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Dymetrie
09-10-2006, 20:09
It's coming :) (http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/sites/torchwood/)
Wonder if it'll actually be any good or just a load of rubbish, badly made, spin-off series....
Already seen the trailers. Doesn't look too shabby.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchwood/
Cheeky. :eek:
Dymetrie
09-10-2006, 20:17
http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchwood/
Cheeky. :eek:
That's why I didn't link that... Didn't think anyone else would have the password :p
There's a box directly under 'bbc.co.uk'. Click it and type 221006 and press return. ;)
Tomorrow. ;)
And the BBC site is working now.
The trailers look excellent, almost like a UK version of X-Files, even though I never watched X-Files. Especially not with the moonpig.
I'm really looking forward to it.
Dymetrie
22-10-2006, 01:04
The trailers look excellent, almost like a UK version of X-Files, even though I never watched X-Files. Especially not with the moonpig.
I'm really looking forward to it.
For some reason I have the first 3 series of X-Files....
Looking forward to this tomorrow (well today, but I suppose I'll have to sleep at some point...)
I hope its good but UK scifi never works unless it doesn't take itself too seriously and is kinda cheesey. Dr Who works because its a laugh as does Red Dwarf. We just don't have the same production values the US does and its a shame.
Dymetrie
22-10-2006, 01:47
We just don't have the same production values the US does and its a shame.
I'd contest this on the basis that we don't need them.
RD in the US was rubbish, the big budget American funded film of Dr Who was enjoyable but nowhere near as good as any of the series...
Britain can do it better, for less money, and with better effect :)
Maybe its just me then, but I prefer big budget American SciFi like the new Battlestar Galactica, Stargate and B5. I just can't get passed the tacky looking aliens and things. I need a great story to be backed by a great score with great acting and great production. Like I said about those 2 shows, they work as British scifi because they are designed to be cheesy. British scifi that tries to be serious just looks cheesy and doesn't work.
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I need a great story to be backed by a great score with great acting and great production.
How'd you get on with the latest Doctor Who then? Murray Gold's score was absolutely superb (if a bit loud at times)
How'd you get on with the latest Doctor Who then? Murray Gold's score was absolutely superb (if a bit loud at times)
On the whole its ok. I don't really recall much of it. Its not something that was memorable for me. The score on the new BSG series is beyond fantastic. I love music thats dares to be different and it is. It adds so much to the show. Speilberg said it best about the Back to the Future score, that without there would be no film. The score is the film. I have both BSG soundtracks and listen to them quite a lot. The music in Farscape was also very well done, as was B5's. I've got as much B5 music as I could afford when it was out and there are some tracks I just can't bring myself to listen to from the final episode. Unfortunately the Dr Who score doesn't do anything like that for me. Its just there, nice background music. Maybe its because the show is lighthearted and sometimes cheesy so I can't fall in love with it like BSG/B5's emotional rollercoaster.
Hmmmm. It was very British Scifi. Cheesy fx, an attempt at a "cool" Range Rover by adding neons and bits, and well I dunno. Some funny moments and interesting bits but its no X-Files. We just can't do Scifi. It always seems so amatuerish especially when the US produce shows such as Firefly, Farscape, BSG, Angel and Buffy. Real character driven shows with great emotional rollercoasters.
Reading some of the comments on the web seems to confirm that RTD just wanted to add sex and swearing to Dr Who. I'll keep watching and hoping that it progresses.
Oh big hairy rats nuts. I forgot this was on and didn't Sky+ it.
:(
It's repeated tonight I think and then on BBC2 on Wednesday?
I enjoyed it, I still think it's trying to do X-Files a bit but not really sure that it's there. Won't be letting the kids watch it though which will really give young master Feek the hump as he's a big Doctor Who fan and has been looking forward to this for a while but he's just turned 11 and I think he's a bit young for it!
I hope the Sky HD box hasn't thrown a hissy fit and not recorded it, guess I'll find out on Saturday.
As Mic was on nights and I was not feeling well, it has been taped using old fashioned VHS.
We'll probably watch it tonight or tomorrow night but I don't mind lending it out if people can get to see it/miss the repeats/etc
Stan_Lite
23-10-2006, 10:27
Will have to wait until Wednesday to see it - been looking forward to this.
I was a bit miffed they put it on BBC3 - bloody BBC, make a show I want to watch and then put it on a channel that only 70% of people can access. When they make something good with my licence fee money (well, my employers money), I'd like to be able to watch it straight away and not second hand :angry: I'll have to spend the next day and a half trying to avoid spoilers.
Stan :)
Matblack
23-10-2006, 10:33
I suspect its all over the newsgroups by now, I will watch it at my leisure :)
MB
Stan_Lite
23-10-2006, 10:49
I suspect its all over the newsgroups by now, I will watch it at my leisure :)
MB
I can't get signed up to any newsgroups - I only found one which accepted Switch/Maestro and it wouldn't work :( can't find any which take Paypal either.
Stan :)
I pay by paypal for NG access, I'll sort out a link for you tonight.
Stan_Lite
23-10-2006, 11:47
I pay by paypal for NG access, I'll sort out a link for you tonight.
Good man :cool:
Stan :)
Failing that, I've got digital copies of both episodes (save the last minute of the first where the recorder decided to cut off early).
It's a bit too cheesy for me.
I'm glad they showed the first 2 episodes together because the first one was boring - I know they were introducing the series and the characters but at every step of the way I expected Will Smith to jump out and start singing.
Second ep was tons better and I am looking forward to the next one :)
Another random though - if we spray painted Gwen pink, could we rename her Arlene?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6077078.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6077078.stm
A record number of viewers tuned in to watch a bad knock off of Angel ;)
I think you demand too much from your Brit sci-fi.
It's not meant to be hollywood effects-laden and big-budget. :p
I think you demand too much from your Brit sci-fi.
It's not meant to be hollywood effects-laden and big-budget. :p
I do appreciate that but Angel, season 1, episode 2: Lonely Hearts (http://www.tv.com/angel/lonely-hearts/episode/75/summary.html?tag=ep_list;ep_title;1).
Doyle receives a new vision that sends the group to the club scene. They soon learn they are looking for a serial killer who has been seeking his prey in D'Oblique, a local singles bar.
Its the same show. Even if you ignore the budget issue, the music wasn't as good, the location was Cardiff vs LA, and the writing just wasn't as snappy as Angel was either. It really did feel like a cheap knock off. Its still just a kids show with gratitous swearing and sex to make it seem like an adult show. Where as Angel always did feel a lot darker and more grown up than Buffy was through good storys, writing, direction and plot. All I ask from my scifi these days is that its character driven. Farscape, Angel, BSG, B5, Firefly, even Life on Mars had better writing and better character driven stories.
Edit: Haha. Davies: 'Buffy', 'Angel' inspired 'Torchwood' (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds38295.html). Well duh.
"I first had the idea for the series while I was working on Casanova three or four years ago, before Doctor Who was even mentioned," said Davies. "I'd been watching shows like Buffy and Angel, and I'd said to [Torchwood executive producer] Julie Gardner - 'why don't we make a series like that?'"
Like that? Its a badly made remake!
Dymetrie
25-10-2006, 19:56
I do appreciate that but Angel, season 1, episode 2: Lonely Hearts (http://www.tv.com/angel/lonely-hearts/episode/75/summary.html?tag=ep_list;ep_title;1).
Remember this?
X-Files, Season 1, Episode 14: Genderbender (http://www.tv.com/the-x-files/genderbender/episode/504/summary.html?tag=ep_list;title;13)
Not exactly the same as either Angel or Torchwood but certainly following a similar theme. A supernatural being stalking singles in clubs and bars. Saying that the Alien being possessing a woman from Cardiiff and feeding on the sexual energy of it's prey isn't exactly the same as a parasitic demon hunting singles in a bar to possess their bodies leaving its previous host as an eviscerated shell.
Its the same show. Even if you ignore the budget issue, the music wasn't as good, the location was Cardiff vs LA, and the writing just wasn't as snappy as Angel was either. It really did feel like a cheap knock off. Its still just a kids show with gratitous swearing and sex to make it seem like an adult show. Where as Angel always did feel a lot darker and more grown up than Buffy was through good storys, writing, direction and plot. All I ask from my scifi these days is that its character driven. Farscape, Angel, BSG, B5, Firefly, even Life on Mars had better writing and better character driven stories.
I agree that it doesn't feel quite the same, but then again it was hardly likely to. Angel was spawned after a feature film and 3 seasons of Buffy where the leading character was a major character in the original series. So far this incarnation of Doctor Who has had 2 seasons and the main character for the spin off only featured in a few (3?) episodes of the first season. British Sci-Fi is only just getting back onto its feet and starting to churn out good shows. And they have to churn out good shows because they don't have the ridiculous budgets available in the states to make 1 good series for every 10 that are a pile of rubbish.
Edit: Haha. Davies: 'Buffy', 'Angel' inspired 'Torchwood' (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds38295.html). Well duh.
"I first had the idea for the series while I was working on Casanova three or four years ago, before Doctor Who was even mentioned," said Davies. "I'd been watching shows like Buffy and Angel, and I'd said to [Torchwood executive producer] Julie Gardner - 'why don't we make a series like that?'"
Like that? Its a badly made remake!
Many years ago I read Danse Macabre by Stephen King. This was his history of horror where he explored the origins and themes of horror from the first writings to the current (well current at the time of writing) horror novels, TV and film. In this thesis he explained that there were only three types of horror story. I don't remember exactly what they were but I believe they were: the creature, the fiend and the place (I could be wrong). These three themes prevailed throughout all horror from classic to modern and despite the diferences in the stories they all fell back to these themes.
Is it completely unreasonable to transpose King's 3 themes from horror to other genres such as sci-fi, drama, thriller? If we accept that it is then there are only so many different stories available and it is only the settings, chracterisations and the journey from the start to the end.
What I'm trying to say is that OK, you don't like it, but you're basing your dislike on 2 episodes of a series which hasn't got the same amount of money behind it, or the history (although the history of Doctor Who is immense this is a serious leap away from it), or the expnedability that many US Sci-Fi shows have, and is trying to be revolutionary compared to most other BBC productions..
Remember this?
X-Files, Season 1, Episode 14: Genderbender (http://www.tv.com/the-x-files/genderbender/episode/504/summary.html?tag=ep_list;title;13)
Not exactly the same as either Angel or Torchwood but certainly following a similar theme. A supernatural being stalking singles in clubs and bars. Saying that the Alien being possessing a woman from Cardiiff and feeding on the sexual energy of it's prey isn't exactly the same as a parasitic demon hunting singles in a bar to possess their bodies leaving its previous host as an eviscerated shell.
Exactly. Its been done to death. X-Files, Angel, Species... Do something new!
I agree that it doesn't feel quite the same, but then again it was hardly likely to. Angel was spawned after a feature film and 3 seasons of Buffy where the leading character was a major character in the original series. So far this incarnation of Doctor Who has had 2 seasons and the main character for he spin off only featured in a few (3?) episodes of the first season. British Sci-Fi is only just getting back onto its feet and starting to churn out good shows. And they have to churn out good shos because they don't have the ridiculous budgets available in the states to make 1 good series for every 10 that are a pile of rubbish.
I don't buy that logic at all. I've started watching Heroes recently which has been fantastic from ep 1. Its only on ep5. Its just come out of nowhere. The same with the new Battlestar series. They just hit the ground running and don't let up. Screw all the money talk, these shows are just better written plain and simple.
If we accept that it is then there are only so many different stories available and it is only the settings, chracterisations and the journey from the start to the end.
Yeah but to publically say "I liked Angel" and then make episode 2 of your show an exact copy of Angel ep2 is a little more than just a little dumb. Take a season 4 episode or one from another show if you *really* have to. Don't be so bloody blatent.
What I'm trying to say is that OK, you don't like it, but you're basing your dislike on 2 episodes of a series which hasn't got the same amount of money behind it, or the history (although the history of Doctor Who is immense this is a serious leap away from it), or the expnedability that many US Sci-Fi shows have, and is trying to be revolutionary compared to most other BBC productions..
Shows don't need a great history behind them. As I said I watched Heroes and after the first I was hooked. Brand new show not based on any previous shows. Boom, good story, hooked. Hell, even Life on Mars was vastly superior and thats British and by the BBC. Did it have a huge budget, I don't now. I do know that the writing was excellent and that it was actually for adults rather than being a kids show with gratuitous sex and swearing. "See its for adults cos he just swore while shagging someone." Lastly, wtf was all the standing on rooftops for? Nothing! "Oh they did it Angel, lets do it in Tourchwood." Gah! Its just soooo sickening.
From what I've heard, Heroes isn't what you'd call true sci-fi. BSG, B5, and to some extent Angel and X-files are much more long-term character development based, so much more involving.
The new Doctor Who (unlike the old), and also Torchwood, seem to be taking the Star Trek style approach. One, two, maybe three at most episode storylines that you can dip and out of as you see fit. They're much more aimed for entertainment than for gripping storylines.
Argueing that one series copies the ideas from another is moot. All of the Trek-style shows do that to varying degrees. There are only so many variations on a theme, so it's pretty likely these days that if you come up with a story, someone else already did something similar before you. This is, in large part, why the later Trek shows got more and more contrived. It's unavoidable.
If it's not your thing, fair enough, just say so. I have no argument with that. It's personal choice.
Theres a difference I think between being inspired by something and doing your own take on something, like the remake of BSG, and saying you like something and doing a bad copy of it. The most recent ep of BSG was simply *THE* best thing on TV since B5: Severed Dreams. It was simply incredibly directed. I'm still riding the high from watching it. Just mind blowing.
Imho Tourchwood is just bad. The tacky Range Rover, the silly aerial shots, showing a guy ****ing, the lesbian kissing, etc. It just feels so eugh, so amatuerish. Why is it that the Americans can get things right and we can't? I think a lot of scifi fans these days are really enjoying gripping storylines with seasonal arcs. Even Star Trek bended and the last few seasons of DS9 were done that way. You can do more with your characters over a year than an episode. Basically I'm just really disappointed. The last season of Dr Who had some fantastic episodes and the idea of a darker, more grown up version sounded great. Its just such a shame. The BBC can do shows like Hustle, Life on Mars, Spooks and things why can't they get this right?
Stan_Lite
25-10-2006, 21:05
It's on BBC2 now if anybody missed it first time round.
Stan :)
Dymetrie
25-10-2006, 21:39
Argueing that one series copies the ideas from another is moot. All of the Trek-style shows do that to varying degrees.
This is partly what I was trying to get at with my previous post, although I must say that I agree with:
Yeah but to publically say "I liked Angel" and then make episode 2 of your show an exact copy of Angel ep2 is a little more than just a little dumb.
however as you yourself proved then even by the time Whedon did it in Angel it already had at least 2 recent incarnations
If it's not your thing, fair enough, just say so. I have no argument with that. It's personal choice.
Very true, I stated this in my earlier post but the Captain has said it more eloquently than me :embarassed:
Theres a difference I think between being inspired by something and doing your own take on something, like the remake of BSG, and saying you like something and doing a bad copy of it. The most recent ep of BSG was simply *THE* best thing on TV since B5: Severed Dreams. It was simply incredibly directed. I'm still riding the high from watching it. Just mind blowing.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I watched the first season of the new BSG and enjoyed it, however due to some turmoil I've managed to miss most of the second which I am somewhat perturbed about and am sure I will watch it at some time in the future. B5 I never managed to get into but do enjoy when I see it.
Do you wonder why US sci-fi is so much better than Uk sci-fi? And no I don't mean the budget. How many sci-fi shows from the last 20 years you can think of. Then think about how many of them were British and how many American. Then think about how many of them were good.
This works well with sci-fi films as well. There have been literally thousands of sci-fi movies released in the past year, I guarantee the vast majority of them were American and that the vast majority of them were rubbish. This is what the US has over the UK. Volume. They can happily produce hundreds of bad movies and tv shows (not just sci-fi) and they don't care because if even one of that hundred makes money then they're doing well. They have the money to cover it and when they get given something good then they'll do their damnest to capitalise on it.
Taking BSG as an example. The original series was tacky and cheesy. When the remake pilot occured then the production company pumped a good deal of money into it (probably on a par with the amount of money which was pumped into the first new season of Doctor Who). And guess what, they got it right! If they hadn't then they would've thought of something else to do, but because it was popular and merited more then they're pumped more money into it and luckily have managed to perpetuate, and improve on, the good start.
They had the opportunity to take the risk and luckily for them (and us) it worked. The BBC doesn't have this option. It must market to the masses as if it doesn't it spawns debates about what we pay our licence fee for. However in my opinion then they have made a good begining with Torchwood which they will hopefully improve on even more. This will be immediately obvious on sunday when the viewing figures for the third episode come in.
Imho Tourchwood is just bad. The tacky Range Rover, the silly aerial shots, showing a guy ****ing, the lesbian kissing, etc. It just feels so eugh, so amatuerish. Why is it that the Americans can get things right and we can't?
I'm not going to say that your opinion is wrong as it is your opinion and to some extent I can agree with it. Yes the Range Rover is a bit tacky, but what would you have them drive? A Ford Anglia? Or a Cylon Raider (:p).
Everything does aerial shots these days and Imo I think this may be something to do with the main character. We've already found out that he 'can't die' and that the last trace of 'Captain Jack Harkness' was from the second world war. Maybe his love of high places is a mixture of these, he could have been a pilot during the war and combining that with his inability to die he may be testing his 'fear of death'. I don't know, I'm just speculating...
The ****ing, the lesbian kissing, another device to open up the interest in the show (admittedly to the lowest common denominator) maybe?
It may seem amateurish and you may feel that the americans can get it right when we can't but you have to remember that we don't have the span of experience that they have in producing or even writing this kind of stuff.
I think a lot of scifi fans these days are really enjoying gripping storylines with seasonal arcs. Even Star Trek bended and the last few seasons of DS9 were done that way. You can do more with your characters over a year than an episode.
I agree with you entirely. And the day that a British production company has the interest and ability to do this kind of thing (in anything other than a soap) then we may well be in for a surprise. The British TV and Film industry is merely a minnow compared to the shark of the US and unfortunately a lot of British talent is tempted to head 'over the pond'.
Basically I'm just really disappointed. The last season of Dr Who had some fantastic episodes and the idea of a darker, more grown up version sounded great. Its just such a shame. The BBC can do shows like Hustle, Life on Mars, Spooks and things why can't they get this right?
Practice and time are the only things you can hope for here. This is a fairly new genre for the BBC to be tackling on anything other than a cult scale but hopefully they'll be able to get the hang of it and get better.
Anyway, I think I may have gone slightly off topic so the only thing left for me to say is...
It's on BBC2 now if anybody missed it first time round.
Stan :)
however as you yourself proved then even by the time Whedon did it in Angel it already had at least 2 recent incarnations
But at least it wasn't cheesy ;)
Do you wonder why US sci-fi is so much better than Uk sci-fi? And no I don't mean the budget. How many sci-fi shows from the last 20 years you can think of. Then think about how many of them were British and how many American. Then think about how many of them were good.
Quantum Leap, BSG, Farscape, B5, DS9, TNG, X-Files, Angel, Buffy, Stargate, Firefly. Most of them were great due to character driven plots which comes from good writing most of all.
Taking BSG as an example. The original series was tacky and cheesy. When the remake pilot occured then the production company pumped a good deal of money into it (probably on a par with the amount of money which was pumped into the first new season of Doctor Who). And guess what, they got it right! If they hadn't then they would've thought of something else to do, but because it was popular and merited more then they're pumped more money into it and luckily have managed to perpetuate, and improve on, the good start.
They had the opportunity to take the risk and luckily for them (and us) it worked. The BBC doesn't have this option. It must market to the masses as if it doesn't it spawns debates about what we pay our licence fee for. However in my opinion then they have made a good begining with Torchwood which they will hopefully improve on even more. This will be immediately obvious on sunday when the viewing figures for the third episode come in.
The biggest issue with Tourchwood wasn't the money, it was the writing. That is where US shows and UK shows succeed. 24, Hustle, Farscape, Life on Mars all succeed due to good writing. B5 was done on a shoe string budget and the revolutionised television. The first show to do 16:9 format. The first show to use CG fx instead of models. The first show to have a 5 year story arc.
I'm not going to say that your opinion is wrong as it is your opinion and to some extent I can agree with it. Yes the Range Rover is a bit tacky, but what would you have them drive? A Ford Anglia? Or a Cylon Raider (:p).
The Range Rover wasn't tacky. Adding neons and a body kit to it WAS tacky. Why couldn't they drive a normal Range Rover, or a sports model? They look fine. Why did they have to cheesy it up with cliched props to make it look "Scifi"? Simply because they just don't get real Scifi imho.
Everything does aerial shots these days and Imo I think this may be something to do with the main character. We've already found out that he 'can't die' and that the last trace of 'Captain Jack Harkness' was from the second world war. Maybe his love of high places is a mixture of these, he could have been a pilot during the war and combining that with his inability to die he may be testing his 'fear of death'. I don't know, I'm just speculating...
I'd say clutching at straws ;) RTD has already admitted that the show is based on Angel and he's clearly reproducing the scenes from that show, except they just don't work.
It may seem amateurish and you may feel that the americans can get it right when we can't but you have to remember that we don't have the span of experience that they have in producing or even writing this kind of stuff.
Yet we did Life on Mars. True it was more drama than scifi but if you watch BSG or B5 they are more drama than scifi these days. They know that its the characters that people care about not the technobabble.
I accept its new and I accept that we don't do scifi much but when we do scifi its always the same cheesy stuff, which works for Dr Who and Red Dwarf but if you're trying to do a dark show like Angel don't copy/paste it and do a bad job and don't then admit that its based on Angel either ;) Firefly was brilliant because Joss Whedon knew about scifi and he knew people had seen it all before. So what did he do? He gave the opposite answer to every cliche in the book and the show worked so well.
Mal: [angrily] Do you want to run this ship?
Jayne: Yes!
Mal: Well… you can't!
In every other show where the captain says "Do you wanna run this ship?" people know he's the captain and he means business so you back down. In Firefly who cares and its just brilliant because of that. Thats what a good director/writer does. Takes something and puts their spin on it and makes it better. At the moment I'm not seeing the "making it better" part in Torchwood, hopefully I'll be proven wrong but as long as the most secret organisation in the world drives a Range Rover with fraking neons on it, I can't see it happening :D
One line summary: Pete doesn't like it.
It is cheesy, it is British (or Welsh). If that's not your bag, so be it. I'll not be coming to barge down your door over it. It's just a TV show.
/attempts to save thread from sucking itself into a quantum singularity. ;D
Dymetrie
26-10-2006, 06:41
/attempts to save thread from sucking itself into a quantum singularity. ;D
/attempts to save thread from sucking itself into a quantum singularity. ;D
Surely you mean a quantum duality ;)
One line summary: Pete doesn't like it.
It is cheesy, it is British (or Welsh). If that's not your bag, so be it. I'll not be coming to barge down your door over it. It's just a TV show.
/attempts to save thread from sucking itself into a quantum singularity. ;D
I'm just disappointed really :) I really enjoyed Dr Who and the thought of a grown up version sounded great but I did fear that we couldn't pull it off and I felt we didn't.
Surely you mean a quantum duality ;)
Nah. It was just this thread causing a local time dilation event. :)
Anyway, it was never going to suit everyone, but we've only seen two episodes. I'm prepared to give it the benefit of a few more before making final judgement.
we couldn't pull it off
*snigger*
Matblack
26-10-2006, 10:34
I quite liked it, so did Heather who has been coverted by BSG and B5 and has to my great suprise become a bit of a SciFi enthusiast!
As soon as the first one finished she wanted to watch the second episode. :)
I found these first two OK, nothing great but very much in the Who mould and quite entertaining.
Is it me or do I have some recolection of Captain Jack batting for both teams? I'm sure it was aluded to in DW and in the last episode of Torchwood, something about him not being fussy about what he beded as long as it was attractive? Could it be a lead on to a bit of Kirkesqe alien humping I wonder?
MB
Yes, in the future there is no distinction, it was made clear in Dr. Who and it's already been mentioned in Torchwood that he bowls from both ends.
It's typecasting John Barrowman, he's that way inclined anyway.
Matblack
26-10-2006, 11:04
Yes, in the future there is no distinction, it was made clear in Dr. Who and it's already been mentioned in Torchwood that he bowls from both ends.
It's typecasting John Barrowman, he's that way inclined anyway.
Thought so, when I mentioned it to Heather she seemed a bit shocked which made me wonder if I'd dreamed it (which would be slightly worrying :D )
MB
Aww feek, you just spoiled some potential wind-up material!
I'm sure Captain Jack mentioned in one of the episodes that he'd been pregnant as well. :eek:
Well, thought I may as well wake this thread up.
So, who's continued to watch? And has it been worth it?
It's fair to say the X-Files parallels have continued, but I'd say it's not doing too bad considering.
Last weeks. Eeeew, peeled dead bodies. With maggots.
Loving it, as is Janet (which is praise itself)
Dymetrie
24-11-2006, 23:37
I was very impressed with last week's episode.
It wasn't supernatural, it wasn't anything to do with aliens..
It was just sick ****s that were cannabalistic... Damn clever if you ask me :0
Definite sofa-hiding potential for sure.
I've not watched it in it's complete goryness, but I've seen enough. :)
I was very impressed with last week's episode.
It wasn't supernatural, it wasn't anything to do with aliens..
It was just sick ****s that were cannabalistic... Damn clever if you ask me :0
It was very well done last week, I particularly liked the whole thing with her trying to come to terms with what she'd witnessed, what they'd done. To even begin to understand that some humans would do that. I guess its always easy to assume aliens might like to view us as food, but other humans? Maybe other cannibalistic cultures would be wondering what was so surprising about that episode but for anyone from our cultural background..
Its got better I'll admit that but its still a stretch to believe that these people are the best of the best. Also, I felt the ending was tacked on for shock value. Their relationship has just appeared out of nowhere.
If you watched Torchwood Declassified you'd have known about the relationship thing. :)
I agree about the best of the best. They're clearly not.
Oh right. Seems that something that big should have been hinted at in other episodes I feel.
Dymetrie
11-12-2006, 00:00
Torchwood just made my sister do a little cry :p
I've missed a few of them due to forgetting to record them. :/
Oh well, repeat then. Same with Planet Earth.
Torchwood just made my sister do a little cry :p
Aw :) That was a lovely episode but I just kept expecting some scifi explination. It was a scifi show after all. I think the danger of doing a show where its meant to be an X-Files type show meant that I was always waiting for the explination. Maybe the eye did something. It never happened. I know I know, I should just accept that episode for what it was, and it was lovely but I'm very critical :) I really enjoyed last weeks. Its better but it still needs work.
Torchwood isn't all sci-fi. The one about the village wasn't.
Think I'm going to have to get DVDs. I've missed at least two decent episodes now.
Dunno what it is then. I think the one about the village was meant to be scifi. Some alien creature killing people but with a twist. Playing on the audience.
The twist was the most shocking part of it all.
A rather good review (http://feelinglistless.blogspot.com/2006/12/review-2006_11.html) of Torchwood's narrative flaws.
A rather good review (http://feelinglistless.blogspot.com/2006/12/review-2006_11.html) of Torchwood's narrative flaws.
Bloody hell that read like a Drama essay!
I didn't need to click that link to know the TV show is flawed. So is Dr. Who, Star Trek, B5, BSG, and every other sci-fi series I can think of. The flaws may manifest in different ways, but they're all flawed. Sorry, but if you don't like it, press the channel up/down button and watch something else. No-one is going to come around to your house and order you to watch Torchwood on pain of death.
I've watched every episode and it has got better. I'm not bashing it for the sake of it. I'm a very critical person and I do like to talk about a show I'm interested in, both its good and bad points. I just thought that was a well wrote article. I enjoyed this weeks and last weeks. I thought they were the best so far.
Xmas special in half hour - think I'm gonna have to tape it as we're meant to be going around a friends house for the evening
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