and it's happily restoring. Fingers crossed that it doesn't sit in DFU mode again after a reboot.
Blighter
28-06-2010, 21:16
http://set2music.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/fingers_crossed.jpg
I'm now really really relieved nothing went wrong with mine... I'm one lucky git - because it sounds like it's been a nightmare for a lot of people :(
Hope it goes ok Paul. :)
Probably post-Jailbreak issues in Burble's case. I'd heard rumours (on here?) that there might be trouble there so I pre-emptively put mine into DFU mode before upgrading. Seems to have worked (in that I've had no problems whatsoever - touch wood).
Fingers crossed that it'll behave.
Mine was in DFU when restoring, it's something I always do.
Blighter
28-06-2010, 21:30
Mine was in DFU when restoring, it's something I always do.
Same here :)
Yup, it seems to be alive.
I've had a couple of times when my 3GS has run out of memory since the upgrade. The results were Safari crashed (twice), and CoPilot complained about not having enough memory. This never knowingly happened before.
I assume it's the new 'background' thing so is there any way to clean things up without a restart?
Dymetrie
04-07-2010, 11:51
I assume it's the new 'background' thing so is there any way to clean things up without a restart?
Double click the home button to open up the 'open app' bar.
Press and hold any app icon.
Tap the no entry (for some reason) icon on the top left of the app icon for every app you want to close completely.
Smile :)
Does that actually close them, or just remove them from the history? I was under the impression it was the latter because they were still there post-reboot. :)
Dymetrie
04-07-2010, 12:09
Seems to shut them down for me.
eg: if I play Bejeweleed 2, then close it and reopen it's in the same place. If I use the method above to close it then it has to reload before I can play again.
Other than that, I have no idea :p
Just confirmed it does as you say (also using Bejeweled 2), so it does both then. And yes, I did just reboot again to confirm I wasn't imagining things. :)
Thanks!
Note to self: Must keep history clean in future. :)
Weird I can't bring up the multi-task thing if I double click the home menu... how do you enable that? Or is it only for the 3GS and above?
It isn't on the 3G. Apple claim the 3G hardware isn't capable of the background feature, and given all the reports of slow-downs without it, they're probably right.
My 3GS isn't as smooth as it used to be either - though that might have been related to my memory issues.
not liking it.
Apps especially safari crash often. Phone is sluggish when typing. Adds nothing good to the experience.
even sliding from one Home to screen to teh other can leave me with a black screen for a few seconds. gggrrrr and restore does change anything either.
:confused: Mines a 3g and it downloaded and updated it on it's own accord, how do I go back to the old one
how do I go back to the old one
There are a couple of methods in either this thread or the iPhone 4 thread, I can't remember which.
However it doesn't work particularly well. You need to mess about with a library file and use the terminal to connect to the phone to make it work after you restore. Then if you ever restore again, you need to do the same frig. It's because the baseband is also upgraded and that makes downgrading very difficult (officially, it's not possible).
How annoying, nearly every time it runs out of battery it needs to restore. :(
works amazingly well on new hardware and i can't wait to see it on the ipad. can't quite believe the mass of problems it's created on the previous platforms though.
Blighter
08-07-2010, 12:16
To be honest, if they didn't release it for <3GS then there would have been uproar.
It was a lose/lose for Apple imo.
I'm loving the new software, makes the whole experience much smoother. Apart from the initial problem I had on install, it's been perfect. Faster, slicker, better. And the multitasking is great - before I used a streaming radio app that would shut if I got a text or wanted to do something else. Now I can just do it and it stays on!
I agree Kitten. I really liked the new software. The phone was faster and I found the multitasking very useful. Unfortunately, my iPhone finally died on Tuesday night. It displayed an error, stopped working unless it was plugged into the power cable and lost all network connection. I've FINALLY sent it off to the insurers to see if they can fix it. Not overly optimistic!!
:( Bye bye iPhone. Hope the insurers do sort it for you.
I'm in agreement too. I'm loving iOS4. Got most of my Apps on the home screen now where they might actually get used. This is good. I even found I could get at all my Exchange folders today (apparently it was possible with iOS3 too, but I never found it).
Memory management needs to be sorted though. Multitasking is a great idea but having to remember to manually close apps to prevent the phone running out of memory isn't. You can tell when it's going to happen though because everything gets sluggish and jumpy.
Blighter
08-07-2010, 23:51
Memory management needs to be sorted though. Multitasking is a great idea but having to remember to manually close apps to prevent the phone running out of memory isn't. You can tell when it's going to happen though because everything gets sluggish and jumpy.
I've not had any issue with this at all, even with about 5 lines of apps open.
I'm sure I read that it doesn't store them in RAM when they aren't in use (i.e. on display)?
Depends on the app I believe. I've had Safari give up and die before I started manually intervening with memory management and not had it happen since. Apps like Mail definitely stay in RAM (they have to).
Also had a GPS app (CoPilot) complain that it had run out of memory. Was fine after rebooting.
Blighter
09-07-2010, 00:03
Mail/Phone/SMS/iPod always stay open, and always have done before iOS4.
I was under the impression that other apps do a very similar thing to Window's hibernate (but on a much smaller scale)?
On a side note, I've noticed Angry Birds seems to kill my battery faster then TomTom/Google Earth :(
I've not had any memory problems myself apart from maybe once or twice where things have slowed. I've not cleared out the app tray for a couple of weeks now.
Don't think I'd rebooted it post-upgrade so might just have needed that. I've had no bother since so I'll leave it be and see what happens.
I dont even know how to close the 'app tray' and it's never happened to me! Is this a JB thing?
Assuming 3GS or newer...
Double click the home button to open the tray.
Hold any tray icon until it shakes.
Click the red minus on the thing(s) you want to get rid of/close.
Click home button. Click home again to close the tray.
as said, the multitasking is more like fast app switching and state saving unless the app in question is using one of the specific background APIs, like the music one for spotify.
though location services and task completion aren't always as obvious but i don't think many apps make use of them. ( except maybe co-pilot but im sure it'll be updated again if it's causing issues)
Didn't know you could double click the home button! Thought that was new with 4.0! ;D
Previous version I think it brought up your phone favourites, which I never used. Definitely more useful now then! :)
Wonder if Google Maps uses the background location service. Might account for things if so.
Blighter
10-07-2010, 02:07
Previous version I think it brought up your phone favourites, which I never used. Definitely more useful now then! :)
Wonder if Google Maps uses the background location service. Might account for things if so.
There is a blue arrow icon that shows up if an app is using location services, even if in the background.
LeperousDust
15-07-2010, 12:10
Ouch:
http://tv.gawker.com/5587280/how-does-an-iphone-3g-running-ios-4-fare-when-replicating-apples-first-commercial
Lot's of people asking to roll back it seems...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/33985/apple-ios4-401-update-released
4.0.1 released.
TinkerBell
15-07-2010, 20:14
I have yet to upgrade my phone andni don't know whether I should after hearing some of the horror stories about the update! Eeeek!
I'm glad I did, obviously it didn't break like poor Kate's, but it's awesome now! Multitasking & folders have changed it so much it's like a new phone!
I have yet to upgrade my phone andni don't know whether I should after hearing some of the horror stories about the update! Eeeek!
if you've got a 3GS it's totally worth it and great. 3g just can't handle it though.
Same!
Well, except for multitasking going wrong on me, but that's a minor inconvenience.
Going to be interesting to hear what they say tomorrow. Market analysts are suggesting it's been a bit of a PR disaster so far. I can see their point. Wonder if anyone will ask about iPhone 3G performance. Wonder if the answer will be 'upgrade then'.
. Wonder if the answer will be 'upgrade then'.
It better not be, I don't want to "upgrade" to a phone that costs £400 and offers absolutely nothing of use over a 3g. Couldn't care less about multitasking. What do you guys do, to warrant multitasking on a tiny screen.
Wonder if 4.01 will resolve any of the slow down issues on 3g :(
My iPhone 4 is refusing to update to 4.0.1, I'm stuck in a restore loop where it just about completes and then I get an error 9 which I've never seen before.
Quite a few reports of that, even with 4.0. Only 'solution' I've seen so far is deleting the last iTunes backup, which worked for one person.
I'm happy with the updat to iOS4 and now 4.01 is out we should be seeing a JB pretty soon :)
LeperousDust
16-07-2010, 13:06
It better not be, I don't want to "upgrade" to a phone that costs £400...
You can't deny that's the apple ethos though, it's kinda what you buy into and is given...
4.0.1 is out and supposedly has AVRCP :D
You can't deny that's the apple ethos though, it's kinda what you buy into and is given...
Not really, Apple has an upgrade for the sake of upgrade culture. but it hasn't stopped products working before. You can still happily use first gen Ipods.
Some one should use sales of goods act on them, item should be fit for purpose and last a reasonable amount of time. Wouldn't be hard proving apple fault either as they work fine for old software. Or is that clause limited to hardware only and not software.
Chuckles
16-07-2010, 14:39
4.0.1 is out and supposedly has AVRCP :D
That's the 4.1 beta I think fella. The onlything in the changelog for 4.0.1 is the fudging on the reported signal.
I have a sneaky feeling they'll hold off the JB until 4.1 is out.
Dymetrie
16-07-2010, 14:58
That's the 4.1 beta I think fella. The onlything in the changelog for 4.0.1 is the fudging on the reported signal.
I have a sneaky feeling they'll hold off the JB until 4.1 is out.
Yup, stuff here (http://justanotheriphoneblog.com/wordpress/iphone-os-software/ios-4-1-beta-1-supports-bluetooth-avrcp) about it...
Also agree that the JB won't be until 4.1 is released.
Anyway, just updated to 4.0.1 (no problem at all with the update) and still can't get the death grip to work :p
I has a fixed 3GS with IOS 4.0 and I LIKE it :D
Dymetrie
16-07-2010, 15:41
I has a fixed 3GS with IOS 4.0 and I LIKE it :D
HURRAH!! :D
TinkerBell
16-07-2010, 16:44
I am currently updating the software on my phone and I am somewhat scared!!!
Not really, Apple has an upgrade for the sake of upgrade culture. but it hasn't stopped products working before. You can still happily use first gen Ipods.
Some one should use sales of goods act on them, item should be fit for purpose and last a reasonable amount of time. Wouldn't be hard proving apple fault either as they work fine for old software. Or is that clause limited to hardware only and not software.
Well, it's not a forced update so I doubt you would get anywhere in legal channels.
I has a fixed 3GS with IOS 4.0 and I LIKE it :D
Wohoo! Just in time for iOS 4.0.1 :eek: :p
The 3GS spontaneous reboot issue is getting some media attention now they're done iPhone4 bashing.
wooooo bigger bars, less of them, but bigger ones!
According to a couple of colleagues with a 3GS it's an appauling fix. Whereas they use to have 1-3 bars with 4.0, with 4.0.1 they now have no service when they're sitting at their desks. Stonking.
I barely have 1 bar of signal when I'm at home so I'll be avoiding this update just incase it ruins that too.
There's a very good explanation here (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3821/iphone-4-redux-analyzing-apples-ios-41-signal-fix) of what's been done to the bars. I'm finding I'm getting a consistent one bar signal at home where before it would drop out and that ties in with what that link says.
The side effect is that the iPhone now displays fewer bars in most places, and users that haven’t been reporting signal in dBm will time see the - perhaps a bit shocking - reality of locations previously denoted as having excellent signal.
That sums it up quite nicely and seems accurate to me here anyway.
I'm leaving the update alone as I don't need it. Why don't they just make it simple and have a one bar on/off signal ;D
You either get a signal or you don't :D
LeperousDust
18-07-2010, 11:55
I just see that update as lose lose for them, either they were essentially lying about the signal and bigging it up originally, or they're lying and fudging it now, and either way that's not great. I have no idea what other mobile phone makers do to display their signal, but at least they're consistent?...
//Edit: That anandtech link explain things very well, i still don't understand why this isn't standardised actually, and also apple now show signal bars for a higher range, but is that extra low end of the scale really usable in phone terms? Could one bar mean "no signal" if you understand?
You'll get it with any future update anyway.
In fact they've lowered the level at which you get one bar so it should still show one bar when the signal is weaker that it was before and that agrees with what I'm seeing here.
Springboard has started randomly scattering icons all over the place (including off the screen). No idea what's going on there but locking and unlocking fixes things - at least temporarily. Odd. :/
Undecided about the 4.0.1 update as I don't need the 'fix' but might want to clean things out with a restore.
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