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17" CRT monitors which can only do 60Hz at 1280x1024 SUCK.
Fact.
That is all.
They sure do. What also sucks is coming into the office to find that some prick has swapped your nice 24" widescreen TFT for a 17" TFT. Heads will roll.
Got a few of them at work. One of them went bang a few months back and got swapped for another. :/
Only on servers though, and I just use remote admin to avoid the problem. :)
17" CRT monitors which can only do 60Hz at 1280x1024 SUCK.
Fact.
That is all.
Shame you didn't mention this at the weekend. You could have had a nice 18" NEC MultiSync tft
mejinks - :( - wish I'd known.
My screen has been suffering for a while, I'm planning on replacing it with an LG 20" tft (http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4C9L&SearchType=1&SearchTerms=LG&PageMode=3&SearchKey=All&SearchMode=All&NavigationKey=50383) either in Jan or Feb next year but it's finally gone into "won't start up if I'm cold" mode. A while ago it reduced the image width by about an inch at 1600x1200 so I wound it down to 1280x1024 and it was OK but I knew it was failing.
It's not done bad though, Iiyama 19" CRT Diamondtron (the Mitsubishi version of Trinitron) screen which must be 8 or 9 years old back from when 19" monitors were £OMGHOWMUCH? to buy.
Borrowed this 17" from work today, I'm now down to 1024x768.
I think my eyes are going to fall out before I can get the new one :(
If you'd told me, I'd have given you a 19" CRT on the way home from Swansea. Taking up space I need here. :(
Messiah Khan
19-12-2006, 10:00
Dell 2405 or 2407 is the way to go as im sure Baddass will agree. Ive got a 2405, and its the best thing ive ever bought for my pc. It almost makes browsing an intense experience.:D
Dell 2405 or 2407 is the way to go as im sure Baddass will agree. Ive got a 2405, and its the best thing ive ever bought for my pc. It almost makes browsing an intense experience.:D
/Hates you like I hate Badd "I have to have a bigger screen than you" ass :angry: ;D
Matblack
19-12-2006, 10:12
I offered him my full 21"s and he rejected it :(
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I offered him my full 21"s and he rejected it :(
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length or girth? :D
I offered him my full 21"s and he rejected it :(
length or girth? :D
I did, it was too tall :(
Dell 2405 or 2407 is the way to go as im sure Baddass will agree. Ive got a 2405, and its the best thing ive ever bought for my pc. It almost makes browsing an intense experience.:D
2405 is no longer available and 2407 is far too expensive, well out of my price range.
2405 is no longer available and 2407 is far too expensive, well out of my price range.
Shame, they're fantastic monitors. I've got 2 x 2405 & 1 x 2407 here.
Yeah, they are. Don't own one but I have seen them.
The 2007s are a little more affordable - £269 for a manufacturer refurb.
If you want Feek, I can ask my Dell account manager what price he can give for a 2007 and 2407. He's make a few mistakes recently which almost meant him losing a £1m account so he needs to be nice to me. Slight snag is that he's off until 4th Jan.
Yes please, it's not going to be until probably the end of Jan that I'm buying.
If you want Feek, I can ask my Dell account manager what price he can give for a 2007 and 2407. He's make a few mistakes recently which almost meant him losing a £1m account so he needs to be nice to me. Slight snag is that he's off until 4th Jan.
Dont suppose you asked him about that TV by any chance? No worries if not :) Think I've got a big SAN expenditure coming up in a couple of months, that should get me some nice stuff :D
Aye, I meant to say to you that it was a non starter. Sorry dude.
Dont worry about it dude, was never important :)
Yes please, it's not going to be until probably the end of Jan that I'm buying.
I've emailed him and will let you know what he says.
Stan_Lite
21-12-2006, 17:21
If you want Feek, I can ask my Dell account manager what price he can give for a 2007 and 2407. He's make a few mistakes recently which almost meant him losing a £1m account so he needs to be nice to me. Slight snag is that he's off until 4th Jan.
Hmmm.
Don't suppose you can get a good deal on a 3007, can you?
I have a 2405 and it rawks, I really fancy a 3007.
Stan :)
I would too if the 3007 had a scaler built in. :(
Some day I'll find the money for a 2407, but that some day isn't going to be for a while.
Hmmm.
Don't suppose you can get a good deal on a 3007, can you?
I have a 2405 and it rawks, I really fancy a 3007.
Stan :)
I'll see what I can do :)
I want a 3007 too, but I can't justify the expense. Plus I do already have 2 x 2405 & 1 x 2407 here :D
just seen that you can get the 2407 for 550.... That is very very tempting. My 19"tft is behaving itself again at the moment so there is no rush. Its either that or the BenQ once they have sorted the 1:1 mapping issue out.
I have a 15" tft knocking around if thats any help to people. I think it will only do 1024*768 though.
/Hates you like I hate Badd "I have to have a bigger screen than you" ass :angry: ;D
lol, purely coincidence Skully!
ps, a monitors thread on BD!! awesome! :p
I've emailed him and will let you know what he says.
Any reply from him yet?
ps, a monitors thread on BD!! awesome! :p
I aim to please! Be interested to know what you think of the Dell ones, and also the LG (http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4C9L&SearchType=1&SearchTerms=LG&PageMode=3&SearchKey=All&SearchMode=All&NavigationKey=50383) one that I'm looking at.
Not yet. He's back at work tomorrow so I'll ask him when I phone to shout at him.
Be interested to know what you think of the Dell ones, and also the LG (http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4C9L&SearchType=1&SearchTerms=LG&PageMode=3&SearchKey=All&SearchMode=All&NavigationKey=50383) one that I'm looking at.
Well between the Dell 2007WFP, Dell 2407WFP and LG L204WT you've got quite a range of price and performance to contend with really. The 2007WFP is pretty popular right now and offers some good all round performance. This is obviously in direct competition with the L204WT but uses a completely different panel technology, being S-IPS based as opposed to TN Film (panel tech info here (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/specs.htm) for reference). The Dell therefore offers some noticeable advantages over the L204WT including much wider viewing angles (S-IPS are truly very wide, whereas TN Film is pretty restrictive, especially vertically). Colour quality is also superior since the Dell uses an 8-bit panel, whereas the LG uses 6-bit (albeit with Frame Rate Control / Dithering to improve available colour palette). In practice there may not be much noticable different, but S-IPS is widely regarded as the panel tech of choice for graphics / colour enthusiasts, so the Dell may well hold the advantage here.
The 2007WFP is pretty comparable to the LG in terms of responsiveness (dont be fooled by the difference in quoted response times here), movie playback (neither particularly brilliant in this regard tbh), and black depth. Black depth is actually one of the wek points of S-IPS, and the LG may even hold the slight advantage here since it features LG's Digital Fine Contrast, a form of dynamic contrast control which can improve contrast ratios / black depth on the fly for gaming and multimedia applications. Both are good screens though, and well price, just trying to give you a comparison as best I can of their pros and cons. The Dell also has more functionality and a wider range of interfaces which may or may not be beneficial to you in your use.
The Dell 2407WFP is a different kettle of fish again. Obviously the extra size and resolution is very nice for office use, gaming, movies, everything really. Performance is very good all round, with decent responsiveness, 8-bit colour depth and decent colour accuracy, and wide viewing angles. Viewing angles are not quite as wide as S-IPS (Dell 2007WFP), but black depth is superior (the 2407WFP is based on a Samsung S-PVA panel btw). Again, good functionality and connectivity. If you can stretch to this model, it is well worth considering. As Stan said, we spoke about this kind of situation a while ago and he's been very happy with his 2405FPW (as i have with mine for that matter). Obv it's a fair amount more though, so if you do want to stick to something less extravagent, the 20"WS models are decent still.
what are you planning to use the screen for btw? Hopefully some of the above helps seperate the models in terms of pros and cons though :)
A great reply, and very helpful.
It's for general home use, bit of mail, bit of photo editing, bit of everything really. The main thing on it as it's going to be my main screen is Eve which isn't a fast paced game by any means. I'm unlikely to be playing movies.
The 24" will just fit in the space so it's all down to how much I can justify spending on it.
no probs Feek :) For general use, i'd say they will all be fine really. Just see whether you can justify the extra for the 24" or not. if you need any advice or anything just give me a shout too....
Still no reply back from Mr. Dell. I suspect he's too busy trying to sort out the £108K order of mine he totally stuffed up.
Yep. Not the biggest order I've pushed their way either, I think that was about £215k.
Diamond studded servers and goldplated monitors?
Well with an order that size, I'd imagine he'd be bending over backwards to help you out so therefore any figure he finally comes through with should be incredibly competitive.
"Hey Mr. Account Manager, sort me out a price for a 2407 to keep me happy"
"Right o. [looks at size of current order on screen] *pause*. Is fifty quid too much?"
:D :D
I think someone somewhere has made a mistake. I asked our European Dell buyer for prices for these.
2007 - 440€
2407 - 660€
So I asked our UK supplier (not direct through Dell)
2007 - £230
2407 - £630
I think the second price for the 2407 looks more realistic, I think Hen in Holland may have got something slightly wrong.
Is that plus VAT? Not too bad compared to the website price. I think the 2007's we have at work are warranty til ~mid 2009 and about £225 + vat. Don't know if it's the latest revision though (unlikely).
Rumour has it Dell will be using viewsonic parts for their screens soon?
Yes, plus VAT but you're missing the point that the first prices are in Europs and the second ones are in Sterling.
440€ is about £280 so a bit more expensive than the £230 I was quoted by my UK supplier.
But
660€ is about £440 which is a heck of a lot cheaper than the £630 I was quoted by our UK bod.
So someone's made a mistake.
Sorry :) Was more seeing how we compared!
Arse, Mr. Dell hasn't sorted my order or given me monitor prices yet. I've just left him a voicemail and told him to stop pissing about and get it sorted.
I checked, and my 2407 came in at £450, the 2007 at £230.
Mr. Dell has given me a quote and I ain't terribly impressed with it.
2007 - £230
2407 - £405
3007 - £815
Prices are ex VAT. Add a tenner on to get a 3 year warranty.
Thanks Burbs. They're higher than I expected I think.
I was quoted some more figures today but I'm not sure until tomorrow whether they include VAT or not so I can't comment on how they compare :(
Best prices I've had so far are £225 for the 2007 and your £405 for the 2407.
So it's cheaper to buy a 2007 from a little computer place in Maldon than it is to buy it through a Dell account manager by a customer who spends multiple hundreds of thousands of pounds!
Stupid.
The situation has changed slightly, I'm probably about a month to five weeks away from buying so it's a good bet I'll have enough cash to go for the 2407, unless there's a new model out then. Knowing my luck there will be and it'll be a case of starting all over again *sigh*
Stupid.
Yep. You would have thought that for a customer who has spent something in the region of £1.2m in the last 3 years they'd give me a super nice price, but no.
I doubt the 2407 will disappear for a while yet. There is talk of a 2707 but I'm not sure how far that's progressed (and it'll cost more, obviously).
Yep. You would have thought that for a customer who has spent something in the region of £1.2m in the last 3 years they'd give me a super nice price, but no.
Did you try the trick of laughing when he gave you the prices?
Did you try the trick of laughing when he gave you the prices?
No, but I've already told him that a £40k software order has gone elsewhere due to his inability to organise the proverbial in a brewery.
Best prices I've had so far are £225 for the 2007 and your £405 for the 2407.
So it's cheaper to buy a 2007 from a little computer place in Maldon than it is to buy it through a Dell account manager by a customer who spends multiple hundreds of thousands of pounds!
Stupid.
The situation has changed slightly, I'm probably about a month to five weeks away from buying so it's a good bet I'll have enough cash to go for the 2407, unless there's a new model out then. Knowing my luck there will be and it'll be a case of starting all over again *sigh*
Are the ones from Maldon refurbs or new? Cos I had a look and the ones I mentioned are technically refurbs - but you can't actually tell the difference as it's all new components etc.
As far as I know they're new. I had a word with our account manager there who spoke to Dell.
You know which firm I'm talking about?
* grumbles about still using a 6 or 7 year old Gem 18.1" LCD *
I hate you all. ;) The thought of even TRYING to spend almost a grand on a 2407 is laughable to me right now. :(
You know which firm I'm talking about?
Nope. Just didn't think there were any re-sellers as such as Dell do it all direct. Just outlets for refurb/returned stuff.
Nope. Just didn't think there were any re-sellers as such as Dell do it all direct. Just outlets for refurb/returned stuff.
It's a myth that Dell don't use resellers. They don't advertise the fact, but they do use them.
True enough - it used to be true, but hasn't been for quite some time now. Never mind the online retailers I'm sure we all know, I was surprised to find a retail store at the Gateshead Metro Centre with both 2007 and 2407 monitors on display.
leowyatt
27-01-2007, 11:35
I know this isn't entirely related but was wondering if we'd see an equivalent to this (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=52555685) over here. I think that comes out to roughly £142 :shocked:
Iiyama have a 22" model I think. Have a gander over Scum's(otherside)/Scan's website.
I decided that the 24" was just too physically large for the available deskspace, so I've just ordered the 2007WFP :D
Should be with me in a couple of days, yay \o/
In some of the labs at uni it's as if they haven't installed the graphics drivers. I physically cannot use them as they give me a headache - moving windows around is such a painful task as it takes an hour for it to get to where you move it and goes like a slide show.
Hence why I don't go to that lab :)
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