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I'm getting CS gassed tomorrow :(
MEH!!!!!!!!
No hot showers, rubbing or anything hot!!!
BB x
Ooh, delightful. Not. Good idea to take contacts out if you wear them (CS and contacts do not a good mix make), and agree with BBx's comments too - rubbing makes it worse. Apparently cow's milk helps clear the vision if not the rest of the effects. :(
Going to get tasered too?
Have you prepared by spending time with Jamie? Should help.
Mmm spicy!
Do you still use CS down there?
TVP have CapTor, it makes me cough when they bring one in who's been marinated in the stuff.
A quick google turned up this:
You will line up in a group (usually 5 to 15 recruits) outside of the gas chamber door. Your group will be asked to file into the gas chamber. Once inside the gas chamber you will be joined by a Drill Sergeant (or several of them). The room will be very foggy. The fog you see is CS gas, and you may smell it slightly through your mask. You will see a Drill Sergeant with a coffee can next to a table. This coffee can will have a flame inside -- this is the CS gas burning. A Drill Sergeant will touch your shoulder, and ask you to lift your mask and state your name, rank and social security number. Many recruits get nervous and forget the answers to these simple questions. If you remain calm, you will do fine.
As the Drill Sergeants touch your shoulder take in a deep breath, close your eyes, lift your mask, answer the questions in one breath, put your mask back on, and clear the mask. This part of the gas chamber is not difficult if you stay calm. However, over the years, Drill Sergeants have learned that recruits accomplish this without inhaling any CS gas. The Drill Sergeants want you to inhale the gas, and recognize the importance of chemical gear. Therefore, after your whole group is finished stating their name, rank and social security number, they will ask you to take off your mask and file out in order without closing your eyes.
The Treatment
As you are exiting the gas chamber, your eyes will fill with water, and mucous will fill your lungs and face. The best treatment is air. Immediately upon exiting the gas chamber, you should open your eyes. This will seem like a hard task under the circumstances, but keeping your eyes open in fresh air will allow any discomfort to dissipate very quickly. I cannot emphasize enough to not touch your eyes. You will no doubt feel the urge, but touching and/or rubbing your eyes is the worst thing you can do. Take deep breaths of air with your arms over your head, and you will be surprised how quickly the CS leaves your system. In less than a minute you will be nearly, if not, 100 percent better.
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/Prep_For_Basic_Training/basic_training_prep_articles/to-the-gas-chambers.shtml
Its about the army but it cant be too dissimilar, can it?
14. Aftercare
14.1.
After an offender is restrained the officer will:
Reassure the offender as to the temporary effects of the irritant
Prevent the person rubbing their eyes or face as this will increase the effects of the irritant
Instruct the subject to breath normally which will aid recovery and prevent hyperventilation
Solvent seen on exposed skin can be rinsed off with cool water. NEVER USE WARM WATER
Exposure to fresh air will normally result in complete recovery within 10 – 15 minutes. Prisoners would be handcuffed with hands behind their backs providing the restraint method used and the physical position of the prisoner does not affect breathing. DO NOT LEAVE OR TRANSPORT A PRISONER IN A PRONE, FACE DOWN POSITION.
Inform the FCC that the aerosol incapacitant has been discharged, allowing medical examination by a Police Surgeon or Custody Nurse upon arrival. ALL PERSONS MUST BE EXAMINED.
Monitor the prisoner from time of arrest and during transportation until the effects have worn off. NB: EYE IRRIGATION WILL ONLY BE UNDERTAKEN BY A POLICE SURGEON OR A CUSTODY NURSE.
Contaminated clothing will be replaced.
14.2.
Officers will pay particular attention to persons:
Who are obese;
Who are known to be under the influence of drugs and / or alcohol;
On whom the use of the aerosol incapacitant appeared to be ineffective;
Exhibiting bizarre / violent behaviour;
Experiencing breathing difficulties.
14.3.
A person who displays an abnormal reaction to the spray, i.e. collapse, excessive breathing distress, etc MUST be taken from the scene to the nearest Accident & Emergency Unit.
14.4.
IF THE SUBJECT DOES NOT RESUME NORMAL BREATHING WITHIN 15 MINUTES, OBTAIN MEDICAL ASSISTANCE.
14.5.
Persons wearing contact lenses may experience greater discomfort. Allow them to remove their lenses at the earliest opportunity. This will only be done by the individual, an optician or medical practitioner. Advise such a person that exposure to the aerosol incapacitant may cause damage to certain types of lenses and individuals who experience problems after normal cleaning should consult an optician.
14.6.
Continue to monitor the subject throughout the recovery period. If the prisoner is detained in a cell they will be subject to the same cell supervision provided for prisoners who have consumed alcohol or drugs. If there are any adverse signs or unusual reactions, then obtain medical attention immediately.
14.7.
If the subject requests it or if symptoms persist beyond 45 minutes, additional medical attention will be provided. This may include the recall of a medical practitioner or taking the subject to a hospital.
14.8.
Until a full recovery is made, the subject MUST be supervised.
14.9.
In addition to the medical treatment for a detained person as given previously, a custody officer must ensure that when a detained person has been sprayed with aerosol incapacitant:
The detained person is given a form 1810, (Advice on aerosol incapacitant Contamination) before release from custody;
That an entry is made on the custody record that form 1810 was given and the detained person should be invited to sign the custody record.
14.10.
An officer who believes that a person who has not been arrested, has been contaminated with aerosol incapacitant spray, MUST ensure that:
The person is given the form 1810;
That a record is made in the pocket notebook of the officer giving the notice and the person contaminated is invited to sign the Note Book.
14.11.
An officer who uses aerosol incapacitant spray in any premises must ensure that:
The owner / occupier of the premises are given a form 1810 before the officers leave the premises;
Where aerosol incapacitant is sprayed inside any premises which are then left unattended a form 1810 must be left clearly displayed;
A record is to be made in the pocket notebook of the officer who gives a form 1810 to an owner / occupier or leaves a form 1810 in unoccupied premises, including where the form 1810 was left.
May be more appropriate?
A quick google turned up this:
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/Prep_For_Basic_Training/basic_training_prep_articles/to-the-gas-chambers.shtml
Its about the army but it cant be too dissimilar, can it?
I _think_ its done in a role play situation? At least using a spray can rather than walking into a gas chamber :p
Enjoy :shocked:
After what I ate last night, me been gassed all night :o
It's a lesser known fact that doing this exercise is where the internet term "die in the face" came from.
Ekk! I will be thinking of you x
Good luck - hope it isn't too bad
Justsomebloke
04-12-2007, 09:31
Good Luck :)
Davey_Pitch
04-12-2007, 10:00
Good luck Pebs, I'm sure you'll be fine. :)
Heh, I don't think it's as complex as you're all googling... when I had it done it was a case of 3 of us line up and the Sergeant sprays it supposedly around our waists so we can feel the sensation.
He decided to spray it in our faces though cos the first time he did it, nothing happened. Bar steward.
Pebbles - if you haven't gone - make sure you have spare clothes! And cotton wool! You'll need to gently wipe your face with the pads - NO HOT WATER!! And NO HAND HEATER THINGY IN THE TOILETS!
*texts pebbles*
Good luck hun, hoping you'll be fine! (Fingers crossed with contacts it won't be as bad!)
May be more appropriate?
Looks like TVP have an obsession with form 1810, whatever that is. :)
Admiral Huddy
04-12-2007, 10:22
Cool ! Good luck :)
What happens if you do use hot water and all the other "no no" things and so on?
It gets worse. The stinging sensation or something.
According to Miss Pheebles. ;)
BB x
I hear it doesn't affect some people, or at least it's effect is more or less tolerated by some... Can you train yourself to rise above it?
Looks like TVP have an obsession with form 1810, whatever that is. :)
That guide was from Kent police I think, but TVP kindly give you a leaflet when you get gassed. It's entitled "YOU HAVE BEEN SPRAYED WITH CAPTOR INCAPACITANT" I guess it's the same as a 1810. I'll try to grab one at work tonight.
I hear it doesn't affect some people, or at least it's effect is more or less tolerated by some... Can you train yourself to rise above it?
Yes, if you have a "positive mental goal" or are really off your tits on coke (or if you are a dog) it, scarily, has little effect.
Oooh then it could make the marathon this year more interesting! :D
Erm I think if you're affected by it then you canny help being affected (if you know what I mean!) It's like chopping onions - if you can do it without a tear - good for you! But for some of us we're a complete blubbering mess when chopping them up and no matter how much I say "NO I WILL NOT BE AFFECTED"... it does :D
Some doood ran through a cloud of CS Spray wielding a huge mammoth knife (he was built like a brick house too) and despite stumbling a bit... her blinked a couple of times and continued running towards the officers :) They had to do a runner bless em :) So yeh, doesn't affect all!
Hot water/hot hand dryers... ANYTHING hot is BAAAAAD! From what I was told in training, CS Spray are made up of little wee crystals that pop very easily. When they pop/get into eyes/tear ducts and things and dissolve you're in trouble :) Heat is one of the main triggers to them - even if you think you've got rid of most of them and you wash your hands in hot water - ones remaining will start popping again and you'll be floored all over :) It happened to me after a day out with them - got back, had a shower and *POp POPo popOP POP POP* ... was in the streets in a towel trying to blink into the wind!
It's not fun and I don't envy anyone who has to go through it! I just hope with Pebbleys they don't do direct in the face like with me... cos I was welling up for a good 30mins or so!
Does it actually hurt or is it just unpleasant or an uncomfortable feeling?
Make like Dog the bounty hunter. He lives off that stuff ;)
Hope it's not too grim :(
For me, cos I have sensitive skin my face hurt (felt like I'd poured nail varnish remover over it) and it went all blotchy. Eye wise, it was like peeling onions... and then rubbing onion juice into your eyes :) I guess it's like soap in the eyes but a much worse sensation. Physically I could hardly open my eyes and I wanted to rub them (bad idea as more crystals would break)
Different people react in different ways :) Though like I said - I had it straight in the face cos it didn't work first time :) EVIL sergeant!
Hurrah! I'm alive!!!!!!!!!!
It was a gas chamber type thing, full strength CS pumped in there and then you train through with your hand on the shoulders of the person in front. I smelt and tasted it straight away and we got half way across the car park before my nose was tingling. When we got to the grass the sides of my nose were hurting a bit but people were falling about all over the place. A lot of them were yelling and swearing and I just felt a bit bewildered wondering if I had done it wrong or something!! lol
Anyway, it took about 15 minutes outside for everyone to have their eyes open again and we were told to wash ourselves with a lot of cold running water, which I did. MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! Face on FIRE! If they had that pain in their eyes I pity them all, but still, no reaction at all in my eyes. It lasted about a minute, we got changed and that was that. We picked up our clothes this evening and people were getting bad again with it coming off their t-shirts. Me, nothing. I was not popular :(
THEN! We find out that the four of us going to Western aren't even using bloody CS we're using Parva (?) which is pepper spray and affects pretty much everyone, and we'll have training on that when we go there. Apparently it's so awful we don't get that in the face though, result!
YAY! Well done you! :D :D
Piggymon
04-12-2007, 19:38
YAY !! She survived ! \o/
Kell_ee001
04-12-2007, 20:20
YAY! Go Pebs! :D
Blackstar
04-12-2007, 21:52
You know what that is Pebs, having kids immunizes you against all sort of horrible things. Slugs, nettles, boys...
Just watched Michael Portillo go through this experience (Horizon, BBC2). The effects were rather obvious. :eek:
Oooooooo it lives!!! Did he survive??
In other news, I passed my 3rd exams yesterday with good marks :D Feel the smugness! Finals to go in 3 weeks and thats it, job done!
Well done. :)
Yes, but he's now killed himself (or would have done had someone not stepped in to stop the experiment).
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