View Full Version : It's a PC. No, it's a Mac. Wait, it's a PC again. Now it's both.
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2664/osxfs4.th.png (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=osxfs4.png)
Bwahahahahahaha :D
Then this popped up.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3959/updatekp6.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=updatekp6.jpg)
Not sure updating the OS is a good idea as it's a tweaked/patched OS X but the others should be OK to do.
Now, what can I do with it?
leowyatt
04-11-2007, 13:51
What do you want to do with it? You should find the patched version of Leopard and put that on there :)
To be honest there isn't anything special that you can do with a mac that you can't do with a PC.
SidewinderINC
04-11-2007, 14:09
Be smug in the fact that you're running OSX?
Kitchen Meister is right, there isn't really anything you can do with a mac that you can't do on a PC.
However, doesn't stop me using macs because it's true that they don't break - I've had this since 1st july and it's only crashed once.
Everything is included/intergrated with the OS which is the good thing because it means everything is linked somehow.
If you had a mac running windows, then that would be a good thing :p
I just wanted to play with it, see how it works, what it does etc etc. Now I can do that, I don't know what to do with it!
SidewinderINC
04-11-2007, 14:21
hehe, theres not much to it really. The fun things are hot corners, they make mac life really simple. and the dashboard.
They're the only 2 really cool things I can think of from the top of my head.
Oh, the standard screensavers are better than the windows ones :p
The main programs I use on OSX I can also use on Windows. Its just that its the small things I prefer on a daily basis.
Here's something I ponder.
Apple integrate everything into the OS, no one bats an eyelid.
Microsoft do it and its anti-competitive.
Guess its cos MS own the market.
Guess its cos MS own the market.
So you force a company to be uncompetitive with another product? That's hardly just. I'm not particularly fond of MS but it is a bit daft that what they enforce of MS they're not enforcing on Apple.
I'd agree, but you can't really accuse a minority player (as much as Apple might want to be otherwise) of being a monopoly now, can you?
I guessed :) I'm not forcing anyone to do anything :p
I'd agree, but you can't really accuse a minority player (as much as Apple might want to be otherwise) of being a monopoly now, can you?
The argument against the inclusion of Media Player in European software was that it was uncompetitive towards companies Like RealPlayer and the like, rather than (in name anyway) because Microsoft had a monopoly on the market. How is that different from Apple including media software with their OS, or any other OS?
*shrug* anyway, it was just a random thought :)
It isn't, but I suspect the whole media player thing was a front, much as a multitude of EU commissioners might express a view to the contrary. Can. Open. Worms. Everywhere.
SidewinderINC
04-11-2007, 20:21
is WMP not included with windows anymore?
Microsoft were forced to create an 'N' version to placate the EU commissioners - not that it stopped them clouting MS with a huge fine as well mostly because they didn't provide the entire, fully documented source code for Windows, written in blood and hand-delivered by Bill Gates himself, on demand (or at least that's what it seemed like they wanted).
Of course, no-one actually wants this braindamaged software. Well, why would they?
I'd agree, but you can't really accuse a minority player (as much as Apple might want to be otherwise) of being a monopoly now, can you?
The second most popular operating system on home computers is a minority thing now? I can think of a dozen smaller ones that could be hurt by Apple's anti-competitive tactics.
Personally I think that both companies should be allowed to include whatever they want with the OS. What's next? No Notepad because people might not want that as a text editor?
No Notepad because people might not want that as a text editor?
Please don't give the EU commissioners ideas. They'll take you seriously.
PS - I was using minority in the strict sense. :)
Personally I think that both companies should be allowed to include whatever they want with the OS. What's next? No Notepad because people might not want that as a text editor?
Why would anyone want to use anything but vim or emacs?
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 15:27
Old thread I know but I've been trying to exactly this to get my head around OSX AD integration but I've had no end of problems.
Feek, you got any decent guides?
What you having trouble with Burnsy? Just joining and authenticating or are you trying to do something more?
I didn't join a domain with mine so I can't really offer any assistance on that.
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 16:01
What you having trouble with Burnsy? Just joining and authenticating or are you trying to do something more?
I haven't actually got that far, I keep getting reboot loops in VMWare Beta 2 and I have no idea why.
Running Vista 64 and VMWare Server Beta Build 84186
Burnsy
Ugh - using VMWare Server 2.0 Beta eh?
That got uninstalled from my system almost as quickly as it got installed. I also found it unstable and the new web interface is a distinct turn-off for me. Server 1.x runs just fine on Vista 32-bit but I can understand it being trouble on 64-bit.
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 16:53
Ugh - using VMWare Server 2.0 Beta eh?
That got uninstalled from my system almost as quickly as it got installed. I also found it unstable and the new web interface is a distinct turn-off for me. Server 1.x runs just fine on Vista 32-bit but I can understand it being trouble on 64-bit.
For all my other VMs its been great and in the latest beta they've change the console to run in a different window rather then nested in the web browser. And the webconfig can actually be rather useful if you want other users to be able to access your VMs.
And the fact that other versions simply won't work on x64 :(
Burnsy
At what point is it looping? I had one point during my build where I had to get into the 'BIOS' of the VM and it was really difficult to get to the appropriate key quickly enough after starting the machine.
Feek, you remember the old decathlon games where you had to hammer a pair of keys? Resurrect your skills for getting into the VM BIOS - mouse-F2-mouse-F2-mouse-F2... :)
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 19:59
At what point is it looping? I had one point during my build where I had to get into the 'BIOS' of the VM and it was really difficult to get to the appropriate key quickly enough after starting the machine.
I've not configured anything in the VM BIOS yet, what key is it and what did you change?
I'm struggling to remember - I think it was giving a boot error at one point and I had to change it to boot from HDD instead of CD, or vice versa.
bios.forceSetupOnce = "TRUE"
... in the vmx file will take you to the BIOS when the VM boots :) Or, if you prefer, you can add in a boot delay:
bios.bootDelay = "5000"
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 20:19
bios.forceSetupOnce = "TRUE"
... in the vmx file will take you to the BIOS when the VM boots :) Or, if you prefer, you can add in a boot delay:
bios.bootDelay = "5000"
Yeah I found that a min ago, very handy. Lets see if I can actually get this to work :o
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 20:28
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7549/captureap6.jpg
Then it keeps rebooting
I
Love
You
Me too. Less Decathlon for me now. ;D
As for that problem, looks pretty nasty. :(
What are your VM settings - particularly RAM and CPU?
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 21:11
512 RAM one CPU
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 21:11
I don't suppose someone has a VMware image I can just download an use?
Try two CPUs.
And you are running it on an Intel Core-based system, aren't you?
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 21:17
I can't see how to change it, the webui doesn't allow me to select two :(
No, don't use two CPUs, it fails. What image are you using and what version OS X?
Ah, OK. I thought it needed that, but obviously I had it the wrong way around. I'll leave it to you Feek as I've not tried this. :)
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 21:35
No, don't use two CPUs, it fails. What image are you using and what version OS X?
I'm using a panther disk someone lent to me. What do you mean by 'image'?
That'll never work. You need something slightly erm, hacked.
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 21:37
Got a suggestion?
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Well yeah, ditch that Panther disc for starters. You do know Panther is PowerPC-only don't you? (Tiger was the first one that supported Intel, and we're on Leopard now). Do what Feek said instead. :)
Unless I've got my OS X history mixed up.
Burnsy2023
06-04-2008, 21:41
Well yeah, ditch that Panther disc for starters. You do know Panther is PowerPC-only don't you? (Tiger was the first one that supported Intel, and we're on Leopard now). Do what Feek said instead. :)
Unless I've got my OS X history mixed up.
Crap, I meant leopard, bloody codenames.
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Vmware_how_to
That's the link I was trying to find last night, it should help...
Burnsy2023
07-04-2008, 14:51
I'll get back to you when I've had another fiddle, cheers :)
now im running a quad core system with 4gb i fancy running leopard over vmware, where can i get myself a copy?
Leopard is a problem in VMs as far as I know, unless it's changed recently.
lame, ah well. what about OSX then?
Well Leopard is just the latest version of OS X....
If you look at the link I posted about three or four posts up, it gives you all the details about installing OS X in a VM - Step two gives suggestions of where to download a copy.
aye, been reading that, thanks :)
feek, havin issues with this setup.
screeny (http://www.marksweb.co.uk/images/uploads/machdsetup.JPG)
any ideas how i setup the HDD? and will the vm actually use one of my partitions like it would if it were installed onto the PC without the vm? i.e. i installed a vm for server 2003 and it just had a virtual hdd - will it do that?
Burnsy2023
26-04-2008, 15:30
VM need virtual HDDs, they can't see your HDD, so wouldn't be able to partition it.
Getting a 404 on the pic btw...
What burnsy said..
But I don't see a screeny (page not found) :(
ah, sorry, jpg was saved in paint so needed caps - fixed :)
oh and as u see, no hdds (http://www.marksweb.co.uk/images/uploads/nohdds.JPG)... how do u fix that?
Utilities on the menu bar at the top and run the Disk Utility where you can create your partition within the VM.
aye, i've got that up but can't figure out how to create a partition... its just got the rom drive and the disk image listed in the left pane, and i can't see any options to setup a partition :confused:
Hmm, this is from memory..
Highlight the disk, you have a bar in the right panel, something like erase, partition, restore, raid.
Select Partition and below that it will show the current setup which will be empty I think.
You then have some buttons at the bottom which allow you to add partitions, or to select standard layouts (2 partitions, 3 partitions, etc). Do all that, set a partition, erase it and then close disk manager.
It's a bit fiddly at first, took me a while to suss it.
i'll give it a go, everythign was greyed out just now and i couldn't see much to work with. ah well i'll give it a shot - thanks.
a mate of mine just linked me to a nice little app -
http://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/download.html
http://www.obdev.at/index.html
A firewall protects your computer against unwanted guests from the Internet. But who protects your private data from being sent out? Little Snitch does!
I use little snitch at work :)
I use Little Snitch as well :)
i've not managed to get the network connection working yet, so its installed but laying a little dormant.
just started up my vm osx machine... and i get a kernal stack error :/
wtf? doesn't look like i can fix it - just keeps rebooting with the same error.
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