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Matblack
17-07-2006, 14:55
Bugger

After driving Will Gills P1 at the weekend the Clio seems so tame :angry:

Yes anything is going to feel tame apart from a proper supercar but I feel I need something new.

Currently I think an S3 with a Revo tune would get my blood pumping, yes its a SEAT but it has an certain image, I'm getting a bit older now and I don't think I would feel comfortable in an imprezza day to day. It also needs to get me from Kent to Pembroke every now and again without drinking 2 tanks of petrol.

I don't like BMWs and I won't be buying one, yes it might be the sensible choice but I just can't do it, Aitch doesn't like them either so they're out.

So sub 7secs 0-60, faster the better, 4 seats with room in the back to actually put passengers in and classy.

Can we think of anything apart from the S3? Budget is about £15 and around 3 years old with less than 40,000 would be cool but if is still feels tight I would consider older and more miles.

MB

Burble
17-07-2006, 15:03
S3 + Revo is a good combination. I went to Revo with my car a few years back, and was very pleased with how things worked out.

My next car is pretty much decided upon, there is just the small matter of finding the cash for it.

Matblack
17-07-2006, 15:20
How much are the Cupras going for these days?

Ugly but quick.

Hmmmm not overly happy with the image, I'd like something which has a bit of class now, nothing wrong with them nice car but a few too many of them around and owned by boy racers with cash.

MB

Flibster
17-07-2006, 17:45
RX-8?

Gives you the excuse to say ****el a lot in polite company. ;)

Simon/~Flibster

Zirax
17-07-2006, 18:15
RX-8?

Gives you the excuse to say ****el a lot in polite company. ;)

Simon/~Flibster

Not really sure on motors in this price range, but that one was the only one which came to mind.

Burble
17-07-2006, 18:44
Golf R32?

That'll be my next shiny new toy.

Matblack
18-07-2006, 12:37
That'll be my next shiny new toy.

Never been a big fan of Golfs although that car is pretty amazing. The RX8 is an interesting suggestion I might have alook at those although I doubt they hold their value as well as the Audi

MB

Flibster
18-07-2006, 12:47
Audi holds between 58% and 61% of it's value after 3 years
RX8 holds 61% of it's value after 3 years

Thats for the V6 Quattro A3's and the book I've got next to me doesn't have the S3 in it *eh??*

Simon/~Flibster

GTA
18-07-2006, 14:08
Fiat Coupe? Boxster?

Matblack
18-07-2006, 14:11
Fiat Coupe? Boxster?

I've moved from a CRX to the Clio and now I really think I need something a bit bigger, I like sports cars but at some point we're going to want to have kids and I want to be able to put up a reason to keep my current car rather than but a Xara Picasso or something equally as hidious. :D

MB

GTA
18-07-2006, 15:02
Plus a Boxster is a bit gay and a Fiat Coupe is ****ing ugly :p

Boxster may be a little gay, but it does hold about 70% of its value over 3 years and corners and goes beautifully.

And I love the way the Coupe looks, its a personal thing I guess. Cheap as well.

Will
18-07-2006, 18:31
I like the S3 - I've driven my Aunts when she had one, it was the turbo'ed version as opposed to the "S-line" 3.2L V6 jobbies they seem to have now. Awesome machine. Plus it's not FWD which is always a bonus ;)

Matblack
18-07-2006, 18:32
I like the S3 - I've driven my Aunts when she had one, it was the turbo'ed version as opposed to the "S-line" 3.2L V6 jobbies they seem to have now. Awesome machine. Plus it's not FWD which is always a bonus ;)

True although its not true 4WD like the Impreza its a Haldex

MB

Will
18-07-2006, 18:52
True although its not true 4WD like the Impreza its a Haldex

MB

True but the Haldex limited slip coupling is pretty damn good. Some would argue that it's better than a full on AWD system.

Dr. Z
19-07-2006, 03:05
Mondeo ST220? Gorgeous cars, practical, quick (6.8 to 60 in the real world) and lovely v6 noise to go with it. £18k brand new from a broker IIRC, so a s/h example ought to be WELL under budget.

mejinks
19-07-2006, 15:26
Why not consider the slightly older cars and earn a bit of respect too...

Ahem:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1967-FORD-MUSTANG-GTA-CONVERTIBLE_W0QQitemZ200007168354QQihZ010QQcategor yZ29755QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Renault-Alpine-GTA-V6-Turbo-Collectors-car_W0QQitemZ190010285316QQihZ009QQcategoryZ122152 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Or a Nissan Skyline or Nissan 200sx s14a?

Matblack
19-07-2006, 18:09
Hmmmmmm quote on Porsche 911 CARRERA 2

£715 :cool:

MB

Zirax
19-07-2006, 19:19
Hmmmmmm quote on Porsche 911 CARRERA 2
£715 :cool:
MB

Not bad, but can you get a half decent carrera 2 for that money? Seen a few on trader, but they are getting on

GTA
19-07-2006, 19:21
There's a reason the Coupe is cheap. Its cost one of our guys here 12k to keep his on the road over 3.5 years.

Sounds like he was bloody unlucky then, thats by no means typical according to the owners club.

Matblack
25-07-2006, 14:59
I'm still lusting over an S3, this is a bad sign, usually when I get an idea in my head to buy something, it either gets forgotten about reasonably fast or I get obsessive :undecided:

A company over the other side of the M25 have one in Nargaro Blue with less than 40k on the clock for under £15k.

Colour may not be to everyones taste but this is what it looks like, its got black leather not cream though.

If they still have it at the weekend might go and have a look :embarassed:

MB


http://www.audioimports.com/cars/S3b/AS3b-205.jpg

Desmo
25-07-2006, 15:05
Looking nice MB. I like the S3 and I LOVE that colour :D

leowyatt
25-07-2006, 15:10
Looks like a tasty S3 there, I'd love one myself :)

Go on you know you want to buy it ;D

Matblack
25-07-2006, 15:31
http://users.autoexposure.co.uk/classicdd.cfm?Account=AETA73346&VehicleID=AETV547530&Photo=http://users.autoexposure.co.uk/is/remotemanaged/AETA73346/AETV547530_1a.jpg

This is the one

http://users.autoexposure.co.uk/is/remotemanaged/AETA73346/AETV547530_1b.jpg

Blackstar
25-07-2006, 15:45
That blue is nice but the car is the wrong shape to pull it off IMO.

Black or silver with multispokes for the win if you are getting that shape S3 :)

I know you dont like BMWs, but have you considered an Alpina B10? Great cars and with Alpina on the back you dont get the same level of BMW-ness. They go like stink too, and an absolutely immaculate one can be had for your budget :)

EDIT: *MUST* check who is signed in at the top of the page before I hit post! - its DRZ here ;)

Burble
25-07-2006, 22:16
Having picked up a shiny new Golf R32 hirecar in Munich yesterday I'm even more sure that I want one. I want one now. Right now!

I'm going to have a proper look at finances in the next few weeks then go shopping.

Matblack
26-07-2006, 22:28
Oh Dear

I went and sat in an S3 today a silver one with black and cream alacantara seats and it was really nice. The quaility is so evident when you close the door, it weighs a ton and make a really satisfying clunk.

However I also spend a good few miles caining the 172 and I'm really torn :(. Driven hard in the twistys the 172 is amazingly fun and just holds and holds and holds. I let a colleauge drive it (she has a 1.4 Ibiza) and she was scared of the power and had a massive smile on her face through the whole drive.

I just don't know what to do, the S3 is great and well built the Clio is great fun and a rattletrap but will cost me nothing to keep (unless of course it blows up) :undecided:

MB

Flibster
27-07-2006, 08:40
Clio 192?

The looks are growing on me - at first I thought yuch...
Now, I kind of like it.

Simon/~Flibster

Matblack
27-07-2006, 10:01
Clio 192?

The looks are growing on me - at first I thought yuch...
Now, I kind of like it.

Simon/~Flibster

192 isn't much faster, heavier (so the 20PS is just absorbed) and still as bloody rattly and badly built as the 172, some people are saying it isn't as much fun as the 172. Effectively its the same engine that I've been taking to the redline in every gear in the 172 and know like the back of my hand. Its a good car but if you want to increase the BHP it needs throttle bodies and that a £2000+ job :(

I need style and class and speed and quieter ride on the motorway for going down to Wales and coming to meets, the 172 is a chore to drive to Alton Towers for example.

I suppose I am unltimate candidate for a BMW too, they have what I require and a 3l petrol or deisel would be ideal, but I just don't like them and neither does H its a stupid prejudice that I just can't shake :undecided:

MB

MB

Flibster
27-07-2006, 11:54
Don't blame you - BMW's are revolting things tbh.
Hate them with a passion.

Only BMW I'd ever consider owning is a 2002 CSL

Thought about the new Mazda 3 MPS?
Not a bad looking car and reliable as well. Built on the new Focus chassis too.

Can't really think of much else at the moment.

Simon/~Flibster

Matblack
27-07-2006, 12:05
Don't blame you - BMW's are revolting things tbh.
Hate them with a passion.

Only BMW I'd ever consider owning is a 2002 CSL

Thought about the new Mazda 3 MPS?
Not a bad looking car and reliable as well. Built on the new Focus chassis too.

Can't really think of much else at the moment.

Simon/~Flibster

Interesting suggestion, I wonder what prices will be like when its released I don't think its out till 2007 :huh:

I have two S3 test drives booked for the weekend one in a Silver 03 with 30k and in in a Blue 02 with 17k, we shall see what happens.

If the S3 doesn't excite me I think I'm stuffed as I can't find anything else I would consider a good swap for the 172.

MB

Dr. Z
27-07-2006, 12:09
I suppose I am unltimate candidate for a BMW too, they have what I require and a 3l petrol or deisel would be ideal, but I just don't like them and neither does H its a stupid prejudice that I just can't shake :undecided:

MB

MB


ALPINA!!!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/89412.htm

Gorgeous!

Flibster
27-07-2006, 12:15
Aaah.

Thought the Mazda 3 MPS was due out this year - looks like Q1 next year instead.

Arse.

Errr... Will have a shuffle through the various things I've got at home as I'm looking at changing my car before the meet. :D

Already decided mine though - RX-8 231 *cos I'm not allowed an Elise/Exige :(* If I get it in time you can have a play with it at the meet.

Caution - it may be in yellow though. :shocked:

Simon/~Flibster

Matblack
27-07-2006, 12:23
ALPINA!!!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/89412.htm

Gorgeous!

Looks like a BMW and the inside is like a S&M whores bedroom :huh:

MB

Flibster
27-07-2006, 12:27
Pre Chavved?

Matblack
27-07-2006, 12:47
Around here there are just so many BMW being driven around by chavs that the whole image has been ruined for me. They are obviously good cars and go in pretty much forever, probably a lot less complicated putting a larger engine in to get more BHP than stressing a little 1.8 by bolting on a turbo but then the 1.8 has the advantage of being a bit more frugal on a long run.

If I don't go Audi the options which fit the image I would like will be Merc and SAAB I think, SAAB don't make anything fast enough and if you want a fast Merc you'd better be prepared to pay for it with a massive engine and a big service bill. I'm a bit lost now but if the S3 is a major improvement in the 172 thenI think its going to be THE car.

I also saw that for £55 they can retrofit ISOFIX so it could still be THE car for a while to come :D

MB

Dr. Z
27-07-2006, 14:04
S6 > S3 :p

Matblack
27-07-2006, 14:50
S6 > S3 :p

Whats you're point Martin ;D

The S3 is an entirely different car to the S6 or the RS4 or the S4 the S6 is far too big and thirsty for my needs :huh:

Back on the point, I've been looking at the RX-8 online and I'm considering getting a drive in one, it would seem that it has most of what I'm looking for, although it also seems to have horrible fuel econony :( which I'm not sure i could put up with, not being able to get all the way to Wales on a tank of petrol when the car has a bigger capacity then my clio is a bit of a :/

Very tempted to go and see if I fit in one though and maybe go for a test drive.

MB

Flibster
27-07-2006, 14:51
Shame that Saab is out of the window. They are superb cars.

They really need to be RWD though instead of FWD.

The 95 Aero HOT is my favourite of the lot. ;)

Simon/~Flibster

Daz
27-07-2006, 14:53
The RX-8 would cost a fair chunk more to maintain as well you'd think.

Matblack
27-07-2006, 15:05
Shame that Saab is out of the window. They are superb cars.

They really need to be RWD though instead of FWD.

The 95 Aero HOT is my favourite of the lot. ;)

Simon/~Flibster

Too Slow :(

Too Big and too expensive if something goes wrong I feel.

MB

Flibster
27-07-2006, 15:16
Get a test drive in the RX8. :D
You must hear the beep!

Things may want to know.

The stereo is pretty damn good.
There is an *unofficial* option to add a aux connector to the stereo unit so mp3 players can be plugged in - these are around £50 iirc
You will need to use all the RPM to get it moving quickly.
It will not feel that quick as the engine revs so effortlessly, but the handling is where it rules.
It's most efficient between 3000-5000 rpm.
The rear suicide doors work well.
The rear seats do fit me in comfortably - there is only 2 though as the driveshaft passes between them.
Fuel economy is due to the ****el. Superb engine, but not that efficient. Better than past efforts though.
Do not get one with a sunroof - it removes a couple of inches of headroom.
The standly supplied tyres *Bridgestone Re040's* are terrible in the wet - the 050's are much better
The Evolve version has a revolting interior. :sick:
The PZ Prodrive version is not worth the extra cash.
The Satnav isn't worth it - get a tomtom unit instead
The Leather interior is worth it.
The interior feels good - everything is in the right place.
Motorway cruising is very quiet.
The alloy trim *strakes, emblem, wheels, kick plates* have a habit of corroding. They get replaced without quibble.

Colours to take a look at - the red looks superb in sunlight, especially with the red/black 2 tone interior.
Black looks great but wil NEVER be clean. ;)
The Silver/grey are disapointingly dull
The paler of the 2 blues is the most popular
The darker blue is very dull
The yellow is mad and rare and I love it.

190/231 differences
231 has more power, slightly less torque, xenons and headlight washers, 6 speed box, metal pedals and most importantly 1500 more rpm's to play with.

I've heard nothing but good things about the Letchworth dealer *my local one - maybe a little far for you though* but get a good long test drive in one - see if you can take it down roads that you know well as it's a superb handling car.

I first drove one in march - since then it has been in pole position for my next car *as I'm still not allowed an Elise/Exige :(* It pissed all over the competition tbh which included much more powerfull cars *M3, Chipped Astra VXR etc..*

Daz - the RX8 is a reasonably cheap car to maintain in comparison to what it competes with.

12k service intervals and if you supply your own oil *rx8ownersclub members get a big discount on good oil* the services are under £100 generally.

The only other expense is the oil topups *once run in - 1l every 2000 miles* and the fuel.

Simon/~Flibster

Matblack
27-07-2006, 15:53
The only other expense is the oil topups *once run in - 1l every 2000 miles* and the fuel.

Simon/~Flibster


You forgot that the fuel consumption is absolutely attrocious :D

MB

Flibster
27-07-2006, 16:07
You forgot that the fuel consumption is absolutely attrocious :D

MB

Hence it's under expences. ;)

When you compare it to the other cars its designed to compete with it's not too bad really. It's roughly the same as running a Nissan 350z *which has an engine 2.5x the size. ;)*

Still a fabulous car though. :D

Simon/~Flibster

Matblack
27-07-2006, 17:47
Still a fabulous car though. :D

Simon/~Flibster
Yes and a very interesting drive. I just bunked off work half an hour early and test drive one, the power delivery is certainly interesting, almost completely linear and you just don't know when its reached its redline until, beep beep :D

Falls into the right price range too, my only concern would be not being able to get to Wales on a full tank, I suppose I would get used to it though, 1/3rd more expensive to fill up and less miles on a tank :huh: It will need some consideration and a second test and to get past the wife ;D

MB

Dr. Z
27-07-2006, 19:14
Rilot had one and wrote a review when he got shut of his after about a year.

He didnt have that much to say that was good about it IIRC...

Flibster
27-07-2006, 19:18
:D

Was it a 231 or a 190 you drove?

They can do 300 miles on a tank...somehow... Not that I'd ever manage it - the beep is too addictive.

As I only do around 7000 miles a year the fuel consumption isn't that much of an issue for me.

Also - take a look at some insurance quotes as well. Some something thats a quick as it is the insurance is stupidly reasonable.

For me - age 28, 4 years NCB, not the best area, on street parking, no points - £470

Thats only £30 more than my Megane Coupe 2.0 16V IDE Monaco :D

As my drive to work is mainly backroads it's the handling over power that matters for me.

Simon/~Flibster

Flibster
27-07-2006, 19:25
Rilot had one and wrote a review when he got shut of his after about a year.

He didnt have that much to say that was good about it IIRC...

Look what he bought to replace it though.

A bigger better sports car?

No.

An Audi A8... :shocked:

He does many motorway miles and the RX8 isn't the most suitible car for that to be honest.

Simon/~Flibster

Matblack
27-07-2006, 19:40
:D

Was it a 231 or a 190 you drove?
It was a 231

Very snug inside and would be a squeeze behind me for a passenger due to leg room but feels great, raised a big smile, its not that much faster than the 172 but it feels much smoother and would be more fun around corners (if thats possible) and in the motorway (which is definately possible), I'm in the same boat as you my mileage is minimal but the trips to Wales would cost me a packet.

I can't search to find Rilot's review, for some reason I seem to have been banned from OcUK

MB

Daz
27-07-2006, 19:46
http://forums.over{ARF}clockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17536051

Flibster
27-07-2006, 19:56
Try using...

http://anonym.to/?http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17536051

Should hide the origin nicely. ;)

Simon/~Flibster

Flibster
27-07-2006, 20:08
It was a 231

Very snug inside and would be a squeeze behind me for a passenger due to leg room but feels great, raised a big smile, its not that much faster than the 172 but it feels much smoother and would be more fun around corners (if thats possible) and in the motorway (which is definately possible), I'm in the same boat as you my mileage is minimal but the trips to Wales would cost me a packet.

MB

The layout of everything feels right to me. It's all within reach.

The space behind the seats is the same to me, I have my seat all the way down and back making it a bit of a squeeze in the back, but I'm sure that a small person could get in there. Still more space than my Megane. :D

The handling is still the best thing though.

Simon/~Flibster

Matblack
27-07-2006, 20:45
I'm begining to talk myself out of it a little, mostly because of the S3 but until I drive it I won't know, roll on Saturday 9.30am.

I was quite shocked at Rilots revelations about the actual 0-60 time and the power output, its pretty consistant for the Audi so it will be interesting to see how fast it actually feels in comparison. I'm not a finesse driver and although I love the cornering in the Clio I long for the explosive acceleration the Revo'd S3 might give :evil:

MB

William
28-07-2006, 10:35
The only other expense is the oil topups *once run in - 1l every 2000 miles* and the fuel.



That's not too bad, I would say I use about that.

Matblack
29-07-2006, 18:03
Hmmmmm

Well I've driven the S3, and I was impressed, impressed but the acceleration and impressed by the build quality

However I didn't find it very engaging to drive, a little lacking in character and with quite a high agression factor, I have a feel I would either have to drive it very very hard or just feel numb all the time.

On the way back from there I thought, lets go and have a nose around some other dealerships, H was game so we looked in Toyota (don't like the new Celica) and Nissan (350Z is too expensive) however the Nissan dealer is opposite the BMW dealer and we thought we'd take a wander over and have a look at what they had. Whilst we were there I found a car I really really liked, they were busy but took my details and gave a call 30 minutes later asking if I could go back for a test drive this afternoon. I was there for two hours in which I saw some brilliant customer service and drove a car which made me smile like a 3 year old given a lollypop, not a fast car but an exhilerating drive, 6 gears which is something I wanted for the long trips to meets and to see mum and dad and massively fun around town with a ltd slip dif and tons of character :D

So I am now seriously thinking about buying brand new, the car comes with 3 year warentee and all servicing is included in the price for 5 years!

£19k for the spec I want and it has one of the best residuals of any car currently on the market so I feel that I'm just investing rather than throwing my cash away.

I must be mental! But I can't help but smile :)

MB

Dr. Z
29-07-2006, 18:09
You drove a Mini? Cooper S Works or nowt but you will still look like an idiot :p

Matblack
29-07-2006, 18:16
You drove a Mini? Cooper S Works or nowt but you will still look like an idiot :p

Cooper S and I don't care ;D

I really really really don't care, its the most fun car, I smile when I think of mmy test drive and its just got such a nature to it I know I'll drive it and love it, what should I car what I look like when I'm one inside having fun.

And its a slightly macho colour scheme

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3277/200320cooper20s20grey20front20leftpv0.jpg

Mini Love :party2:

MB

Dr. Z
29-07-2006, 18:19
How much more is it for the Works?

If you dont care about the perception etc and you love the car then go for it :D I was just yanking your chain :p

Matblack
29-07-2006, 18:41
How much more is it for the Works?

Lots!

About £3.5k

They have one coming in but its light blue :/

MB

Flibster
29-07-2006, 18:54
My opinion of the new Mini *in all of it's guises* is well known....

http://www.boat-drinks.co.uk/showthread.php?t=329 - contained in there.

Horrid car.

Not surprised that the S3 didn't float your boat as it were...
Great car - but seriously dull.

Simon/~Flibster

Will
29-07-2006, 19:13
OMG I agree with Simon! :embarassed:

Seriously though Matt, if you enjoyed it, go for it. It's for you and if it brings a smile to your face then it's all good. :)

mejinks
30-07-2006, 03:02
I'll make a deal with you Matt. Don't buy a car until you have driven mine. Its nearly on 100k now and still feels as sharp and still put out the same bhp it did the day it left the factory.

How many other cars can you say that about?

If I changed my car now, I would be looking at:

BMW 330 Cdi - Fun, Fast, expensive
Renault Laguna 1.9tdi - Really Comfy, reasonable economy, French build quality
Audi A4 2.7 quattro Diesel - Fun, Fast, Expensive

Matblack
30-07-2006, 07:55
I'll make a deal with you Matt. Don't buy a car until you have driven mine. Its nearly on 100k now and still feels as sharp and still put out the same bhp it did the day it left the factory.

How many other cars can you say that about?

If I changed my car now, I would be looking at:

BMW 330 Cdi - Fun, Fast, expensive
Renault Laguna 1.9tdi - Really Comfy, reasonable economy, French build quality
Audi A4 2.7 quattro Diesel - Fun, Fast, Expensive

Sorry, no dice, I like my small cars and having driven a couple of larger ones I am going to stick with hatchbacks. As for BMWs well I have my heart set on one now :D

MB

Matblack
30-07-2006, 09:09
The mini is a long, long, long, long, LONG way from being a horrid car. Anyone that thinks that is purely hung up on the rustbucket predecessor.

Its a great handling car, but Matt I thought you wanted some class? :/

I think the Mini is probably classless which to be honest is much more me, in some ways it has a similar feel to VW in that anyone can drive one, its as much about the cars image than the owners which when your me is probably a good thing ;)

Sod class, I'll take fun over class everytime, driving the Mini made me realise I'm not the old duffer I thought I was :)

MB

Will
30-07-2006, 12:15
The mini is a long, long, long, long, LONG way from being a horrid car. Anyone that thinks that is purely hung up on the rustbucket predecessor.

Its a great handling car, but Matt I thought you wanted some class? :/

Nope I like the real mini. They were awesome cars. The new one frankly is just an image / trying to be retro / joke of a car. They handle well and are "ok" to drive (well the "S" is anyway), but it really does nothing for me at all. There are a stack of better cars out there, the 172 is a far better car than the BMW Mini.

Will
30-07-2006, 14:03
I like the real mini. The one made by BMW :) I don't like the old real mini but I like the new one. The new one is a good car :)

The real mini is not made by BMW. :)

The new one is a reasonable car, but really not my cup of tea - looks wise, or driving wise. Each to their own and all that. :) After all you don't like Alfas - so not everyone has perfect taste.

Will
30-07-2006, 14:34
:p

I just don't think it should have been called the Mini - though actually it's not officially, they aren't allowed to call it that.

Oh don't get me wrong it's not a bad car, but other than a slightly better interior, I feel the 172 is a bit more of a macho car and just as competent as the mini. Round a track I still reckon the 172 would be ahead, well the cup certainly would. :) I don;t think it would be a step up, but maybe a side step, which is not a bad thing - but there's something even less macho about the BMW Mini than my car! :eek:

Now if the interior of the Megan Trophy wasn't so horrid, I'd have suggest that he goes for that - because that IS an awesome car.

Your tastes aren't impeccable if I compare them to mine, they are individual and you stick by them and aren't a sheep and for that I can but bow my hat to you. :) However we do share a lot of other tastes, so it's just a bit of diversity which is always welcomed, and brings on banter like this, plus the fact you're a **** ;) :D

Will
30-07-2006, 14:45
The 172 is a bit quicker and as you say the Cup even more so. Track or straightline. The mini is put together better though.

The mini isn't less macho than yours I'm afraid dude. They're both competent cars, but yours is girlier IMO.

However, as you say, opinions. They're like ****holes, everyone's got one :p

Oh I agree the BMW Mini is better built for sure.

To me the BMW Mini looks girlier - but I have a different perception on things to you ;) However if I were to wear my pink t-shirt, put on gilbert & sulivan operettas, and wear make up I'd agree with you I wouldn't pull it off so well. With me in my car though it oozes masculinity like it's going out of fashion ;)

Flibster
30-07-2006, 21:30
Man in MX5 - looks like a hairdresser

Man in BMW 0.5 series - looks like a gay tellytubby

Matblack
30-07-2006, 21:30
Man in MX5 - looks like a hairdresser

Man in BMW 0.5 series - looks like a gay tellytubby
That'll suit me perfectly then :D

MB

Flibster
30-07-2006, 21:55
That'll suit me perfectly then :D

MB

You finally coming out? :shocked:

Matblack
30-07-2006, 22:00
No I'm just not bothered about looking gay, I'm quite comfortable in my sexuality and if other people want to get the wrong idea thats OK, I'm sure I can intercept them before they actually penetrate me. Although in your case I might make an exception :lubu:

MB

Will
30-07-2006, 22:42
MAtt I love you.

Matblack
30-07-2006, 22:50
MAtt I love you.

You big poof :p

MB

Will
30-07-2006, 22:52
You big poof :p

MB

Don't play hard to get baby.

Mondo
31-07-2006, 12:18
lets write to clarkson and get them to do a mini test on some top selling current hatchbacks + the old mini for Will's sake :p

Matblack
31-07-2006, 14:01
Ohhhhhh dear

I seem to have convinced myself that the Cooper Works Ungrade to 210bhp is a good idea, no point in buying a car which is slower than the Clio and it comes with uprated brakes and suspension :embarassed:.

I blame it on the residuals, I'll lose less on the Mini in 3 years than I would on the S3 and by God its more fun. I haven't even driven a Cooper Works conversion get and the plain S felt fast enough ;D

MB

Matblack
31-07-2006, 14:05
lets write to clarkson and get them to do a mini test on some top selling current hatchbacks + the old mini for Will's sake :p

I understand that a lot of people hold the old Mini up as an iconic car, thats because it is, its the car of the 2000th century without a shadow of a doubt, changing so much about how cars have developed since.

The New Mini, like New Labour is a complete reinvention of the concept nothing like the original with new features and with a slight nod in the direction, as such they have different uses and audiences.

I can't hate the new Mini just because I loved the old Mini, but unlike some I can hold my prejudice and see it as a tribute, and my god its fun to drive :D

MB

Mondo
31-07-2006, 15:37
Yay !!!!! I love to get a mini ! You are my hero ;)

Dr. Z
31-07-2006, 17:33
The Mini dealership near me had a Works in yesterday in blue and it looked gorgeous. Really, really nice in dark blue.

Creature
31-07-2006, 18:57
MAtt I love you.:D

Matblack
31-07-2006, 19:04
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/6371/minicoopersw374ah6.jpg

Our Mini will look like this Dark Silver with White roof and mirror caps, it will also have some subtle Works badges on the back and in the lower grill just by the number plate. I've just got back from signing the paperwork :)

Heres the spec


RE32 MINI Cooper S 1.6 4−Cyl 16V
871 Dark Silver
T6PN Leather GRAVITY Black
Sub Total
Options
872 CHILI Pack 1,361.70 238.30
255 3 Spoke Spts Lea St Wheel
2CM 17" 5 Star BULLET Alloys
423 Velour Floor Mats
450 Pass. Seat Height Adj.
493 Storage Compartment Pack
520 Front Foglights
522 Xenon Headlights & Wash
530 Air Conditioning Auto
550 Trip Computer
563 Interior Light Package
657 Radio BOOST
249 Multi−function on S/Wheel (Cruise and radio)
2TA Limited Slip Diff
327 White Bonnet Stripes
345 Chrome−Line Interior
674 Harman Kardon − Hi−Fi
Auto Folding wing mirrors with heated screen washers



COOPER WORKS KIT inc Air box, manifold, works stainless exhaust, supercharger pully, sparks and badges +45bhp
First Registration Fee
Mini TLC Package
Delivery
12 Months Road Fund Licence CO2 185−225g/km

1 weeks free insurance


She should be here mid september after the plate change so will be on a '56' :)


MB

Matblack
31-07-2006, 19:06
Yay !!!!! I love to get a mini ! You are my hero ;)

Will you come to a meet and go out for a ride Ray?

MB

Matblack
31-07-2006, 19:19
I'd take that offer if it was a general one.
No, not to you.

MB

Matblack
31-07-2006, 19:43
OK, cheers dude

Because you get to drive it you **** :p

MB

LeperousDust
31-07-2006, 21:38
Shame you won't have it for the camping meet though :(

Mondo
31-07-2006, 21:51
Will you come to a meet and go out for a ride Ray?

MB

I'd love to, not this month thou, i have a lot to do, will be much free-er in september (except one weekend, i have a wedding to go to...need to find a myself a date !)

if you don't mind me asking, how much is the car for all that with the options.

Matblack
31-07-2006, 22:06
if you don't mind me asking, how much is the car for all that with the options.
Lots :embarassed:

£22,650 that includes all the options apart from the Visibility Pack and the SatNav

It is a lot however with the Mini (like all cars really) what you have to consider is not the overall cost but how much you will get back when you want to sell it. The Mini has some of the best residuals of any car on the market. By buying new I 'should' be able to sell a low mileage example of one of the last Supercharged Factory fitted Cooper S Works ever made (its going to a turbo engine in Novenber) in three years time for around £16k thats a net cost of £6k which is less than any other car I tested :D

At that point I can consider if I want to get a turbo version ;)

So I'm not so much spending the money as investing it ;D

MB

Haly
31-07-2006, 22:06
Can I have a ride in it too please? :D

I don't want to drive it don't worry, it'd terrify me at that price :p

Matblack
31-07-2006, 22:08
Can I have a ride in it too please? :D

I don't want to drive it don't worry, it'd terrify me at that price :p
Yes you may

And its hardly a fortune, yes its a lot but compare it to a small merc or a smallish BMW and its nothing really

MB

Haly
31-07-2006, 22:11
Yes you may

And its hardly a fortune, yes its a lot but compare it to a small merc or a smallish BMW and its nothing really

MB
To me it is, but i hope one day that it isn't :)
If that makes sense. :embarassed:

And ty :D

Mondo
31-07-2006, 22:13
Lots :embarassed:

£22,650 that includes all the options apart from the Visibility Pack and the SatNav

It is a lot however with the Mini (like all cars really) what you have to consider is not the overall cost but how much you will get back when you want to sell it. The Mini has some of the best residuals of any car on the market. By buying new I 'should' be able to sell a low mileage example of one of the last Supercharged Factory fitted Cooper S Works ever made (its going to a turbo engine in Novenber) in three years time for around £16k thats a net cost of £6k which is less than any other car I tested :D

At that point I can consider if I want to get a turbo version ;)

So I'm not so much spending the money as investing it ;D

MB

That's one of the reasons i want to get a mini, even if i get a 2nd hand one for £7k, I can drive it for 3 years and sell it on for £4k. It just keep its value really well.

Daz
31-07-2006, 22:14
You're not that far off a brand new 350Z at that price, and I love that car. Not driven the Cooper though of course :)

Dr. Z
31-07-2006, 22:17
Can I book a passenger ride please?

Matblack
31-07-2006, 22:21
Its another £5k but then a Boxter is only another £12k and a Caymen only another £20. And I needed to look at on going costs, all those wil cost you to service and maintain, a Mini's servicing costs £100 for 5 years the insurance is low and the residuals are good. In 3 years you'd probably only get £15k for the 350Z thats a £10-12k loss which is a lot.

I think you'd be surprised at the mini, its almost as fast and by god it will feel a hell of a lot faster as your arse is a lot closer to the ground. :D

I'm not saying there aren't better cars for fun eg VX220T but I'd never use one of those day to day the Mini is a compromise in terms of practicality but can still be used every day.

MB

Mondo
31-07-2006, 22:26
I haven't driven the Cooper since i only learn in the Mini One and even only 4 hours in that so far but you are right about it being closer to the ground. The thing feels quite sporty, can feel the bumps on the road quite clearly, not in a bad way but in a letting you know kind of way.

I'm not sure the S has any suspension, its a bit errrrr firm

MB

Dymetrie
01-08-2006, 06:42
Well done Matt, looks like a nice car there :)

Oh, and I bet you'll look sexiah driving that than Will does in his hairdressers car ;)

(ooo! look at me posting in motors :o)