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HollyThirtyFive
12-12-2006, 23:18
Im quite shocked about all the murders that have happened recently, especially now all 5 girls have been found murdered.
Its worrying that there are actually people out there that could do this, especially 5 times and not get caught, but it must be awful for the people around that area as the person could strike again at any time.
Part of me feels that when people turn to prostitution that they take these risks, and it makes me sad to think that people have to resort to this, and how even though its illegal it all still goes on (like most illegal things of course)
Not much point to this thread, but its something quite scary/shocking thats in the news atm and thought I would say my views on it.
especially 5 times and not get caught
I consider this to be the most chilling bit. Heard someone on the radio (not sure if it was a policeman or a psych expert, or both) who was saying that the very fact that the bodies were taken to specific locations after being killed showed that the person was calm and careful. The idea that someone could evade capture for so long, in a relatively small area, with half the county looking for them, whilst still carrying out these acts either means you're looking at an unspeakably calculating, intelligent, and disturbed individual, or an extremely lucky idiot.
You beat me to it i was thinking the same. Its scary that its only taken him/her 10 days to kill those 5 women.
I know its not the 1st or 2nd killing spree on prostitutes but its still a huge shock. You just don't think serial killings happen. Well only in films!
I'm not one for watching the news, I'd rather sit in my lil bubble. Its the way i cope. So it was a huge shock to find out what is really happening in the real world!!!
My heart goes out to the Parents and Family of the women.
The whole of Ipswich walks with fear. Hope they find the killer asap!!!
It's only been a week hasnt it? Not really a long time at all if you compare it to other serial killers timescales. I'm guessing that the total media flooding is at the request or permission of the police? I bet the killer is loving every minute.
You just don't think serial killings happen. Well only in films!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country
Not good reading. :(
It's only been a week hasnt it? Not really a long time at all if you compare it to other serial killers timescales. I'm guessing that the total media flooding is at the request or permission of the police? I bet the killer is loving every minute.
5 in 2 weeks is quite a large number though :/
Personally I hate the way the media are making a big point of them being prostitutes. I don't care what they do for a living, they're people, they are someone's daughter, someone's sister, someone's friend. No one deserves to be murdered.
killerkebab
13-12-2006, 01:25
Five murders of prostitutes? Do we have a Jack the Ripper impersonator?
I've known several women who have been prostitutes at some point. They were all single mothers and paying themselves through university to get a better job for a better life for their kids.
Police are now searching the area where 2 of the bodies were found. I'm guessing they are searching for more bodies.
HollyThirtyFive
13-12-2006, 09:55
I guess being a prostitute is hard to understand when you dont know what they have to go through and what makes them do it. Its sad that some people get so desperate for money that they do that, although some women may enjoy it.
I really hope they dont find any more bodies. The news said this is the biggest man hunt in 30 years!
Admiral Huddy
13-12-2006, 10:15
It's only been a week hasnt it? Not really a long time at all if you compare it to other serial killers timescales. I'm guessing that the total media flooding is at the request or permission of the police? I bet the killer is loving every minute.
I think the media is fueling the situation rather than making everyone aware. My guess is that he or she is on a spree before being caught. I dare say that if there wasn't so much media then he/she may have not have kiiled so many in such a short space of time. He/She knows now that they are most wanted and it's only a matter of time before being caught. I guess they thinking to get as many in before so. The person has nothing to loose now.
It's frightening to think that it's so close and most of my friends and family live in Ipswich including Copdock, where one of the victims was found. Shocking really.
Matblack
13-12-2006, 10:24
I wrote a complaint to the BBC this morning about the interview with Paula Clennells father. It was a terrible situation to put the bloke in, he doesn't watch the news and hasn't seen the police so the BBC phoning him with the first real information he was getting and he was really distressed :/
Shoddy work by the Today programme and very very off target
MB
Admiral Huddy
13-12-2006, 10:32
#nods head# it's all about the sensationalism, the way they refer and compare each incident like it's a "top score" card. This morning on the news it was being reported as the worst murder spree in this country.. Oh haven't we short memories.. or they rely on us to have.. Hungerford spring to mind. Quite sickening really that they must do this. Report the facts and facts only, not try and make news.
I wrote a complaint to the BBC this morning about the interview with Paula Clennells father. It was a terrible situation to put the bloke in, he doesn't watch the news and hasn't seen the police so the BBC phoning him with the first real information he was getting and he was really distressed :/
Shoddy work by the Today programme and very very off target
MB
I disagree. I think it's more shocking and shoddy that the Police hadn't contacted him. He said that the first he knew was when he had a knock on the door and it was a journalist telling him about what had happened. He praised the journalists for keeping him informed and up to date with situation.
I then arrived at work and missed the rest of the interview.
The only person the media coverage will fuel is the killer. I actually think that the way its being handled is a positive idea (apart from MBs example). Rather than being an aside in the national press like most murders are, it is all everyone is thinking about. People are going to be aware and vigilant and they are far more likely to be reporting anything strange. In this case whats wrong with putting a bit of fear into people? He's killed 5 people very very quickly, I dont see that there is any other option than what is being done now.
Matblack
13-12-2006, 10:47
I disagree. I think it's more shocking and shoddy that the Police hadn't contacted him. He said that the first he knew was when he had a knock on the door and it was a journalist telling him about what had happened. He praised the journalists for keeping him informed and up to date with situation.
I then arrived at work and missed the rest of the interview.
I agree and disagree, IMHO the BBC should have got the police talking to him before they put him on air, at that point there was no confirmation that it was actually his daughter (yes, I know it was pretty much 100% it was her) but he was put in a situation where he was distressed on national radio. The BBC isn't the bloody Sun they should have put the bloke in a situation where he was comfortable and well informed before they put him on national radio.
MB
Admiral Huddy
13-12-2006, 10:49
The only person the media coverage will fuel is the killer.
Ah that is what i meant rather than the situation. Nope I guess you are right but the press must stop speculating. Speculation = unnecessary fear but at the same time people have a right to be told and be vigilant.
My mum rang me last week to ask if Teresa was ok when she went out last week in Ipswich. I wasn't sure how to take that :-
I agree and disagree, ...
MB
I agree. This was nothing more than a sad stunt for an exlcusive interview. Something that only the tabloids do to sell their papers. Obviously not.
I think he'll either stop (unlikely imho), or move on somewhere else. I still think he's moving very very quickly for a serial killer, I cant see him having the self control to just stop.
HollyThirtyFive
13-12-2006, 14:45
but then there was always the idea that it might not be just one person.
What worries me is that he wont find it easy to commit again in the ipswich area (the police would be bloody stupid if he did, or he would be very very clever!) so he could have hopped on a train and got to another town and be striking again. The police cant watch the whole country afterall!
Would it be unusual for a serial killer to have an accomplice and work so proficiently and fast? I'm going to have to dig out all my old psych books on profiling and psychos and stuff (I loved it all before I had the girls).
Admiral Huddy
13-12-2006, 15:51
Would it be unusual for a serial killer to have an accomplice and work so proficiently and fast?
I agree. I takes a really sick mind to do this. If there were an accomplice, then the lessor minded would have folded by now. It does seem that this person has a vendetta for prosititues in that particular area. It could be someone who has been personally affected by a prositute in the past from Ipswich.. Man or woman:(
Matblack
13-12-2006, 16:32
(I loved it all before I had the girls).
DO PANIC. SMUT ALARM HAS BEEN RESET
Go about your business
MB
I agree. I takes a really sick mind to do this. If there were an accomplice, then the lessor minded would have folded by now.
Not always. Remember Fred and Rosemary West. Although of course their murders were spread over the years.
Not always. Remember Fred and Rosemary West. Although of course their murders were spread over the years.
Thast what I mean. It would take a certain amount of maniplation and control of the weaker party, and this has happened so quickly would that be possible?
Its interesting that all the murders took place in relatively close distance to the A14. If you look at the map you can very quickly be back on the A14 travelling away from the scene before the public remembers seeing say a car in the area.
Another thing to see how clever this person is, is what forensic evidence there is on him that is left on the bodies. For example some of the girls were strangled, now you are going to punch, scratch during the event, so hopefully there will be something from that.
HollyThirtyFive
13-12-2006, 18:53
Its interesting that all the murders took place in relatively close distance to the A14. If you look at the map you can very quickly be back on the A14 travelling away from the scene before the public remembers seeing say a car in the area.
Another thing to see how clever this person is, is what forensic evidence there is on him that is left on the bodies. For example some of the girls were strangled, now you are going to punch, scratch during the event, so hopefully there will be something from that.
Their might not be fighting and punching if h drugged them, however i woul assume that theyll be doing tests fo any chemicals as they originally thought one of the girls were poisoned.
Women serial killers are very very rare (Hyndley and West aside, but they had male counterparts) It's unlikely, but not impossible I guess.
but then there was always the idea that it might not be just one person.
That was one of my initial thoughts. TBH I should imagine it's most probably a single male person who is doing this. I'm a bit like you pebbles - a tad obsessed with psychopaths and serial killers. The mind of a criminal has always fascinated me and it's cases like these that just make me want to go back to police work (sick and twisted I know).
It's kinda worried me slightly about my safety - Pickers is away tomorrow night and normally I would have tutorial in town and he'd drive me in and pick me up. I would have to drive in, park and walk to and from the centre tomorrow and tbh, knowing there's no one at home and very few people about that I know, I'm not so keen. I think I might get someone to take notes for me! Normally I'm one of these silly "I'm invincible, it'll never happen to me" person... but for some reason this whole case has struck a nerve.
It's obvious this chappy wouldn't come after me but y'know! I would think he's built relationships with these prostitutes so to carry out his needs.
Interesting case. Worrying, but interesting.
HollyThirtyFive
14-12-2006, 09:59
Now theyre saying that the serial killler could be linked with a murder 14 years ago. Thats quite along time ago, and a long time for a serial killer to keep control of himself (but then maybe thats why he killed 5 so quickly!)
Also it made me think that so many murders must go unsolved, and that means that people we see every day on the train could have done one and never got caught.
I studied criminology at college so do have an interest in crime/murders etc
Flibster
14-12-2006, 10:09
Now they're starting to link the current murders with one that happened many years ago - 16 yr old prostitute in Norwich - was found in Mousehold Heath in 1992 iirc.
Great....
^^^ D'OH
Flibster
14-12-2006, 10:55
Ooh - they've got a new name - rather than the Ipswich Ripper - which was a bit crap anyway, especially as he hadn't been riping anyone open *as far as we know*
They've gone to the Suffolk Strangler. Much better...in a weird kinda way.
HollyThirtyFive
14-12-2006, 14:29
According to my friend at the comedy awards Oliver Stone started maknig jokes about it...how about insensitive! Aparently the cameras quickly changed to someone else!
Some so-called celebs. :/
Admiral Huddy
18-12-2006, 12:27
News coming in RT that someone has been arrested. No details yet.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6189409.stm
Part of me just isn't convinced whether its him or not. The way the other prostitutes talk about him it seems a bit strange that he'd suddenly start killing them after looking after them like he has done. Strange but admittedly not impossible. I'll wait until he's been found guilty first before I accept it I suspect.
Well, looks like it wasn't him. I just hope some vigilante idiot doesn't shove a knife in his chest after he's had his photo and general location plastered all over the place. :/
However, here's hoping they've got their man...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6194351.stm
Well, looks like it wasn't him. I just hope some vigilante idiot doesn't shove a knife in his chest after he's had his photo and general location plastered all over the place. :/
Once again media vigilantisim makes a guy guilty before innocent and screws up people's lives, just like in rape cases.
Not even slightly surprised. The day he was nicked we had a discussion in the office and the situation all pointed to this being some time wasting attention seeker.
Not even slightly surprised. The day he was nicked we had a discussion in the office and the situation all pointed to this being some time wasting attention seeker.
He didn't even do that, it was the newspapers that turned it into a three ring circus. He was well known by all the prostitutes in the area as he's regularly out there doing stuff for them like bringing them cups of tea or taking them for a lift in his car until they've warmed up a bit; the papers got onto that and then turned the whole thing into a farce.
Matblack
22-12-2006, 19:42
He didn't even do that, it was the newspapers that turned it into a three ring circus. He was well known by all the prostitutes in the area as he's regularly out there doing stuff for them like bringing them cups of tea or taking them for a lift in his car until they've warmed up a bit; the papers got onto that and then turned the whole thing into a farce.
I got the impression he was doing a little more to them than that
MB
Probably, but no-one ever pinned the murder on him - except the media. There's a very good reason Police didn't confirm the identity of those they arrested, and the media just blew that away. If he's under police protection (I hope so), then they should send the bill to whoever broke the story including his identity.
It annoyed me how some of the media covered Tom Stevens. He has/had a Myspace account in which his handle was "The Bishop". The media bloody pounced on that straight away, making pathetic assumptions that his name may reflect a sacrilegious nature to the murders. Everybody on myspace has nicknames. :rolleyes:
It's like me being arrested and saying, "Craig's domain name was metrix.co.uk. We can only assume he believed in the Matrix, or some other sick belief."
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