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Go get it :)
leowyatt
21-01-2012, 10:44
This being my first iOS device, what benefit do I have to jailbreaking?
A Place of Light
21-01-2012, 13:03
This being my first iOS device, what benefit do I have to jailbreaking?
It prises the fingers of Apples vice-like grip from the device in question.
TBH I don't really have any problems with Apple's "grip" over their devices - as long as they work and do what I need. I had an Android phone for 18 months and, whilst it was obviously more flexible or customisable than an iPhone, I haven't missed that for one second.
The Android zealots would have us believe that the success of the platform is down to it's flexibility and customisability and that's why it's outselling iPhones. I totally disagree and think the success is down to the fact that most Android handsets are significantly cheaper than iPhones and most people who want an iPhone already have one, so the market is pretty saturated. I firmly believe that a very large number of people with Android handsets have them purely because they wanted a smartphone but couldn't afford an iPhone. But I'm drifting off-topic now :)
That's very much against my understanding of the situation. The majority of people i know who use android now (including myself and many of the people in my dept) have gone from Apple to Android simply because the Galaxy S2 knocks spots off the iphone, is more open, more intuitive and just a far nicer experience. Nothing to do with cost - was not a consideration for me although maybe that's the argument being bandied around by the iphone crew to avoid the real reason- most of them already had an iphone 4 and considered the S2 a significant upgrade. I still use my 3gs for work and I've used Matt's 4s a fair bit. I expected to be jealous when he got it but I was shocked at how heavy, and clunky it was compared to my S2. The S2 has changed the game completely.
Sent from my Galaxy S2
Matblack
21-01-2012, 13:45
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This being my first iOS device, what benefit do I have to jailbreaking?
For me it used to be themeing but I'm passed that now. My main additions via cydia (and I've paid for some of these) is lock info that does a far better job than notification centre, especially on the lock screen. biteSMS for text messages that has quickly reply/compose as well as loads of other handy features like templates and timed messages. One other handy one is browser changer that sets the default browser to whatever you want. I use iCab Mobile instead of Safari and to have all link open in iCab instead of Safari is really handy.
Some of these a big changes and others are little, but they all make the phone a little more usable. There's plenty more available too.
That's very much against my understanding of the situation. The majority of people i know who use android now (including myself and many of the people in my dept) have gone from Apple to Android simply because the Galaxy S2 knocks spots off the iphone, is more open, more intuitive and just a far nicer experience. Nothing to do with cost - was not a consideration for me although maybe that's the argument being bandied around by the iphone crew to avoid the real reason- most of them already had an iphone 4 and considered the S2 a significant upgrade. I still use my 3gs for work and I've used Matt's 4s a fair bit. I expected to be jealous when he got it but I was shocked at how heavy, and clunky it was compared to my S2. The S2 has changed the game completely.
Sent from my Galaxy S2
Sorry but I totally disagree :D
I had an HTC Desire and, whilst it was a decent phone, it just felt unfinished. There were far too many little annoyances and bugs with it and I lost count of how many times I had to reboot the thing.
As for Android being more intuitive than iOS, sorry but I can't agree with that on any level. I've found iOS to be far more intuitive and just a better thought out interface than Android and most reviews I've read and opinions I've heard support this. It's all the little things too that just make it nice to use, such as the auto-correct automatically checking your contacts so it includes peoples' names, plus others I can't think of off the top of my head. It just feels like that bit more thought and effort was put into it compared to Android.
Then there's the App Store. Whilst I was expecting the iOS-only apps that weren't available on Android, what I wasn't expecting was how many apps, sometimes from the big players, were just plain better on iOS. Many apps which I'd been using on Android and which I immediately acquired for iOS, like Facebook, BBC News or Autosport, were designed better and function far more smoothly than their Android counterparts. It felt like all the effort went into the iOS version and the Android one was merely an afterthought. This isn't a criticism of Android itself of course, as it's the application developers who've obviously primarily targetted iOS but it is another facet of the platform that sets it apart from Android.
As for the Galaxy S2, sorry but it's far from the game-changer and iPhone-beater that many would have us believe. My girlfriend has one and, whilst it's a nice enough phone, it's still basically just a bigger and faster version of the what I had with the Desire. Everyone goes on about how fast it is yet, despite superior paper specs to the iPhone 4S, the latter is quicker, which tells you a lot about how much more efficient and optimised the OS is. Even using the S2, I notice far too many slight jerks and shudders when navigating or scrolling, something that just never ever happens on the 4S. The screen is nice but frankly the phone is too damned big for me and I wouldn't want to be carrying something that large around in my pocket all the time. If you watch a lot of video or do a lot of browsing then maybe it's worth it but, personally, I much prefer the size of the iPhone. The screen is perfectly big enough and actually has higher resolution and DPI than the S2 so reading it is a pleasure. I've also noticed how much is made of how light the S2 is, as if this is a plus point. Personally I think it makes it feel like a toy and the iPhone 4/4S feels like a precision-made watch in comparison. Yes the construction makes the iPhone heavier but I can't say I've ever heard anyone complain that the iPhone was too heavy!
I'm no Apple fan-boy, indeed the 4S was the first iPhone I've had and I gave Android a decent shot for 18 months with the Desire. I think the comparison between Android and iOS is a very similar one to the PC vs MacOS argument. The former is more flexible and customisable and runs on a much wider variety of hardware whilst the latter is more locked down, only runs on Apple hardware but the pay-off of the tighter integration is a slicker, smoother experience that just feels far more polished.
I personally know far more people who've migrated from Android to iPhone, usually starting with Android because it was a cheaper way to get their first smartphone but, once they're hooked on the concept, they wanted an iPhone. I knew a few people who've gone the other way but not many!
Sorry for droning on but that's my take on things :) At the end of the day both platforms are great and a lot of it is down to personal preference and what you want from a phone. The future certainly belongs to these two platforms in my opinion, with the likes of Windows Phone being far too little too late.
What's slightly weird is that iOS is often perceived as the best route for non-techies whilst Android is more suited to those familiar with technology, yet my experience is different. I'm certainly a techie, being a programmer by profession and my house currently contains one server, five PCs, one laptop, two netbooks and more cables than I care to count, yet I still vastly prefer iOS to Android. A lot of my friends are also technically oriented, being keen PC gamers and also working in IT, yet more of them have iPhones than Android, by quite a margin.
I'll shut up now :p
Blighter
21-01-2012, 17:56
Thanks Toby - you just said most of what was on my mind so I don't need to type it out :p
Just to add on to the screen size bit, the iPhone screen was designed so you can hold it comfortably in one hand and still easily get to every bit of the screen. Try doing that on the S2 ;)
It is all the little bits that makes iOS superior in my opinion, as well as the 'life-like' motions and animations of the GUI (such as the 'bounce' when you get to the bottom of a page. Yes, android does this, but only on the odd app or two, and it doesn't feel as smooth as the iPhone).
This is a big pro-iPhone point too: Software updates for older devices. Check this out:
http://rww.readwriteweb.netdna-cdn.com/mobile/016a_android_orphans.png
The update situation is a total farce and Google really need to sort this out.
Every time an Android update appears, you first have to wait for Google to release it to the hardware manufacturers, then wait for them to produce an update for your particular phone, if indeed they bother to at all, and then potentially also wait for your network provider to then produce their branded version.
The situation isn't helped by the way Google make such a song and dance about each new version, giving them names and proclaiming how much better they are. When you've not long purchased a new phone, then a new version of Android is released and you either don't get it at all or have to wait weeks or months before an update for your phone arrives, how does that make customers feel?
Contrast this with iOS. Yes, they have to cut off older hardware at some point, like they did with the iPhone 3G and iOS5, but aside from that, everyone can download and install the updates the moment they are released.
You could install iOS5 on an iPhone 3GS from mid-2009 the moment it was released. If you took an Android phone from that period, you'd not be able to install Froyo on it, let alone Gingerbread or Ice-cream Sandwich.
Google need to sort this out - the diversity of phones and manufacturer/network customisations can be a negative aspect too.
EDIT: Just read the full article accompanying that image at the website mentioned on it - makes for very interesting reading. I'd not even considered the issue of developers targetting ancient versions of the OS to maximise reach - this could be very dangerous for Google.
So, has anyone put this on a 4s yet? I'm tempted but its been so long since I had a JB that i've learnt to live without it.
Do miss the few things I bought though & sb settings!
Blighter
21-01-2012, 22:03
EDIT: Just read the full article accompanying that image at the website mentioned on it - makes for very interesting reading. I'd not even considered the issue of developers targetting ancient versions of the OS to maximise reach - this could be very dangerous for Google.
Yep. It's not just the backwards compatibility with the OS though. A lot of major players and small players alike don't like coding for android simply because of having to code for multiple hardware profiles at the same time.
I remember Skype throwing a big hoohar because of the multitude of camera hardware profiles they had to include in their app. Crazy stuff.
So....back to the jailbreaking :D
So, has anyone put this on a 4s yet?!
Yep, did mine yesterday. Only problem I had which has been had by a few others as well is that the Music app stopped working. It would launch OK but no songs would play. I just did a full backup, restore, jailbreak and popped everything back on from the backup and it's working fine. Sinead's phone worked fine 100% though.
So....back to the jailbreaking :D
Erm, yeah, sorry about that :o
Blighter
21-01-2012, 23:58
So....back to the jailbreaking :D
Yep, did mine yesterday. Only problem I had which has been had by a few others as well is that the Music app stopped working. It would launch OK but no songs would play. I just did a full backup, restore, jailbreak and popped everything back on from the backup and it's working fine. Sinead's phone worked fine 100% though.
When iOS 4 was first jailbroken I remember it stopped a few apps from working, so if I even do decide to do it, I'm going to wait to hear about how others have gone first :p
@Toby...
Sorry but you're wrong. :p I don't think I know anyone who's used an S2 that has any intention to go back to using an iphone. It is absolutely a game changer, and I stand by that statement.
@Blighter - You can, easily. Probably because it's not as heavy as a house brick :) ANd i've got tiny hands, so it's not really a problem. Also, I don't really understand what you mean about the animation and stuff, it sounds like a really minor thing to me, but maybe I'm not getting what you mean.
Back on topic :)
Temporarily back off topic.
Also, I don't really understand what you mean about the animation and stuff,
I've never seen a stutter or "lack of smoothness" on any animations/scrolling on my S2, even after I get it back from Josh with every game open in the background.
Back on topic...
;)
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on how awesome (or otherwise) the S2 is :p :D
Davey_Pitch
22-01-2012, 14:47
I don't think I know anyone who's used an S2 that has any intention to go back to using an iphone.
I've used an S2 quite a bit (Lynnie's phone), and prefer my iPhone. Admittedly I've not played with it in depth like I would if it were my phone, but from what I've played with, I prefer the iPhone. Browsing on the iPhone is far better (bar the lack of Flash), as it renders the pages so much better than the S2 does (something I don't think anyone can really argue with).
Either way, they're both great phones. Arguing which is better is a bit like arguing which is better between an Xbox 360 and a PS3. It's a daft argument as it's opinion based and therefore there will never really be a clear winner, yet fans of either side will argue till they're blue in the face that they're right.
Sorry, back on topic now :)
Oh, and it's Xbox 360, easily
I meant using as in, being your only phone for a length of time, not playing with one however extensively. Funny enough though, I hated browsing so much on the iphone I stopped doing it. Hate the way it deals with multiple windows and you have to push so hard on the home button, the lag before it actually works makes it unbearable for me. S2 browsing is a pleasure though. I mean, let's face it, if it was 'all that' why the need for jailbreaking? Speaks volumes, but no doubt there's a 'reasonable' (read:unreasonable) explanation for that too. But you're right about arguing about it - although always seems to be the iPhone users who start the debate with seemingly baseless opinion being touted as fact.
I tend to agree with Davey about the browsing - I find Safari on the iPhone far better than I found the browser on my old Desire - it just seems to render things better and the double-tap zoom seems far more intuitive, paying attention to frames and zooming almost always just the correct amount.
I also agree with him entirely that this is all really subjective - the hardware, performance and basic functionality of the latest iPhone and Android handsets is pretty much the same so it boils down to what you're used to and what you prefer.
When I droned on earlier I wasn't ranting or having a go at Android or its users, I was just trying to explain in a bit of detail why I prefer iOS to Android so I didn't look like I was a fanboy just spouting 'baseless opinion' ;) :D
Davey_Pitch
22-01-2012, 22:04
I mean, let's face it, if it was 'all that' why the need for jailbreaking? Speaks volumes, but no doubt there's a 'reasonable' (read:unreasonable) explanation for that too.
I'm cutting of the rest of your post, as it's more opinion stuff so there's no need to argue/discuss it. I will say to this though, that this seems a little bit of a harsh reason to have a go at the iPhone, that because people jailbreak it, it's "not all that". I could say the same thing about the Galaxy S2, it can't be all that because I know people who've hacked it (rooted it I think is what they call it). Rooting the Android OS and Jailbreaking the iPhone just do the same thing IMO - allow the user to do more of what they want to do.
I will add though, I've had my iPhone for nearly 3 years, never jailbroke it, and still haven't found a phone that meets my needs better :)
When I droned on earlier I wasn't ranting or having a go at Android or its users, I was just trying to explain in a bit of detail why I prefer iOS to Android so I didn't look like I was a fanboy just spouting 'baseless opinion' ;) :D
A bit?? Jeeesh!!! ;D And yeah preference was kinda what I said in my very first post - that was in answer to you saying you believed it was mostly about cost (basically what triggered my response) and I don't think that's right. It's annoying and a bit blinkered to assume that most people 'only' have an Android because they can't afford an iphone. I could say that it's only because people have spent a fortune on iPhone apps and because an idiot could use it (and many do) that they're so popular - people that are afraid to change. However, I'd not say that because it's insulting to those of you that choose to use an iphone because you prefer it. It's simply down to people that prefer the s2 and Android to iphone and vice versa. I had an iphone - I think the s2 is better, however if the iphone 5, 6 whatever comes out and is better than the s2, back I'll go. In many cases, it's not about the brand, it's about which phone/OS is better suited for the user - I don't know why more people don't 'get' that and stop making up silly reasons as to why people choose the opposite number to what they prefer.
Yeah Davey, I get that, but I know few people who jailbreak S2's compared to iphones. Seems every man and his dog is at it.
To be fair I think it was me that mentioned cost.
With regard to that, I wasn't on about premium Android handsets like the S2, as they cost almost as much as an iPhone anyway when bought SIM-free, I was more on about the availability of cheaper Android phones which I believe are what's bolstering Android's sales figures. I think a lot of people with cheaper Android phones have them simply because they want a smartphone and, as they can't afford an iPhone or top-end Android phone like the S2, the cheaper Android handsets are the only viable option. Whilst many such buyers might get something like an S2 if funds permitted, I also believe many of them would get an iPhone instead and that's why I was saying the reason they went Android was due to cost :)
Davey_Pitch
22-01-2012, 22:34
In many cases, it's not about the brand, it's about which phone/OS is better suited for the user .
That's the be all and end all for me really. The iPhone does everything I want from a phone, which is why I prefer it. More people should look at phones the same way, rather than picking a brand and sticking with it blindly :)
whoops, sorry, edited that while you were replying.
LeperousDust
22-01-2012, 22:41
I think I'm doing very well biting my tongue* with this thread ;D ;D But I do feel I had to post that fact :p I'm sure someone wondered where I was ;)
*off in some cases
Just to set the record straight, I have no problem with Android at all, nor am I criticising Android users at all. I'd hate to think I'd come across that way :(
It's a decent OS with many good features and I'll confess that I do miss a couple of them with the iPhone but, on balance, I prefer iOS and the iPhone. I can more than understand how others could feel exactly the opposite and much prefer Android. Life would be dull if we were all the same! :D
A bit?? Jeeesh!!! ;D
:p :D
I had an iphone - I think the s2 is better, however if the iphone 5, 6 whatever comes out and is better than the s2, back I'll go. In many cases, it's not about the brand, it's about which phone/OS is better suited for the user - I don't know why more people don't 'get' that and stop making up silly reasons as to why people choose the opposite number to what they prefer.
Agree with that. I have no brand 'loyalty' with iOS or Android, I just personally think iOS is superior right now. Just as you say you'd be prepared to switch should a future iPhone prove worth it, I'd be prepared to give Android another go if they improved/changed enough. Reading my original comments about costs etc back now, I could have worded it better. I was never suggesting that Android was a "low budget" OS only for those who couldn't afford an iPhone, but more that the sales success that Google keep willy-waving about is, at least in part (and a significant part imo) due to the availability of cheap(er) handsets. It's obviously a good thing for the market and competition that this is so, but I'm just forced to sigh a bit when Google rant on about how much they're outselling iOS by when of course they are - they're selling into more market segments :)
LeperousDust
22-01-2012, 23:47
A very quick way to sum up the two OS' by no means 100% correct but:
Apple tend to do very little but do it well, but look at even just last gen phones missing very basic things in functionality. Apple will get there in the end, but they'll add incrementally (originally 3g, copy paste, multi-tasking). I never bought an iPod until gen5, and i always said right at gen1 iphone i'll probably wait until gen5 as a joke. But i could be right!
Android are more sledgehammer nut affair. All/most bells and whistles from the beginning, then over the course of versions tighten integration (since they have more than one handset remember, no default specs!), make it "easier" for the masses, and improve reliability battery life etc etc... Just generally clean it up. Version 1 was like a desktop originally, Ha!
Essentially they're both tending to the same point from different directions.
Personally I prefer having it all to begin with and maybe having to "play" around to get what i want.
Other people want their phone to "just work" (which is debatable every time apple upgrade inbetween) which is also fine but it tends to limit the experience (for better or worse). For android to offer the choice it does essentially it has a much larger challenge than selling one Model T in any colour as long as it's black ;).
That was without mentioning a single phone really, but i'd say in essence the S2 was one of the first phones (arguable my S was 90% there when released) to just work out the box. My girlfriend couldn't be more anti fussing. She was very close to buying an iPhone because she has an iPod touch. But she used the S2 and was instantly won over, she could easily wax lyrical over the interface and how easy things are really all day, which honestly slightly surprises me (! :D) but it does show HOW far android (and specifically phone manufacturers and their skins too) have come since the Hero for instance.
Ok so i posted, and i lose. Sue me ;D
As a technically-oriented person, I felt much the same way and that's partly why I went Android to start with, as I figured I'd want all the extra bells and whistles and ability to customise.
I soon discovered that I didn't really - I just wanted my phone to work.
It's not that Android was a bad OS per se, it was fine and the phone was great most of the time, it's just that there were too many little niggles and bugs that annoyed me so, when the time came to upgrade, I decided to give iOS a try as I hoped it'd be more 'stable' and bug-free plus, since I'd not really needed or used any of the additional features of Android, I wouldn't really miss them.
I've not looked back really. There are a few things I miss but, for me, the advantages outweigh the disadvantages :)
Dymetrie
23-01-2012, 10:49
Stupidly noobish (yet on topic :p) question...
If I jailbreak my iPhone 4, will this restrict iTunes/AppStore/backups or anything that I normally do (except for iOS updates, of course)?
:)
I hate Apple computers with a passion, but I much prefer using the iphone in general than most other smartphones I've used. However, at my next upgrade in August, I think i probably will move away from apple for a bit and see, I'm sick of having to use itunes, and I don't want to jailbreak my phone.
I think the interface on the iphone is awesome, in fact, it's so easy to do everything, but at times, the limitations are also piss poor. Furthermore, you can't just save a document onto your device, it just stays in the email attachment or the webpage you've opened.
I want the slickness, intuition of the iphone, but with ability to save documents, and not have to use itunes to sync my phone. I'm hoping that by august a decent contender will come along.
The iphone 4 and the OS is great, in fact it'll probably be quite difficult to use another phone - the iphone is so slick and quick, and in fact I've got used to it's limitations and just accept that I cannot do some things on it. However, I don't want to jailbreak for fear of losing data and causing me more grief - as I'd forget I had done it and do something which causes something worse to happen.
Ultimately I am still a bit of a geek, and whilst I don't want to have to worry about configuring my phone (and that's the big sell for me for the iphone) I also hate not being able to configure my phone! LOL!
Having to jailbreak the phone to make it do what you want seems counter intuitive to me.
In fact, sod it, I'm going back to my nokia 3210! lol!
Stupidly noobish (yet on topic :p) question...
If I jailbreak my iPhone 4, will this restrict iTunes/AppStore/backups or anything that I normally do (except for iOS updates, of course)?
:)
Nope, no restrictions apart from iOS updates. I still use iCloud, iTunes Match and everything without any problems. Of course if you did run in to any problems then just a restore to the latest iOS and you're back to normal again. Officially it will invalidate your warranty but a quick restore in iTunes and nobody will know you were jailbroken in the first place.
Dymetrie
23-01-2012, 11:52
Cheers, Jamie :)
The girls have gone swimming so I have a few hours to play. It's very tempting to dabble on the darker side of iOS :p
Jesus, these people who keep steering the thread back on-topic.
Inconsiderate Bastids ;)
Dymetrie
23-01-2012, 14:14
Jesus, these people who keep steering the thread back on-topic.
Inconsiderate Bastids ;)
Well I could comment on the fact that, to me at least, Android is looking far more attractive due to the lack of premium.
In May I can upgrade my phone. I'll have had my iPhone 4 for two years (ish) by then so will definitely be looking to get something new.
There's no way I can afford the premium to get an iPhone 4S. However, I can upgrade to an SGS2, on a cheaper contract, without paying anything for the handset. Hopefully, by May, the Nexus or the Lumia 800 will also be free on a sensibly priced contract so I have some more choice.
The handsets may not be cheaper in actual cost, build quality or what they can do; but they certainly are when it comes to getting/renewing a contract. However, if I had the money I'd stick with iOS because it (usually) does what I want it to do how I want to do it (caveat: I am allowed to change this opinion without warning, at any time).
Back on topic (:p), iPhone is jailbroken and I'm investigating. Not incredibly impressed so far (add ons just seem slightly less fluid, and the advertisements are much more intrusive) but I'll keep playing to see how I get on with things. :)
Depends on what you're adding Dym, most of the things I originally listed like lockinfo and biteSMS are paid for apps. Even on cydia, not everything is free but they're good enough for me to pay for them. It is crazy in a way....the one thing that makes lockinfo good for me is that I can see further ahead in the calendar than iOS notification centre allows which is only the current or next day. It's such a simple thing Apple could do but they choose not to.
Jesus, these people who keep steering the thread back on-topic.
Inconsiderate Bastids ;)
:D
Apologies to Desmo for my part in the thread drift :(
Dymetrie
24-01-2012, 13:28
Depends on what you're adding Dym, most of the things I originally listed like lockinfo and biteSMS are paid for apps. Even on cydia, not everything is free but they're good enough for me to pay for them. It is crazy in a way....the one thing that makes lockinfo good for me is that I can see further ahead in the calendar than iOS notification centre allows which is only the current or next day. It's such a simple thing Apple could do but they choose not to.
I've only kept SBSettings, so far, which I think is a fantastic tool, but it just seems slightly less fluid than native iOS stuff. It's definitely something I'd love to see included in the notification centre (of course, opening up the API to allow 3rd party widgets, or useful widgets, would enable this).
Themes look lovely, but I haven't found (a free) one which works properly, they all seem to leave a couple of stock icons unthemed. I guess this is so you buy the paid for theme (or I'm doing it wrong) but I find it frustrating.
I also tried to install swype, but the resource won't load properly and googling has failed for me, so far :(
Only day 2, though, I've got another 4 months before I decide to write it off as too much effort :D
Any suggestions for cool/useful apps would be appreciated, of course! :p
A Place of Light
25-01-2012, 14:52
TBH I find ios to be a little more polished and stable than Android, for one simple reason. Much like the Mac, the developers can be almost 100% sure what hardware is inside the target device and this allows them to fine tune everything to the nth degree. Android, by definition cannot do this and never will until (if ever) we reach a point where the lowest spec Android handset can run its OS without hindrance.
That said, my problems with the phone dont even exist for some people, and for them the phone is the best handset for them......sadly I'm not one of them even though I'd like to try one if only for changes sake.
I had an iphone - I think the s2 is better, however if the iphone 5, 6 whatever comes out and is better than the s2, back I'll go. In many cases, it's not about the brand, it's about which phone/OS is better suited for the user
Didn't you have a 3GS like me? In which case, the S2 is undoubtedly miles ahead, but then it does have two years on the 3GS! :)
It's a horses for courses thing for me. I evaluated both the S2 and 4S, but Apple won (I stood in line on launch day for mine). The 4S was better in areas that I needed and that was that. Android could, and maybe should, be a better ecosystem than iOS, but there are just some big things that Google hasn't grasped yet (updates and accessibility, to name two). Nonetheless, I do think Apple missed a few tricks with the 4S, and I might have passed like I did with the 4 had I not lost my 3GS, but there we are. I nearly did buy an S2.
As for the topic at hand, I jailbroke my 3GS and put SBSettings, LockInfo and five icon dock on it. I also replaced the crappy Notes font but thankfully Apple has since fixed that. None of the above are sufficient to convince me to jailbreak either my 4S or iPad2, so I reckon I'll pass, though I do wish the iPad2 had the clock and calculator apps (yes, I know replacements are available, and I have them, but the Apple versions tend to be more reliable).
Just one word of caution. If you use iBooks, think twice before jailbreaking. Chances are iBooks won't work afterwards, unless the community can find a way to bypass the Jailbreak protection.
It was a 4S I was referring to Mark :)
Dymetrie
28-01-2012, 20:18
Just one word of caution. If you use iBooks, think twice before jailbreaking. Chances are iBooks won't work afterwards, unless the community can find a way to bypass the Jailbreak protection.
Anything specific about iBooks? I just opened it up (currently reading the Games game bowl on the kindle app) and it seemed to be working fine...
Matblack
29-01-2012, 10:05
I have a SGS2 and an ipad2, I like them both, I must be a freak
MB
I've got an S2 and an iPad. Just seems you have to choose a camp, not allowed to enjoy the best of both :shrug:
Sent from my Galaxy S2
I know quite a few people with non-Apple phones, often Android, and an iPad actually.
I think this is because Android tablets have been a little underwhelming thus far, although some of the newer ones being released now, like the Transformer Prime and Xoom 2 look to redress the balance a bit.
A Place of Light
29-01-2012, 20:44
Ultimately the customer benefits from fierce competition.
Let the tech wars begin.
Ultimately the customer benefits from fierce competition.
Let the tech wars begin.
Oh absolutely and, despite their predilection for litigation, Apple aren't above pinching things from Android, like their notification system :)
Have to say, having never used a pre-iOS5 iPhone, I don't know how people survived before the revamped notification system as the previous effort looked horrid!
Ultimately the customer benefits from fierce competition.
Let the tech wars begin.
:thumbsup:
A Place of Light
30-01-2012, 14:18
^
To be honest, Apple have never been particularly innovative. What they've become superb at is taking other peoples ideas and not only packaging them better but even making them work better than those who actually conceived them.
I honestly do think that right now there is no "best" smartphone. The right handset for you depends on you and your requirements/preferences.
Ultimately the customer benefits from fierce competition.
Let the tech wars begin.
The patent wars have to end first. Steve Jobs may have been prepared to give every last cent to his lawyers in an attempt to destroy Android, but all that does is fill the pockets of the lawyers and stifle innovation for everyone else. Lose lose, for everyone (just look at Apple's Notification Center if you want proof of that - Android got there first, by a long way).
Yes, IP needs to be protected against blatant theft, but there are only so many ways a finger can interact with a widget on a screen, for example.
If the iphone presented the opportunity for storage or a filing system on the phone (i.e. documents) then it would be the complete package - but you can't and I often want to carry info around, and it's annoying that I have to email myself a copy of something.
I agree that Apple pinched the concept for the notification system from Android, and a good job too as the pre-iOS5 system looked a nightmare.
That said, they took it and, in my view, radically improved it. The way notifications are listed on the lock screen and you can slide on any one of them to unlock and go directly to that item is superb. Very intuitive and very handy.
My Android phone didn't do this. It's quite possible I could have found some piece of add-on software which would have achieved the same but why should I have to? This is the key difference for me - Apple may lock you into their way of thinking and doing things but, more often than not, "their way" works superbly well for 99.9% of people and is thus a lot less hassle than trying to configure it all yourself.
If you like having a phone you can tinker with endlessly and customise extensively then Android is no doubt the better choice but, for the vast vast majority of people, Apple seem to get things pretty much spot on.
I just touch on the a notification in the list and it takes me to the relevant post/app/whatever...is this what you mean? if so, functionality was on this s2 before io5 release so thats another timing issue. Apologies if you mean something else.
Sent from my Galaxy S2
Dymetrie
31-01-2012, 15:07
I just touch on the a notification in the list and it takes me to the relevant post/app/whatever...is this what you mean? if so, functionality was on this s2 before io5 release so thats another timing issue. Apologies if you mean something else.
Sent from my Galaxy S2
Is that from a locked, or unlocked, screen though?
Toby is talking about navigating to places from the lock screen.
:)
LeperousDust
31-01-2012, 16:49
Yeah it's been like that since the touchwiz interface from samsung (but not on HTC Sense which is what everyone assumes android is). So my Samsung Galaxy S of mid 2010 had that :)
from locked... I get a list of notifications and can unlock by choosing one. Also though I'm not that lazy that one finger movement would determine the phone I buy though :p
Sent from my Galaxy S2
I just touch on the a notification in the list and it takes me to the relevant post/app/whatever...is this what you mean? if so, functionality was on this s2 before io5 release so thats another timing issue. Apologies if you mean something else.
Ah right, is that on the lock screen?
Never had that on my Desire so maybe it's been enhanced a bit in later releases or Samsung have added their own enhancements.
EDIT: Must learn to read to end of thread before replying - fail :(
Dymetrie
31-01-2012, 20:48
from locked... I get a list of notifications and can unlock by choosing one. Also though I'm not that lazy that one finger movement would determine the phone I buy though :p
Sent from my Galaxy S2
Well, no.
In my eyes the collective aesthetics and ergonomics of the handset and operating system is a major factor in what I buy.
But one feature on its own wouldn't be enough...
I've been thoroughly annoyed with Apple suing Samsung regarding menus 'bouncing' on my S2.
I updated it yesterday and the most significant change is that the menus no longer bounce.
Bastards :p
Nevermind, ICS soon (I hope, there are leaked builds so it must be soon... please?)
Nevermind, ICS soon (I hope, there are leaked builds so it must be soon... please?)
Someone I know has ICS on his S2, he loves it. I shall wait for a stable release...
Aye, apparently the builds are pretty good but still with a few niggles, i'm happy to wait for the Samsung release :P
Then it will an indisputable fact that the S2 is the best phone on the market ;)
(Until the S3...)
LeperousDust
31-01-2012, 22:15
//I'm waiting for the S3
Although tbh the Nexus tops the S2, but not when you include its premium price.
I can't wait for ICS! Well I will have to, but you know what I mean :p
On another note, a friend of mine at Voda has just got me 30% off my contract!
Winning :D
A Place of Light
03-02-2012, 23:31
but, for the vast vast majority of people, Apple seem to get things pretty much spot on.
If that were true, IOS handsets would be outselling all others, but they're not.
I find it incredibly frustrating that Apple could've made the handset to beat all others, but to do so would've flown in the face of their profit model.
Blighter
05-02-2012, 12:26
If that were true, IOS handsets would be outselling all others, but they're not.
I find it incredibly frustrating that Apple could've made the handset to beat all others, but to do so would've flown in the face of their profit model.
Not really. All my friends that have android devices have them because either
A) they are students/etc and can't afford an iPhone
B) they are the 'I want to customise EVERYTHING and make it look crap' type :p
A Place of Light
05-02-2012, 17:46
Not really. All my friends that have android devices have them because either
A) they are students/etc and can't afford an iPhone
B) they are the 'I want to customise EVERYTHING and make it look crap' type :p
Apart from the obvious bias of the above, the argument balances out because there are plenty of people who don't fall into either of the above catagories and still consciously choose not to go iPhone.
The fact of the matter is that the iPhone isn't the best handset in the world for one simple reason.....because there isn't one.
The best handset for you depends on you and your requirements/preferences.
LeperousDust
06-02-2012, 01:08
I see a LOT of students with iPhones btw too... that loan goes somewhere. In fact apple targets students with most (all?) of their product line?
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