View Full Version : Name a better front man than Liam Gallagher
Easy, isn't it?
Now do it for our generation.
We can't come up with a single person.
Dymetrie
19-11-2006, 20:16
Justin Hawkins
lol, I was trying to be serious. He doesn't come close :)
Dymetrie
19-11-2006, 20:24
Well it would depend on what generation you mean... Our generation or the current generation...
For us then I would cite Damon Albarn, Jonathan Davies, James Hetfield, Dave Grohl, Justin hawkins (even though you may disagree), Kurt Cobain, Corey Taylor, Marilyn Manson, Serj Tankian...
In my opinion then Gallagher isn't that impressive, I've seen so many bands who put on a fantastic show rather than just being whiney nobs.
Remember that we're not the current generation Mat, we're not the current generation, despite us being more prominent and generally having a better idea of what music is, we're past it :(
I meant ours, not current. Damon Albarn is a whiny nob, and certainly isn't as good a frontman IMO. Jonathan Davies I've never heard of (except the rugby player), James Hetfield?? Seriously? Dave Grohl you could argue I suppose. Justin Hawkins is laughable IMO :p Cobain you could argue, Corey Taylor I've never heard of, Marylin Manson? behave :) Serj Tankian I've never heard of.
Remember I'm saying frontman, not just lead singer. IMO Gallagher is the best thing we've had by a long, long way. Like him or loathe him.
They're fantastic live too.
[edit]Ian Brown I would say is up there, but not better.
Dymetrie
19-11-2006, 20:42
I meant ours, not current. Damon Albarn is a whiny nob and certainly isn't as good a frontman IMO.
As the frontman of Blur, yes as the frontman of Gorrliaz he's better...
Jonathan Davies I've never heard of
Frontman of Korn, maybe not your style but he's very talented[/quote]
James Hetfield?? Seriously?
yup, I've seen Metallica live and he has so much energy on stage and puts on a damn good show
Dave Grohl you could argue I suppose.
Can and will :)
Justin Hawkins is laughable IMO :p
In yours but not mine, I like the guy although will admit to being jaded about him splitting the band up this early...
Cobain you could argue
Yup
Corey Taylor I've never heard of
Slipknot and also Stone Sour, fantastic performer and excellent artist
Marylin Manson? behave :)
One of the best showmen I've ever seen. As a performer and a frontman then I've never seen anything to parallel him other than The Prodigy
Serj Tankian I've never heard of.
Frontman of System of a Down, excellent showman, hadn't heard of them before Reading 2001, saw them perform and was hooked...
Remember I'm saying frontman, not just lead singer. IMO Gallagher is the best thing we've had by a long, long way. Like him or loathe him.
They're fantastic live too.
I think our ideas of a frontman differ slightly, which is only to be expected. Although I think we'd both agree that it's not just the person that sings but also the person who makes the statement about the band and is who will speak out to get people to know about the band. I'm not arguing that Gallagher isn't a good frontman, I just don't agree that he is the 'greatest' frontman. I personally find him to be a pillock and feel Noel is far superior in most respects, yet I understand that personal opinion is not just what you're talking about...
Didnt we do this at the BBQ? We couldnt think of anyone there either, although the amount of ale didnt help proceedings ;)
Well, I cant really contribute to this having never seen the man live. I can nominate Grohl, he absolutely commands a crowd, great to see. In terms of actually working a crowd the best I've seen is Mike Skinner, though he doesnt really count if we're considering just bands.
Kell_ee001
19-11-2006, 21:07
Well I've heard of all of dymetrie's nominations and agree with a fair few of them, especially Davies, Hetfield and Grohl :)
Fish. I don't expect any of you lot to agree, but I've never seen another front man hold the crowd in the palm of his hand like he does.
I have.
Phil Collins.
(but that's probably the wrong generation)
Dymetrie
19-11-2006, 23:42
I have.
Phil Collins.
(but that's probably the wrong generation)
Well Phil Collins was fairly prevalant (sp?) when I was growing up due to my Father... Can't say I'm as obsessed as Christian Bale but I'd certainly rate him ;)
^
/slaps forehead
How could I forget? Maynard, yes, good call.
Dymetrie
19-11-2006, 23:53
Maynard James Keenan.
Very much so :)
Good call :)
also, Chino Moreno, Brandon Boyd, Casey Chaos, Zack de la Rocha, Lynn Strait, Matt Bellamy, Corey Taylor, Daryl Palumbo, Perry Farrell, Cedric Bixler Zavarro, Trent Reznor, Marilyn Manson and Daniel Johns.
i'm actually struggling to think of a worse frontman than Liam Gallagher. unless the definition of the word "frontman" has changed to talentless, loutish idiot. in which case, he's about the best i've come across. aside from Pete Doherty
Dymetrie
20-11-2006, 00:01
also, Chino Moreno, Brandon Boyd, Casey Chaos, Zack de la Rocha, Lynn Strait, Matt Bellamy, Corey Taylor, Daryl Palumbo, Perry Farrell, Cedric Bixler Zavarro, Trent Reznor, Marilyn Manson and Daniel Johns.
i'm actually struggling to think of a worse frontman than Liam Gallagher. unless the definition of the word "frontman" has changed to talentless, loutish idiot. in which case, he's about the best i've come across. aside from Pete Doherty
Yes yes yes yes yes! Although I already mentioned a few you've picked up some that I should've thought of immediately!
And I was trying not to say that about Gallagher :p
just went through my itunes library.
i wasn't going to say it, but Gilly shot the artists of yours he'd heard of down in flames, so i thought i'd throw in my pennies worth. besides, it's all lighthearted banter when said and done (even if i really do mean it)
Flibster
20-11-2006, 00:10
*looks through the mentioned bands...*
*looks at CD collection*
*leaves thread knowing that his suggestions would not be liked at all. About 20 years out of date...*
I'm too old for this as well. I think I recognise about two of the people mentioned so far. :(
(currently listening to Paul Simon on BBC One - haven't heard him in years - he's more my generation).
Kell_ee001
20-11-2006, 00:54
1 name. Axl Rose.
He was the first person that came to my mind, but wasn't sure he'd be counted for our generation. :)
Define 'our' :) He's certainly the best in mine!
a generation = 30 years
and Axl Rose is still a frontman, so yeah, he's current
Lynnie_pitch nee Leigh
20-11-2006, 01:14
Some (maybe most) will laugh, but how about Jon Bon Jovi? I've seen them live twice and he has the crowd eating out the palm of his hand. Great energy, great live performer (he should be with over 20 years experience) and a great singer as well.
Edit: This post was brought to you by the letters D, A, V, E and Y, who forgot to log in himself.
also, Chino Moreno, Brandon Boyd, Casey Chaos, Zack de la Rocha, Lynn Strait, Matt Bellamy, Corey Taylor, Daryl Palumbo, Perry Farrell, Cedric Bixler Zavarro, Trent Reznor, Marilyn Manson and Daniel Johns.
i'm actually struggling to think of a worse frontman than Liam Gallagher. unless the definition of the word "frontman" has changed to talentless, loutish idiot. in which case, he's about the best i've come across. aside from Pete Doherty
Surely they have to be fairly mainstream to qualify? I've only heard of two of them, and one is only famous because he's ugly and makes a living off it.
He was the first person that came to my mind, but wasn't sure he'd be counted for our generation. :)
I wouldn't say so.
why would they have to be mainstream to qualify? if you were trying to find the most successful, then they'd have to be mainstream... seeing as you're looking for best, my initial post, and subsequent suggestions all whoop Liam Gallagher with ease.
Surely they have to be fairly mainstream to qualify?
Why? Being mainstream isn't a prerequisite to being a good front man as far as I can tell.
I will always claim Robbie Williams is one of the best front men around.
As much as he can be an irritating ****, he is a superb showman and knows how to work a crowd when he's on stage performing. Some good examples are his live at Knebworth performance and him on stage for "Swing when you're winning"; both totally different performances and suited the music.
Edit:
You know what.. I'm not even sure why I bothered posting in this thread. No matter what anyone says Gilly will disagree with them; mainly due to how big an Oasis fan he is.
That a large number of people consider the Gallagher brothers to be drunken loutish twats re-hashing Beatles songs in various guises will never even enter into the equation.
Its not because I'm a big Oasis fan that I disagree, its just that I don't agree :p
I've not really got across my reasoning very well, but I can't think of the words to explain it.
I agree with you that Robbie Williams is a fantabulous entertainer, but I wouldn't think of him as a frontman.
So you're saying that someone who stands at the front, is a great entertainer, leader of the group of people on stage, can work the crowd amazingly well, but he's not a frontman?
i'd definitely agree that Robbie Williams is an excellent frontman. he has a weird ability to whip any crowd into a frenzy, whether he's actually there or not. hear "his" songs in a club and everyone goes nuts...almost certainly down to his past musical career, but still; credit where it's due! (i almost typed "cretin" then...this also applies :p)
Justsomebloke
20-11-2006, 13:10
Robby gayboy Williams is a Fat tosser i hate him with a vengeance.
As a front man he is nothing more than a musical Norman Wisdom a complete fool or a midget version of Barrymore.
Liam is without doubt the Best frontman of that generation. Shame he seems like a complete tosser aswell but that is irrelvent as he is the best frontman.
I agree with you that Robbie Williams is a fantabulous entertainer, but I wouldn't think of him as a frontman.
He certainly wasn't a front man in Take That :) although he was maybe the most memorable one.
I think you need to define what a 'better front man' is.
BB x
I think you need to define what a 'better front man' is.
/nods
Gilly, as far as I can see, you've shot down lots of suggestions, but not presented you rown case for why Gallagher is better. 'Can't find the words' doesn't cut it, I'm afraid.
I'm not trying to pick on you btw, just expressing my view as to why this thread isn't working.
I know why the thread isn't working, its because I can't get across what I mean. Which is why I said it in the first place :/
Indeed you did. Please excuse any RRSI (repetitive reading strain injury). :)
So, is there anything we can do to help you find the right words?
Dymetrie
20-11-2006, 13:48
I know why the thread isn't working, its because I can't get across what I mean. Which is why I said it in the first place :/
Not sure what you mean by "isn't working" I'm afraid.
Your original post was stating that it wasn't possible to come up with a better frontman than Liam Gallagher, which is what quite a few of us have done. At least in our own opinions.
Try and figure out how to say what it was that you wanted to say and we can carry on from there :)
to be honest, it sounds like you're trying to say "agree with me that Liam is the best frontman ever". fair enough, that's what you think but there's bound to be people that disagree. the original post should've read:
I think Liam's the best frontman of our generation, if you agree with me that's cool...if you don't, that's cool too but i'm not interested in hearing from you.
lol lets all pick on Gilly!
I still maintain Axl Rose is an awesome front man although Robbie does the business, even though I do think he's a glorified club singer. He's not a 'front' man as he's a one man show as it were, but he's about the best entertainer there is at the moment.
i wasn't picking on Gilly :p that's just the impression i got from what he's said in the thread
I will always claim Robbie Williams is one of the best front men around.
Love him or loathe him, he can put on a show.
Matblack
20-11-2006, 18:34
Mick Jagger
Still touring still releasing records as is
Steve Tyler :p
I agree with Fish Paul :)
And Phil Collins
And add Adam Duritz and Anthony Kiedis!
MB
lol lets all pick on Gilly!
I still maintain Axl Rose is an awesome front man although Robbie does the business, even though I do think he's a glorified club singer. He's not a 'front' man as he's a one man show as it were, but he's about the best entertainer there is at the moment.
Shut up spam head :p or we'll all start picking on you again! :evil:
All I meant was some criteria... I've had this discussion with Gilly before and gave up because there was none :p it would just help - thats all I am saying.
BB x
Stan_Lite
20-11-2006, 19:42
Mick Jagger
Good shout.
I would suggest Ian Dury. Best gig I ever went to - the man's dedication to his art was inspirational.
Not a Liam Gallagher fan either.
Stan :)
Jack White from the Res Stripes?
Gwen Stephanie in No Doubt?
Kurt Cobain from Nivana? (Would've been in the same generation if he hadn't put a shotgun to his face)
Michael Stipe from REM?
Bono from U2 ?
Ok, the last two might have started way before Oasis.
All the more recently named people are from an earlier generation. Mick Jagger is the definitive frontman but he can't be called our (my?) generation.
I guess it depends on your definition of a frontman. As I said, I don't think Robbie applies.
For example James Dean Bradfield is very talented, is a great singer and musician but doesn't have that added extra that makes a good frontman. Thats why I was dubious about the Dave Grohl mention. Brilliant musician but to me he doesn't have that added something. Liam Gallagher (and though I'm a fan of Oasis I still thing he's a massive bellend) does, IMO.
I will never be convinced Liam Gallagher makes a half decent front man at all let alone the best one of our generation, he's OK enough but I never saw what all the fuss was about. Many other people named in this thread walk all over him without even making an effort. I can name ones easy enough from the type of music I like, though at the moment I am trying to think of others so thats it's not just skewed by my personal taste in music :) It's just taking me a while as they don't spring to mind right away... I'm not as 'with it' as I used to be ;) :p
The best frontman I've witnessed is Wayne Coyne of the Flaming Lips, whose mere presence on the stage before the support band even began to play was enough to bring huge cheers from a large crowd. Similarly he interacts and communicates with the crowd far better than I have seen any other frontman.
I've seen both Oasis and the Foo Fighters in the past and I won't dispute that Grohl is a fantastic frontman. Much like Wayne he has a real legendary status among the fans and can affect everyone in a crowd. Oasis on the whole put on a fantastic show but I think this is far more to do with the popularity of the songs than Liam Gallagher's talents as a frontman.
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