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Just over 2 hours ago Amy was found dead (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14262237).
She was a very troubled lady, but there was no doubt she was extremely talented musician.
27 is just too young no matter what.
I hope your at peace now Amy.
It was only a matter of time ::/:
Del Lardo
23-07-2011, 19:53
A bit of a shock but not really a surprise. A wasted tallent and an example of what drug abuse can do. Probably not helped by her manager being her dealer (as well as an East End king pin).
Edit:
Joined the 27 club.....
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club
I have to admit I wasn't shocked either, when I read it on the news I thought '****, it's finally happened'. I liked her music and her voice, I genuinely beleive she was a true talent. A flawed individual and quite fragile it seems, but that doesn't take away from her talent. I think everyone knew this day would come, it was just a case of when. Still 27 is no age to go.
It's not the worst thing to have happened in the last few days to appear on the news, but still a shame.
It's very tragic. Addition is a terrible thing and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Imagine, not being strong enough to stop something that you know will eventually kill you. And yes, there have been some dreadful things happening worldwide this weekend, but I'm sorry to say that I'm still disappointed at the attitude of some people who I think of as my friends, calling Amy W a skank and a crack whore and more or less saying she deserved it while excusing themselves with an insincere platitude. No-one knows what goes on in anyone elses mind/life, so who the hell are we to judge?
What makes it even worse is that it's NOT a surprise. Everyone that hears says 'Well, we knew that was coming'. That makes it more tragic, in my eyes, not less - everyone knew this would happen but no-one could help her (and she couldn't help herself).
/rant
I must admit though, one of my first thoughts was about the Death Pool :o
My Mum told me about Amy Winehouse when she picked me up from the cinema earlier this evening. We then shed a few tears together, because it is such a sad thing to happen, regardless of the fact that we all knew it was more than likely inevitable at some point.
There have been so many sad things happen very recently. But still, Amy Winehouse's untimely death is a very sad thing. And this is from someone who has loved ones waiting to hear about the safety of their loved ones in Oslo.
Please don't try and tell me I'm a bad person for thinking a 'silly girl's expected overdose' is a sad occurance.
What I find saddest is that those around her didn't help her, probably because they were quite happy making money off the back of her with the publicity she used to get. Where are those people now?
Goodness knows Desmo, goodness knows :(
Knipples
23-07-2011, 22:09
What I find saddest is that those around her didn't help her, probably because they were quite happy making money off the back of her with the publicity she used to get. Where are those people now?
You sadly can't force someone to get help unless they themselves want it. I've cried too many tears and spent god knows how long trying to get my Dad to stop drinking, I realised about 2 years ago though, that until he wants to change and see something wrong in what he is doing, there is utterly nothing anyone can do to help him. Sadly Amy won't ever get the chance now to ask for help.
Respect her as an individual or not (and I can appreciate both sides of the argument), she was a human being like the rest of us. For better or worse, we all have our flaws. Hers just got the better of her. No-one - be they flawed singers or youngsters gunned down on an island - should have their life ended at such a young age.
Personally, I have little respect for her as a person because regardless of those around her, no-one forced her to start doing what she did (peer pressure aside, addiction generally doesn't just happen by itself). But I still have respect for the life lost and for the grieving friends and family.
Edit :- Didn't know about the drug addict husband. Well there's the peer pressure then. :(
MarcLister
23-07-2011, 23:31
RIP Amy. I've only ever heard a few seconds of her music but for her talent to have been wasted and for her to have declined in this way leading to her death, which may or may not be drink/drug related, is a sad thing for such a special telent.A bit of a shock but not really a surprise. A wasted tallent and an example of what drug abuse can do. Probably not helped by her manager being her dealer (as well as an East End king pin).Yep. When I saw this on the BBC News site I was shocked but not surprised. The way she changed from first becoming famous to her appearance after developing her drink and drug problems was quite alarming. I'm shocked about her manager/dealer though.
Edit:
Joined the 27 club.....
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_ClubWhen I saw that she was 27 I immediately thought of this 'club'.
What I find saddest is that those around her didn't help her, probably because they were quite happy making money off the back of her with the publicity she used to get. Where are those people now?Amen. Those people will probably still make money from the inevitable surge in sales of her albums. Hope they all get named and shamed.
TinkerBell
24-07-2011, 00:02
Kitten once again you have said it perfectly. I don't seem to recall her doing anything particularly nasty or harmful to anyone else. So for everyone to call her a skank and say that she deserved to die is out of line.
When people get messed up with drugs which may not have been their choice or plan they completely mess up their ability to choose anything easily from that point on. It is very sad to hear that drugs have once again taken another life. I wonder if the people who said she deserved to die were hooked on drugs would be able to get out of the mess she was in. Such a shame.
You sadly can't force someone to get help unless they themselves want it.
I understand that, but at the same time there were plenty of people around her who could probably have done much more to actually try and help. Call me cynical, but I'm wondering how much the record company actually tried to help as they probably loved the "character" as it helped to sell records and keep her in the news. I'm sure there are plenty of other "friends" around her who put their own interests above hers. What will they be thinking now and are they wondering to themselves if they could have helped more?
RIP. Loved and still love her. We all knew she'd end like this. Truly amazing musician in my personal view, who captured my Bridget Jones moments perfectly in a way that wasn't cliched or corny, just pure raw emotion.
Often played her in class and told the girls 'Amy understands me!'
Will be very very missed by me.
The way she changed from first becoming famous to her appearance after developing her drink and drug problems was quite alarming.
Saw her first years back in a small venue, before the beehive. She totally blew me away. Very sexual onstage presence in a stalking panther type way. This was before she'd got skinny and I just fell in love with her. She came across as so strong that day that it was shocking to see her in later years losing all the control she seemed to have. Her vulnerability is something else I loved about her though. She was such a mass of contradictions.Totally human, and I loved that.
I find it really disgusting that people are now using a dead soldier's name in their quest for keyboard warriorship via their facebook statuses.
I know at least one of them that is aiming it at me. Someone I thought was a very good friend of mine. She's obviously forgotten that I lived in Saudi Arabia for some of the Gulf War and that my Dad was an armourer for British Aerospace working on Tornadoes for 30 years and that I have family who served in the Gulf War and in Afghanistan.
Justsomebloke
24-07-2011, 18:02
One of our Greatest talents Gone.
R.I.P Amy :(
I'm actually really proud of all the responses here as I've seen some shocking rubbish written elsewhere.
I was horrified about Oslo, truly sickened. That doesn't mean I can't find Amy's death saddening, nor would I even compare the 2 things. Compassion is not something that we have to mete out.
Couldn't have said it better myself Roberta x
I'm suprised so many people have such contrasting opinions: some (nobody here might I add) seem vehemently pleased about her death, and others seem to be over-egging her life - "The best musical artist of the last 25/50 years" I read several times across different social networks; I'm sorry but that's definately a rose-tinted obituary.
She had a great level of soul to some of her tracks: 'Love is a losing game' for example was a really lovely, laid-bare love song and a welcome injection to the pop-charts at that time. However, she was arguably more (in)famous for her personal life than her music.
I can't say I'm suprised by the news of her death - I think it's incredibly sad that her problem was not addressed or taken control of by those closer to her.
This about sums it up! NOT SAFE FOR WORK!
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3065/18526010150269276508164.jpg
I think it's disgusting that even if you're not a fan or don't like a person, having glee over someone's death is beyond shocking.
I think it's a shame that she got into that self destructing spiral - for anyone to be in such a state is awful, I Fear though that a lot of people still see it as "cool" and will remember her for being a little bit off her head, and something to aspire to.
Whils I liked a few of her songs, I didn't really like her character or what she became, but irrespective of that it's tragic that another young life is taken by something like drink and drugs. It must have tormented her, especially with the choice of men she decided to hang around with, but I guess you can't always choose who you fall for?
There is so much ignorance when it comes to mental illness, addiction and drug abuse; whether it is internet trolling or general consensus I'm uncertain.
I Fear though that a lot of people still see it as "cool" and will remember her for being a little bit off her head, and something to aspire to.
I hope that in her death, a greater awareness and/or understanding may be brought to the masses and that the opposite to your fears may occur; that the indie-cult-romanticism of being an epitome of excess is shattered with the realisation that you cannot live like that - 'superstar' or not.
What I fear though is a bit of the "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" attitude especially from younger impresionable people who are a bit more susceptible to such peer pressures.
TinkerBell
25-07-2011, 14:17
This isn't the first time a famous musician has died from drink or drugs. I am very sure she won't be the last unfortunately.
It has been happening for years and I believe that the amount of people taking drugs and drinking has increased. You can't stop people choosing drink and drugs. What needs to happen is the government to crack down on drug users, drug dealers etc. I was watching a program the other day about a rough council estate and people kept going into prison addicted to drugs, came out clean, then they got addicted again because they couldn't get a job and there was nothing to do, the effects of the drugs caused them to steal or be aggressive then they went back to prison. The government needs to sort this out pronto. If something isn't done this will just keep happening.
Del Lardo
25-07-2011, 16:16
What needs to happen is the government to crack down on drug users, drug dealers etc
Well the 40 year old War on Drugs has done so well that clearly what we need to do is criminalise the casual user and discourage addicts from getting help. I agree that the current solutions are not working (and don't claim to have a solution that will fix all) but wonder what would happen if instead of spending a fortune on a war on drugs we tried spending the money on education and rehabilitation.
I thought we did spend a fortune on education and rehab.
The government has recognised the failings in existing process and as of this year has made/is making major changes to the strategies in dealing with drugs.
"Cracking down on drug users, drug dealers etc" are two entirely separate issues: you cannot look to resolve the issue of drugs by criminalising users or tarring them with the same brush as dealers for one.
Current failings financially are based in an excessive multitude of services available, and socially an enormous relapse rate of ~90%.
The new government strategies are focussing both finances and efforts towards abstinence-driven programmes opposed to maintenance programs (i.e. methadone/subutex).
We're looking at a very well researched and major strategic change, but these processes do not happen overnight.
This about sums it up! NOT SAFE FOR WORK!
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3065/18526010150269276508164.jpg
That's exactly the attitude a few of my friends have demonstrated on facebook. The main culprit, someone I really thought was a very close friend of mine, has recently had very unforgiving attitude towards people she knows that have mental health disorders.
I've honestly been expecting her to appear on my doorstep banging on my door with an angry mob because our opinions differ.
I'm tempted to post that picture on my facebook, but I know it'd cause a whole extra wave of trouble.
One of the girls I became friends with as we both had babies in July 2007 took her own life 2 and a half years ago. We all knew Emma suffered with severe depression. In her case we knew we were doing all we could, and so was her family to keep her with us. We all as her friends knew what was going to inevitably happen. But it didn't make her death any less upsetting.
The government has recognised the failings in existing process and as of this year has made/is making major changes to the strategies in dealing with drugs.
"Cracking down on drug users, drug dealers etc" are two entirely separate issues: you cannot look to resolve the issue of drugs by criminalising users or tarring them with the same brush as dealers for one.
Current failings financially are based in an excessive multitude of services available, and socially an enormous relapse rate of ~90%.
The new government strategies are focussing both finances and efforts towards abstinence-driven programmes opposed to maintenance programs (i.e. methadone/subutex).
We're looking at a very well researched and major strategic change, but these processes do not happen overnight.
Bang on. A casual recreational (important word) user who is well educated and understands the things they are doing are not likely to cause the issues that the gangs set out on winning a property/patch war or for undercutting/supplying etc...
Let's not tar casual users with dealers.
The drugs that the late Ms Winehouse was addicted to isn't a result of her being forced, or them being readily available (though at that level of fame and social circles it's SO easy to get anything you want) it was a psychological imbalance that convinced her to take them. Irrespective of whether she took them in the first place, she started smoking and drinking, and became dependent on that... then clearly the same thing happened on harder drugs.
Drugs alone aren't an evil that destroys lives, else alcohol, caffeine, tobacco and about another hundreds of drugs used daily would have to stop. It's the drug ABUSE that causes the problems, the addictions, the crimes. It's not just a single point failure, it is not the root cause - it's one of a multitude of issues.
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