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I'm going to play around with a Linux VM over the weekend - I'm tempted to have a linux build with a boot manager but would rather have a plonk around in a VM first to avoid breaking anything badly.
What's a good one to use? I used to use the unix/xenix command line at work for basic stuff but nothing too complicated. I've had a look at the odd linux disto over the years but nobbut has got me excited.
So suggestions please people.. Plusses and minuses of various versions....
Stan_Lite
09-02-2008, 16:39
I've always got on quite well with Ubuntu. Most things can be done through the GUI á la Windows, if you want, but the command line option is still available, as in other distros, for you to learn with.
Current version is 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and is pretty damn good IME. Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) home page is here with information and download links etc.
Edit: It also comes in 64 bit or 32 bit flavours.
Agree with the wannabe arab one. Gutsy is brilliant, especially for a n00b like me. I've managed to do all I could possibly want with it and it works brilliantly on my laptop. It's quick, looks fresh and funky, and I can run all the apps I tend to use. :)
I've got that one installing right now in a VM and am also working on breaking my RAID to give me a specific hard drive to install something on native... :)
If you use this:
http://www.boat-drinks.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7080
Once you're sorted I reckon you'll get on with it famously.
Ubuntu is probably as user friendly as you'll get GUI wise, so stick with that for now :)
The visual effects are really nice, but you wont get to see them in a VM.
[edit] With your VM Feek, you could mount the ISO images of your DVDs to rip them. I use the CLI but I'm sure there are GUI tools in te repositories :)
Well the VM install was OK but a bit plonky - I've got everything off my RAID drive so I'm about to break it. I'm going to disconnect two drives of my three and then build an Ubuntu on with just one drive connected so there's no risk at all for any of my data!
*mutter mutter* it doesn't seem to like my video card on the initial install, it never initialises it once I've told it to start installing so I'm grabbing the alternate text version.
Do you mean when booting the live CD? If so, common problem. Hit the button to edit the boot command (F6 I think), and edit the command to include:
noquiet nosplash
Good tip Mark, and that certainly helps. A bit!
Now I've been able to go through and run the whole install but a similar thing happens after the install. I get the "Kernel Alive" message then the screen clears and after a few seconds of disk activity and a quick flash on the screen, it all hangs up.
OK, until you can get a proper fix together, adding the following to the boot line will hopefully get you some limited graphics:
vga=771
That's got me in, it's asked to update the video drivers which I'm doing now... Thanks Mark, let's hope this does the trick :)
Hmmm, well I still had to enter grub and use nosplash and noquiet to get me in but it's in and working with the correct video drivers....
So now to play :)
Stan_Lite
10-02-2008, 00:34
It'll do that until you change the boot parameters permanently. To do this, open a terminal and type:
sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
You will be asked for your password, type it in.
Then Scroll down to the boot options and change the quiet and splash there to noquiet and nosplash. Save and exit. Should do it automagically from then.
Apparently if you simply delete the quiet and splash it does the same but I haven't tried that.
Silly little bug this - just seems to affect some systems :confused:
Ahh righto Stan, that's pretty straightforward - I'll test it shortly when I reboot.
Just trying to install the driver package I got from the Nvidia site and I'm being told that I'm running an X server. I switched to a command line login (ctrl-alt-f2) and did it from there but got the same message. I guess this is because Gnome is running so I need to kill it somehow.
I'm playing, it's fun :D
Well it was fun until it's all fallen apart :(
Downloaded the nvidia stuff, managed to kill the x-server and ran the install, got a libc error which I solved and installed the drivers.
Now it won't boot past the "your system is running in crap low res" thing. No matter what I do there, I can't get it to boot any further. :sad face:
http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
I use Envy to do my proprietary drivers, saves a lot of hassle :)
Great link, Garp and all worked well. For a while anyway.
I reinstalled Gutsy, loaded Envy to set up the drivers and then did an update as the OS suggested me to do.
Rebooted, back to that low graphics thing :(
I've got a SUSE image downloading, will have a play with that later.
There is a warning on that page to be careful with updates.
Chances are the update it's suggesting is a broken driver. Microsoft do that too sometimes.
Aye, I had tried what it suggested, ie single user mode boot and run sudo envy -t but it didn't help :(
Do the updates first, then run envy. The graphics driver gets compiled against the specific kernel. Upgrade the Kernel (which has happened several times since Gutsy's release) and the graphics driver needs to be re-installed again.
So install, update, reboot, envy?
The SUSE image is 20 minutes away from completing, I'm going to try that for a bit anyway but it's good to know the way to get Ubuntu working.
Stan_Lite
10-02-2008, 15:36
Sorry, should have looked in here earlier.
There should be a restricted drivers option in Gutsy. When you've installed it, look towards the right hand side of the taskbar at the top and there should be a funny looking icon. If you open it up, it gives you the option to install restricted drivers including Nvidia and Ati graphics drivers. I used this option on my main rig with the 8800GTX and it worked perfectly well for everything I used it for.
The option should be there if you want to try it. Would probably be better to have the proper drivers but at least the restricted drivers should work if you can't get the others to work.
Aye, did that Stan but I figured that I ought to be using the latest and greatest from the Nvidia site. That's when it all went a bit pearshaped.
Stan_Lite
10-02-2008, 15:56
Aye, done that myself in the past and regretted it. Last time, I stuck to the restricted drivers and had no problems.
OK, current state of play is Ubuntu, I installed and patched it then enabled the restricted drivers. I don't know whether I should try the Envy trick or not.
What I can't suss yet and I'm googling for it is how to configure and set a static IP.
Seems simple, but when I change things in System/Administration/Network (specifically DNS settings), they don't stay changed. My ISP's DNS is absolute rubbish so I use Open DNS but I have to reset the settings each time.
So install, update, reboot, envy?
This worked. I'm doing nothing with my video drivers or any updates ever again!
No real need to use Envy imo, the binary drivers in the repositories cant bethat out of date :)
I use Ubuntu at work, but I do enjoy Fedora for playing about with.
Seems simple, but when I change things in System/Administration/Network (specifically DNS settings), they don't stay changed. My ISP's DNS is absolute rubbish so I use Open DNS but I have to reset the settings each time.
i've got my router pointing to opendns, so point your system to your router then they all get forwarded there automagicly.
i've got my router pointing to opendns, so point your system to your router then they all get forwarded there automagicly.
Did this earlier today as I was thinking of things - I was wondering where Ubuntu was picking the settings up from and the penny dropped..
Also the reason for wanting the latest Nvidia stuff is to get two screens working - All well and good, I have the nvidia control centre thing now but the changes I make in it aren't persistent. Need to investigate as to why.
I've used two screens using the nVidia drivers in the repos no problem. Had to fiddle the xorg.conf myself though.
I read they'll be introducing a new multi-screen manager thing to Hardy iirc.
I think that's the reason it's not persisting, Daz - When I tell it to update the xorg.conf file it errors and doesn't do it. I wonder if it's because the account I'm using isn't an administrator and doesn't have the rights. Should I set myself up as an admin?
It's been a couple of days full of learning, I think this thread should be renamed "Feek's adventures with Linux, all invited to join in" or something like that!
I do feel that despite a number of setbacks that I've learned quite a bit so far - I got it running with help here, I managed to get Flash installed despite it not officially working with the x64 version and have got quite a bit installed.
I'm sure there will be more to come such as reinstalling with a boot manager because at the moment I'm unplugging and replugging hard drives when I want to change between OSs.
I'll dig out my conf file tomorrow (on the lappy atm) and show you what I had to add in for dual-mon :) The main problem is that vendors all do it differently, so having X set itself up automatically is difficult to do, as each driver has it's own peculiarities. Twinview isnt too bad though, and at least you know someone who had it working :)
Will have to do it again myself when we finish the office and I can get the second monitor out again.
Well it quite happily set it up and it worked fine, but once I restarted X it defaulted back because it couldn't save the file - Would my account being an admin sort that? I'm on a Vista boot at the moment so it's not a quick check.
If it prompts you for password then it'll be running as root anyway, assuming you're talking about some sort of gui tool here?
Yes it is, and it didn't ask for a password so it's not rootified itself. I'll go play again.
Damn, it's quick starting up!
The message I get is "Unable to create new X config backup file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup" when I try and save to the X Configuration file. That's logged on as me and it doesn't ask me for the root password.
And yes, a quick google tells me that the Nvidia Settings app has to be run as root *doh*
LeperousDust
11-02-2008, 01:03
Glad to see you're getting along well Feek, its nice to have things working in Linux, i really plan to get some headway in trying to move most of my stuff over to Ubuntu in the future sometime. I'm still getting my file server setup, it shares a printer now but after controller failure (by the looks of things) i give up arsing about due to lack of time (and then the only monitor i have for it died so its now running headless for real :D). Hope to get a nice software RAID share setup *this year* haha.
As an aside, if anyone has an xorg.conf that works with 16:10 resolutions on nVidia cards, I'd be most interested in that. Mine seems to want to refuse to run anything except 4:3. :/
Stan_Lite
11-02-2008, 05:08
As an aside, if anyone has an xorg.conf that works with 16:10 resolutions on nVidia cards, I'd be most interested in that. Mine seems to want to refuse to run anything except 4:3. :/
Odd.
The restricted drivers run my 2405FPW at 1920x1200 no problem :confused:
LeperousDust
11-02-2008, 18:27
Gotta love Ubuntu, just saved my ass from a huge ass file tree too big for any windows file systems, deleted it from within the LiveCD environment, and thinking about installing it now, forgot how quick it is!
There's a nice little article here (http://www.linux.com/feature/125799) about a Joe user experience. I think his overview is fair, getting better, still rough around the edges, and isn't quite ready for Joe users comfort zone out of the box. But it can be done :)
That's an interesting piece..
I'm going to reinstall again tonight but hopefully get a working dual boot system. from what I understand and from what I've read it's just a case of run through the install and be very careful when it gets to the partitioning bit to ensure I get the correct drive..
/edit - yay for thread title change, thanks \o/
Yeah, I've done it numerous times, the installer wont touch your doze install or indeed any current file systems unless you tell it to :)
LeperousDust
11-02-2008, 20:29
I went to install before but chickened out at th partitioning bit again, i can't afford to lose *anything* and i want a separate home partition, and because this is a dell i've already got two other partitions of a few hundred mb each floating around so i couldn't make more than one extra. Didn't want to fart around deleting what i didn't know as i cant afford to faff things up and spend a day recovering what i have etc... So its on hold again. Shame really...
1 more? Thats what extended/logical partitions are for :)
Indeed, though you have to be careful with Dell systems because some like to have the partition tables 'just right' for the media and restore partitions.
Fortunately my Dell doesn't have the former and doesn't seem to care about the latter (and besides I have an image if it ever breaks anyway), so I partitioned it up with my usual seperate OS and data partitions and 20GB marked unused if I ever want to dual-boot Linux on it. :)
All is good. It didn't put the correct numbers into the boot file so I had to correct them, but it's up and working and I've even got Twinview working as I want it with a pair of monitors.
LeperousDust
11-02-2008, 21:52
Indeed, though you have to be careful with Dell systems because some like to have the partition tables 'just right' for the media and restore partitions.
Fortunately my Dell doesn't have the former and doesn't seem to care about the latter (and besides I have an image if it ever breaks anyway), so I partitioned it up with my usual seperate OS and data partitions and 20GB marked unused if I ever want to dual-boot Linux on it. :)
Yeah thats the thing, i dont actually want the media direct or the restore partition, but i don't want to fart around in case something goes wrong with the mbr somewhere and i'm left with nout! I just cant do with the hassle on top of assignments and deadlines right now!
Aye, backup first before you fiddle with stuff like that.
As for the mbr, a Vista install CD is your friend. When I juggled partitions it did make the system unbootable but the recovery tools spotted the problem straight away and fixed it.
LeperousDust
11-02-2008, 22:51
Thing is i'm scared because i need all the programs on here and dont have the time to start reinstalling if things really do go wrong. It's working as it is, i won;t gain anything apart from geek points by installed ubuntu, which i will do eventually, but for now it stays off :p
Now I managed to get the sound working (and a task and a half that was, taken hours), I can't make it play DVDs.
The Totem Movie Player is complaining that it doesn't have the right codecs, but as far as I can see, I've installed the codecs that it's asking for and VLC simply flashes a window open and then closes it when I tell it to open a DVD.
Locally stored video plays well in both Totem and VLC.
Stan_Lite
15-02-2008, 05:47
Now I managed to get the sound working (and a task and a half that was, taken hours), I can't make it play DVDs.
The Totem Movie Player is complaining that it doesn't have the right codecs, but as far as I can see, I've installed the codecs that it's asking for and VLC simply flashes a window open and then closes it when I tell it to open a DVD.
Locally stored video plays well in both Totem and VLC.
Hi Feekles. If you can get video files to play, I assume you have installed the extra codecs that are considered to be nawty (bloody DRM).
In order to play DVD, you need to install libdvdcss2 library. You can probably do this in synaptic (don't have an Ubuntu install on my laptop atm to try it). If not, simply type the following into your shell:
sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
I'm assuming the repository required is already added. If not, you will need to add the repository thusly:
Add the source:
sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
Get the key required:
wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O-¦ sudo apt-key add -
Update the source list:
sudo apt-get update
Then install the library:
sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
After that, Robert should very much be your Mother's brother.
Already done that, Stan - I've got it to the stage of giving me pictures now but no sound.
Sound has been a bit tricky so far - I managed to get it going yesterday using the analog output of my sound card, then the box wanted to do an update of some of the libraries so I did that and now although I have sound when I do the test in the sound setup box, I've again lost my system sounds. No sound from anything except that sound preferences doofer.
Grrrr!
Frustrating, but satisfying when I get a result.
Sound has always been an interesting one in Linux - I made a post somewhere else about it. Nobody's really come up with a way to force anything and everything that wants access to the sound device through a broker or daemon of some sort - because there's nothing stopping an app just going off and grabbing the whole thing itself.
There's a blueprint on Launchpad for Hardy titled 'Fix the Linux audio mess once and for all (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cleanup-audio-jumble)'. I doubt they fix if once and for all but hey, if they can make it better more power to them.
Stan_Lite
15-02-2008, 11:22
Frustrating, but satisfying when I get a result.
That's pretty much how I feel about messing with Linux - frustrating as hell but you get that smug feeling when you manage to find a way round a problem.
Arsey arse arse. The drive I use for backups appears to be failing so I need to drag the one I've used for Ubuntu back into play on the PC.
But I appear to have an issue and I'm not sure it's one that can be easily fixed. Grub has installed itself on my initial boot device and references the one I installed Ubuntu on. So if I remove the Ubuntu disk, grub starts and the complains that it can't find anything and halts the system.
There's no such thing in Vista as fdisk so I can't recover the MBR that way so I'm a bit stumped here. I'm off to google..
bootrec /fixmbr (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392/en-us) is the new fdisk /mbr :)
Digging up an old'ish thread...but going to give Ubuntu a go on my spare partition :)
Just feel like have a little mess around rather than anything serious. Wish me luck :p
\o/
I'm not using it atm but will have another play when the new version hits.
If you think your laptop is up for it, install Compiz Fusion and the compizconfig-settings-manager (in the repositories). Its so nice!
Will take a look mate. Still got to work out all of this installing stuff :D
LeperousDust
23-03-2008, 17:32
apt-get (or the synaptic package manager) is about as easy as installing *anything* on any OS gets! :)
Holy crap :shocked:
Just used the apt-get command on something I made up and it worked first time :D
Just typed "sudo apt-get install kismet" and it took off.
You'll find tons like that. Google around for something you want, put it's name at the end of 'sudo apt-get install ...' and in a minute or two you can launch it. I'm still impressed by that today.
Hopefully one day Windows will have a proper package management system.
I would strongly advise using aptitude instead of apt-get.. at least until the next major revision of apt-get is released. Aptitude does the dependancy work and all sorts at a much better level than apt-get, and will warn you about all sorts of dangers inherant in some installs and removals.
Can anybody help with this little problem?
I've got two drives mounted that I don't want to show in Ubuntu. They're partitions for the Dell Utility and Dell Media.
If I try and right click and unmount it says I don't have the correct permissions (root). If I try and unmount them in a terminal window it says the drives can't be found. Now, I'm assuming I'm using the correct information but not 100% sure. It was something like sudo umount -f and then the disk name.
Any ideas where I'm going wrong? I can put up the full info later on.
Can anybody help with this little problem?
I've got two drives mounted that I don't want to show in Ubuntu. They're partitions for the Dell Utility and Dell Media.
If I try and right click and unmount it says I don't have the correct permissions (root). If I try and unmount them in a terminal window it says the drives can't be found. Now, I'm assuming I'm using the correct information but not 100% sure. It was something like sudo umount -f and then the disk name.
Any ideas where I'm going wrong? I can put up the full info later on.
Open up a terminal session, and type in gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
Inside there you'll see the details for all your mount points. Just find the lines for the mount points you don't want / need and put a "#" symbol at the start of the line. Next time you reboot the mount points will be gone.
Whilst you've got the terminal up, try:
sudo umount /path/to/mountpoint
For each of the dell partitions you don't want. That should clear them up from your current session.
Stan_Lite
25-03-2008, 13:45
I haven't messed around with Ubuntu for ages. I re-installed Windows on my main rig yesterday and created a partition for Ubuntu. I've downloaded and burned Hardy Heron Beta to a disk and am about to install it. Will be having a bit of a play with that over the next few days.
Cheers Jarp, will give that a go when I get home :)
Whilst I'm here, why do I sometimes see gk added to a commang. eg. sudo OR gksudo? What's the difference?
Cheers Jarp, will give that a go when I get home :)
Whilst I'm here, why do I sometimes see gk added to a commang. eg. sudo OR gksudo? What's the difference?
sudo just asks your password at the command line, gksudo does it through the GUI.
The GUI for Ubuntu is called GNOME, and the interface for it GDK, so sometimes you'll find references to them in program names :)
Worked a treat....kind of :)
The partitions are now not showing on the desktop, but the still show in "Computer" with an option to mount them I'd rather they were totally hidden but it's no biggy.
If you think your laptop is up for it, install Compiz Fusion and the compizconfig-settings-manager (in the repositories). Its so nice!
It sure is. I came pre-installed with 7.10 and I've been having a play with it. Got the cube kind of working although it doesn't do what I think I've seen it do in some videos. Mine just rotates to the next screen whereas I'm sure I've seen a solid cube with all the sides showing.
CTRL+ALT then hold the left button, will let you rotate it freely :)
windows key + e is also cool, also hold ctrl+alt and then click and drag the desktop :)
If you haven't already:
sudo apt-get install emerald
(plus compizconfig-settings-manager if you dont have it already :))
Ah, cheers guys :)
Yep, got the Comiz settings manager installed. Not done Emerald yet so will take a look now :)
Seem to have hit a problem. I go to download emerald but it just hangs...
james@james-laptop:~$ gksudo apt-get install emerald
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
fgfs-base simgear0
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following extra packages will be installed:
libemeraldengine0
Recommended packages:
emerald-themes
The following NEW packages will be installed
emerald libemeraldengine0
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 299kB of archives.
After unpacking 1348kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y
It doesn't go any further after I confirm to continue.
/edit... just noticed in that code above about removing some other uneeded stuff. Tried that and that just hangs too :/
So it doesn't even download the files?
Try
gksudo apt-get update
and then try again.
Nope, it just hangs there. Doesn't seem to download anything. I'll try the update when I get home tonight :)
Assuming you can browse the web ok, try using one of the gui tools. Synaptic is in System > Administration iirc.
Got it installed via Synaptic in the end. Funny thing is is that if I now try it through terminal, it connects up and says the package is up to date. I tried downloading gDesklets with apt-get and that didn't work either. So, it seems some things are fine whilst others aren't. I also tried the apt-get autoremove this morning and that went through first time.
Wohoo! Compiz Fusion and Emerald successfully persuaded onto my Gentoo box. Thanks. :)
Dunno what Windows + e was supposed to do though - does nothing for me. :'(
Dunno what Windows + e was supposed to do though - does nothing for me. :'(
Funnily enough, I've just taken a screenshot of what it does. Check our the desktop thread, it's my middle picture.
I don't get any of the background effects either. I can tell I still have a lot of fiddling to do. :)
Have you got the compiz settings manager installed?
Of course - just not had much of a play with it yet (besides setting up Emerald).
It's ccsm in portage I think Mark :)
[edit]nm, didnt see new page :o
It's also a dependency of compiz-fusion in Portage, so I didn't have to do anything to get it (same goes for Emerald, oddly). :)
That's not to say that it just worked - it didn't. There were some undocumented hoops that needed jumping through first.
Gentoo hasn't changed much then :D
Well, they were at least documented on the Gentoo Wiki, so that's changed. :D
Turning on Expo seems to have helped (wonder where that name came from ;)), though setting a background for the cube didn't.
*wonders why people still use Gentoo*
Mostly because I can. :p
My Gentoo desktop at home was originally configured in December 2003 - on a 2.4 series kernel. It's taken kernel upgrades, GCC upgrades, disk failures, upgrades from a 2002 AMD Palomino chip to an Intel Core 2 chip, and at least three re-compilations of the entire system, and it all still works. Try doing that with most other distros. Don't even think about trying that with Windows. :p
I also use it on a Datacentre server because I know it pretty much inside out (to the point of suggesting and testing fixes to the Portage tree).
Admittedly, if I want a 'quick hit', I go straight to Ubuntu, and I currently have six instances of that running, probably to be joined soon by CentOS as well.
In other words, I'm an equal opportunity distro user. ;D
Well here's a little update after a few weeks of use.... I love it :D
For me, it's just the right balance between a user friendly OS and having commands to use via the terminal. Installing apps is just great using get-apt install or using add/remove or the synaptic package installer. Only problems I've had so far is the wireless not always working properly on startup (maybe 1 in 20 boots) and had problems with dual monitor the other night (although I didn't really try too hard to get this sorted).
Now a quick question....Wine. I installed it this morning but I didn't have time to have a look at it. I know what it does, but how well does it do it? Is it quick, reliable and easy to use or can it be a bit fiddly depending on what you're trying to run?
Usually easy but can be fiddly, and like all emulators doesn't run everything. For what it does though it's surprisingly good.
Wine Is Not an Emulator :D
For simple apps it's fine, the more complicated you go the harder it gets. Office 2003+ is largely a non starter to get the whole thing going. A lot of games work surprisingly well though.
Re: the dual monitor stuff, Hardy (scheduled for release this month) has a new screen manager which should greatly simplify that. I'd try it myself but I'm affected by a bug in the kernel which stops the installer booting on my main rig. They've fixed it now, so hopefully I'll get to install RC1 on it.
Or just grab a nightly snapshot and give that a go if you're brave enough. :D
I'm already running Hardy in a VM but I'm using server so no GUI.
Got WINE all sorted :) Running altbinz for my NZB's just like I did in Doze :D
Desmo, there's a fair bit in this thread earlier about video and dual screens - Have a read back if you've not already done so.
Or just grab a nightly snapshot and give that a go if you're brave enough. :D
I grabbed a daily after the fix was supposedly committed but it didn't appear to be there. Wasn't just me either. I'll probably just wait for the RC now, I can do most of my messing on the laptop :)
More questions :D
I'm now using an app called Blueman to handle all of my bluetooth phone connection stuff but I'd like to make it the default app for this. I currently have a keyboard shortcut which turns my bluetooth on and off. When I turn it on, Ubuntu loads up the default Bluetooth module in the task bar. I'd like it so that Blueman launches instead.
Another thing is I'm having to run an old version of Blueman. The latest version of Blueman needs a newer version of Bluez-Utils which in turn needs a newer version of libc6. Problem is, libc6 in the repos only goes up to 2.6 and I need 2.7. I there a way around this? Is it safe to manually install a newer version from elsewhere? Thinking I might just wait until Hardy goes live and see if that has the newer libc6 that I need.
Hardy ships with libc6 2.7 and has bluez-utils 3.26 in the repository. Does that help?
Yeah, will probs do the upgrade anyway so that's good news :)
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