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Stan_Lite
12-03-2008, 21:58
I went to Optical Express today for my laser eye surgery consultation and have decided to go ahead with it, despite the expense.
I'll be getting Lasik with Wavefront and Intralase - basically the top of the range up-to-date treatments. I'm booked in for the 6th of May (next time I'm home from work) and the total cost is a little over £3000 for both eyes :shocked:
It'll be worth it. I'm looking forward to waking up in the morning and being able to see properly without putting on specs or shoving bits of plastic on my eyeballs.
Anybody had this done or know people who've had it done? I've been given an idea what to expect but real-life experiences are always helpful to get a better understanding of what's involved.
Flibster
12-03-2008, 22:17
Yup. The other half - Hang on a mo I'll get here in here. :D
I'm now acting as secretary.... :eek:
- She had them done in 2003 - her eyes were deteriorating before the operation, now they are stable.
- She had them done at Moorfields Eye Hospital - the best place to get them done. Cost less than £3k though!
- She had the Lasik, but she didn't need the wavefront as she didn't have much astigmatism.
- Took around 2 hours - including the medications and the final checks and all that guff.
- Make sure you have someone to take you home *not someone who will lead you into a deep puddle.... ;)*
- The procedure doesn't take that long at all. Around 30 mins.
- They put some local anesthetic into your eyes and then prop your eyes open. Similar sort of system to the one in Clockwork Orange it seems. :D You still have the blink reflex, but your eyes don't shut - doesn't feel like they are propped open though due to the anesthetic.
- Told to look at a red light, then the laser goes zappy - just looks like stars.
- Her eyes were bad before the operation, around -10 *blind as a bat in other words...*
- When she got home 2 hours after the operation, washed the gritty bits out with the eyedrops *you will probably need help for this* and could see everything clearly in the flat without contacts or glasses for the first time ever!
- Next morning, looked out the window and could make out the trees on the horizon.
- Had to wear stupid goggles in bed. If you rub your eyes you can remove the flap they make and seriously shaft your eyes.
Downsides:
- Eyes felt tired for the first couple of weeks. Felt like she had her contacts in all day and they needed cleaning.
- Sometimes a little dry for the first couple of months.
- More sensitive to chopping onions and stuff like that - could just be because of the lack of contacts or glasses blocking the flow of vapours to the eyes though.
- Halos - sometimes at night bright lights cause halos. Only notices it in the car though.
- The bloody goggles!
- The eyedrops - several times a day for several months....
Got any questions Stan and I'll get her to try to answer them.
Me? I'm happy with glasses thanks. :D
The only thing I've heard is that it's not always 100% successful and can help to reduce the sight impediment rather than cure it 100%, also sometimes some people's eyes just don't react. What we don't know is, what are the long term effects - you'll probably still need glasses owing to old age (reading glasses etc...).
I'm tempted but my eyes aren't bad enough to warrant the expense and harley street isn't cheap!
If I were brave enough I'd love this. I'm constantly becoming allergic to different lenses and due to my job glasses are not ideal.
A friend of mine had them done and he said if I could stand him talking me through the procedure then I would be able to have them done - no worries.
I got to the bit when he said "your eyelids are stretched open"
:(
BB x
I got to 'they use a scalpel to cut a flap of skin...'
Not a chance in hell I'm sitting in a chair with my eyelids held open with a scalpel coming towards me!
Stan_Lite
12-03-2008, 22:42
Optical express claim that 99% of patients achieve legal driving standard or better and that less than 1 in 1000 need specs after the treatment.
I have given thought to the probability of needing reading glasses in the future (probably not too distant future :() but this would have been inevitable anyway and glasses would only be needed for reading or close up work. Also, they're working on treatment for that too, so maybe by the time old age kicks in, I'll be able to get that sorted too :)
Thanks Flib. that's pretty much what I've been told. The counsellor told me the first few hours would feel like someone had thrown sand in my eyes and the best thing to do was to go home and sleep for a few hours (wearing the daft goggles) until the discomfort went away.
I'll get antibiotic drops and anti-inflammatory drops to use for the first week and moisturising drops to use for the first month or so until the dryness goes away.
Stan_Lite
12-03-2008, 22:44
I got to 'they use a scalpel to cut a flap of skin...'
Not a chance in hell I'm sitting in a chair with my eyelids held open with a scalpel coming towards me!
There was no mention of a scalpel. They either use a precision mechanical cutter or, in my case, with the Intralase, they use the laser to make the flap.
You are lucky kitten... I have to wear GP lenses which I have to clean every night - I HATE touching my eyes and couldn't get the soft lenses in them as they were so sensitive :(
where I miss not having 20 20 vision is at the waterparks and swimming :(
BB x
Stan_Lite
12-03-2008, 23:07
I'd consider this in the future if for any reason I can't wear my sleep in lenses any more. As it is I put them in once a month replace them a month later and forget about them. I get up in the morning able to see and have no problems at all *touch wood*
Drive me mad having dailies/glasses combo though if I had to go back to that.
I think if I was able to wear the overnight ones, I'd be content with that but they don't do them in Toric atm :(
Having worn specs/lenses for the last 35 years, I'm sick to the back teeth of them and look forward to not needing them - small price to pay as far as I'm concerned.
There was no mention of a scalpel. They either use a precision mechanical cutter or, in my case, with the Intralase, they use the laser to make the flap.
Yup - to use the jargon - either a microkeratome (cutter) or a femtosecond laser.
Can you tell I've been reading stuffs? :D
How long do you have to wear the goggles for?
I've been tempted to but when I get to "cuts part of the cornea off to repair damage" or something I started thinking maybe not... Plus I have a pretty bad astigmatism I believe -5 and -115.
Would it help your sight at all Mark? Or is yours more a muscle problem? I hope you don't think of it insensitive for asking I'm just curious. I apologise if you're not comfortable talking about your eyesight. :o
LeperousDust
12-03-2008, 23:31
Wish i could get laser treatment, but my eyes AFAIK are just too bad :( Totally sucks and i feel my eyes hold my back so much sometimes...
Good luck Stan, i'm sure you'll love your new eyes :)
Flibster
12-03-2008, 23:37
Wish i could get laser treatment, but my eyes AFAIK are just too bad :( Totally sucks and i feel my eyes hold my back so much sometimes...
Good luck Stan, i'm sure you'll love your new eyes :)
How bad are your eyes?
Kim's were around -10 and thats a visibility range of about 6"
Something around that level allows you to be registered visually impaired iirc.
Stan_Lite
12-03-2008, 23:39
Wish i could get laser treatment, but my eyes AFAIK are just too bad :( Totally sucks and i feel my eyes hold my back so much sometimes...
Good luck Stan, i'm sure you'll love your new eyes :)
You might be surprised. The counsellor I spoke to said she had hers done 7 years ago (presumably with less advanced technology) and her eyes were a damn sight worse than mine.
one of the guys in my work got this one last week or the week before.
he seems very happy with it.
BEST bit of it, when they cut the flap open and then close it afterwards you have a ring around your iris while it heals. looks funky.
Stan_Lite
12-03-2008, 23:42
BEST bit of it, when they cut the flap open and then close it afterwards you have a ring around your iris while it heals. looks funky.
I'll be sure to get a photo :D
Yup - to use the jargon - either a microkeratome (cutter) or a
This doesn't make me feel any less scared!
Take it you've watched the videos of LASIK and that on youtube?
Blackstar
13-03-2008, 02:07
Hopefully next Thursday the eye hospital people will finally tell me they are going to operate on my stupid eye thingy and give me a date for it. I've got a chronic infection my body cant fight off and they need to cut out the lump and clean it out. The very idea of it makes me feel sick but i know this has to be done as letting the infection stay is bad for me, you are much braver than i am.
My eye sight isn't nearly bad enough to warrant surgery, i can get away most of the time not wearing glasses (i know this is bad) but need them for driving and uni or i just can't see.
Would it help your sight at all Mark? Or is yours more a muscle problem? I hope you don't think of it insensitive for asking I'm just curious. I apologise if you're not comfortable talking about your eyesight. :o
Muscle-related, or worse - the brain. Trust me to have a dodgy brain. ;D
If £3k could fix what I've got, I would have done it a very long time ago. :)
LeperousDust
13-03-2008, 02:33
How bad are your eyes?
Kim's were around -10 and thats a visibility range of about 6"
Something around that level allows you to be registered visually impaired iirc.
You might be surprised. The counsellor I spoke to said she had hers done 7 years ago (presumably with less advanced technology) and her eyes were a damn sight worse than mine.
Pretty sure guys :( Totally far-sighted. It sucks the big one. Basically i'm about as far sighted as you get and its stops being far sighted and generally just useless signted... +6 +8 rings a bell but i could actually be making that up totally, or that could be my contact lenses (which are stronger i think, right?). Also i have a uselss, strong astigmatism too, its all far too much hassle for them, and probably too risky... Not worth it i don't think. I seriously would LOVE to do this though. £3k would pay for itself within the next 10 years in contacts alone (let alone glasses and other stuff's related). My contacts aren't cheap either :( I just totally hate my eyes :(
Take it you've watched the videos of LASIK and that on youtube?
Nope. Just hearing about it is enough for me. I'm really squeamish about eyes.
So whats all this £395 per eye thing? What are you paying 3k for?
Stan_Lite
13-03-2008, 09:54
£395 per eye is for the basic treatment, which probably hardly anybody is suitable for. The wavefront and the Intralase pushes the price up. I probably could have got it a little cheaper but I'm convinced the treatment I've opted for will give me the best results with the fastest healing time (I don't want to be going out to the rig without this having healed properly.
I did look into getting this done and I knew somebody who worked at a place in Chelmsford that did it to let me know about it. But then I saw the machine thing on TV and thought **** that. Now I'm not squeamish with my eyes but no ta, didn't look very nice ;D
I also don't think it's been around long enough to convince me of the long term effects yet. I'm happy with my monthly disposable lenses now :)
Are you getting astigmatism corrected as well Stan?
Stan_Lite
13-03-2008, 14:51
Are you getting astigmatism corrected as well Stan?
Yup.
Do you mind if I ask how much that added to the total bill? Only because I'm getting mine done at some point and I'd like to know what the cost actually is. I want to get the top whack job done like you for minimal life disturbance but I don't have an astigmatism. You can pm it if you don't want everyone knowing.
Stan_Lite
13-03-2008, 23:35
TBH I'm not sure Jonny, I didn't get a detailed breakdown. I would imagime they'll send me some sort of paperwork. If not, I'll ask them - I'd like to know for myself.
Justsomebloke
13-03-2008, 23:54
My Landlord & Landlady had there eyes done around 2 years ago & are now blind.
It's cool though as he is now our local Daredevil type dude who fights crime & uses his other heightened sences. Sylvy is a bit buggered though as she can never find the washing line & keeps clothe lining herself every time she goes out to feed the birds :p
Now the boring truth.
All went well with paul & his eyes turned out great, They do one at a time & it's a bit weird for a week or so but all in all he said it's a piece of ****. Sylys not so good though, One eye didn't go to plan & she had to visit the place twice afterwards for slight correction. no real problem but a pain in the butt.
Both happily living without glasses these days No regrets & feeling ten years younger.
Personal.
Not for malc I like my glasses. i don't even have to wear mine for driving but i wear them all the time regardless as like i say I Like my glasses :cool:
Admiral Huddy
14-03-2008, 09:55
Best of wishes with this Stan. I know quite a few people who have had it and never looked back (no pun intended)..
I'm booked in on Thursday at Optical Express for my consultation. Can't wait.
Got one on the 26th at Optimax but I might cancel that one I'm that damn desperate to get it done :p
Justsomebloke
27-03-2008, 20:03
Worst comes to worse then you can become the Real Daredevil, How kin cool would that be :cool:
Not the I cannot act Ben affliction daredevil either the Real one from Marvel :evil:
Matblack
27-03-2008, 20:13
Stan I have recently found out that Penski's other half is a laz tech and does the op in your area and others, might be worth having a chat and 'seeing' (<see what I did there?) if he can get you a deal ;)
MB
Stan_Lite
27-03-2008, 20:31
Stan I have recently found out that Penski's other half is a laz tech and does the op in your area and others, might be worth having a chat and 'seeing' (<see what I did there?) if he can get you a deal ;)
MB
I see what you did. Let's hope I can still see what you did in 6 weeks time ;)
This was discussed in the other place and he was going to see about a special request for the staff to be wearing sexy shoes on the day of my procedure :D
I thought she worked up in Toon town? I'm down south where we drink shandy and Pimms.
Stan_Lite
28-03-2008, 12:19
I thought she worked up in Toon town?
That's where I reside these days :)
I tried Pimms once - they were dishing out samples at the airport once :puke:
Must be too Northern for sophisticated drinks ;)
I'm booked up for 1st May :cool:
Had my consultation earlier today, pretty gross procedure where they measure your eye up and they put drops in to dilate your pupils. At the moment my eyesight is all screwed up because they look like this:
http://www.dropfiles.net//files/319/random pics/dilated-pupil.jpg
Really sensitive to bright lights and can't focus on anything close up unless I take my glasses off and get really close so I'm practically licking my laptop keyboard to post this :D
Grossest bit was when they measure the thickness of your cornea. They put in some anaesthetic drops and use what I can only describe as a spring loaded centre punch right in the centre of your eye. It sort of punches in and your field of sight goes a bit like what still water looks like when you drop a stone into it. I have a thicker than average cornea, wooo go me :cool:
Well that's definitely killed off the last of me wanting it done!
You can't feel it at all but the anaesthetic drops made me feel a bit sick. Not sure how much of that was psychological and how much was chemical reaction but I have needle phobia so it's probably just in my heid :D
The thickness testing thing sounds yuck :p
I've had my pupils dilated a few times as I had my eyes checked out a lot a few years ago thanks to an odd scar on one of them. Looks cool but bloody annoying :p
Had my consultation earlier today, pretty gross procedure where they measure your eye up and they put drops in to dilate your pupils. At the moment my eyesight is all screwed up because they look like this:
http://www.dropfiles.net//files/319/random pics/dilated-pupil.jpg
Really sensitive to bright lights and can't focus on anything close up unless I take my glasses off and get really close so I'm practically licking my laptop keyboard to post this :D
Grossest bit was when they measure the thickness of your cornea. They put in some anaesthetic drops and use what I can only describe as a spring loaded centre punch right in the centre of your eye. It sort of punches in and your field of sight goes a bit like what still water looks like when you drop a stone into it. I have a thicker than average cornea, wooo go me :cool:
Don't be such a pussy, I have to have that all (and more) done regularly. :p
I've had to have the same testing done too - though not the punch in the cornea. :shocked:
It's when they dilate and then deliberately shine bright lights in that you really know about it. :(
No, apparently abnormally high pressures within my eyes so they need to keep testing them, which involves various dilating eyedrops, weird yellow stuff, poking, prodding, scanning, air puffing etc.
Bloody gay it is. I've heard glaucoma mentioned but I think that's a 'possibly might' happen if it gets worse.
Yes, it's the glaucoma test that needs all the 'gay' stuff. Thought I recognised it. Only had the glaucoma test done once myself and don't intend having it done again for a while. It runs in my stepdad's family but not (as far as I know) in my genetic parents.
I've also had two eye ops to remove polyps (the same ones - they grew back). I don't want any more of those either but wouldn't be surprised. :/
Blackstar
03-04-2008, 20:45
Well i can safely say i'm an utter pussy when it comes to my eyes. When i had the patch on i realised just how bad the eyesight in my right eye is, seems that i rely on my better (left) eye to compensate without glasses on. I was seriously disorientated with one eye, it was horrible.
Well, there's one good thing - Now you understand what I'm like all the time. ;D ;D
Blackstar
03-04-2008, 20:55
Yes, I wouldn't want to go through it again. Although i suppose after a while you would start to adapt, I went from 2 to 1 for only about 8 hours. It is difficult to describe just what it is like trying to do things like going down stairs and even writing (i had to fill in forms for an essay submission) it was barely legible.
Problem is my eye still isn't healing properly, back to doctors tomorrow.
I am done, I can see. This is a miracle of modern science.
So you go into the operating room and lay on your back. They clean outside your eyelids with cotton wool, put some anaesthetic drops in your eyes and ask you to close your eyes. You chat with the staff for about 5-10 minutes. The surgeon tests the equipment. He pops a doodah in your eye that holds your eyelids open and cuts the flap, this happens as quick as you can snap your finger, literally. You then look at the flashing orange dot in the machine and the surgeon rolls back the flap on your eye which you can see but not feel. The machine makes a number of loud clicking noises and you can see blue flashes for about 5-10 seconds. Then it's done! The surgeon puts some drops in, smooths the flap back over and asks you to make your own way to the recovery room. Make your own way to to the recovery room, you can see!!!
Immediate sight is a bit hazy, after about an hour my eyes were a bit stingy and I took some pain killers in anticipation, eyes were a bit gritty throughout the evening but I've woken up with perfect sight and no eye irritation at all.
Glad it went well, sounds amazing!
Glad its all good :)
I still don't like the idea of being able to see the flap and stuff but I probably still will get it done one day.
You can't see the flap! The surgeon just wipes something small across your eye and it goes a bit blurry like you've just taken your specs off. But obviously you know what he's done.
I tried to see any cut marks in my eye but you can't see anything.
Wow amazing! So you can now see? What's it like at night? How long does the grittiness last? How much did it cost? And when can I come and see them! lol!
Wow amazing! So you can now see? What's it like at night? How long does the grittiness last? How much did it cost? And when can I come and see them! lol!
Well it's 15 hours since the procedure and I can see perfectly and there's no discomfort. Eyes are just a little dry but I didn't sleep very well last night with the goggles on.
It's not really grittiness, it was a bit stingy when the anaesthetic wore off so I took a couple of pain killers and last night it just felt like I had dirty contact lenses in, that sort of feeling. Today, nothing. I went out and bought loads of pain killers but I didn't need them :D
It cost £2K, I've been saving up.
OMG
Still made me cringe though :(
BB x
Hmmm interesting - I may blow a bonus this year on this... though my eyes aren't THAT bad.....
OMG,... cutting FLAPS..... into your EYE!
That is most probably my worst nightmare.... I would freak right out and panic....
*loves her eyes*
*never wants to lose her fab vision*
*hugs eyes*
Kell_ee001
02-05-2008, 09:54
Sounds like it worked at treat! :D
OMG,... cutting FLAPS..... into your EYE!
That is most probably my worst nightmare.... I would freak right out and panic....
*loves her eyes*
*never wants to lose her fab vision*
*hugs eyes*
Pic of you hugging eyes please!
My eyes are terrible but I'm too wimpy to do the surgury...People tell me its not such a big deal, but wouldn't I be able to SEE them doing everything?? Thats the bit I can't handle!!!
I am done, I can see. This is a miracle of modern science.
How much £££?
Me wants :(
edit - nvm, read the thread.
£2k.
I reckon I could accrue that over summer.
I'm tempted to save up and finally get mine done this year. Been wearing glasses and contact lenses for too many years now.
LeperousDust
02-05-2008, 17:25
/Jealous
I've got to get my eyes checked out sometime soon for glasses and contacts again doing it private (thanks Johny!) i'm gonna ask about the (very slim) chance of any laser surgery but i'm going to get laughed out the shop tbh...
Just checked my contact prescription, hold your breathe guys:
Left
BC 9.50
DIA 15.0
Power +7.50
Cyl -2.50 x Axis 1.75
Right
BC 9.20
DIA 15.0
Power +6.75
Cyl -2.50 x Axis 1.75
Not a sodding chance :(
I do wonder how i can see at all without my glasses on sometimes =/ Everyone i speak to thinks they have crap eyesight at 3/4/5 etc... My "best" eye is worse than that... I guess i just don't know any better an my brain does a little bit of compensating?
I dunno, my friend was -7 in both eyes and they didn't bat an eyelid. Just went ahead and did it and that was 5 years ago. The impression I got was the stronger your prescription the more likely you are to have to settle with 20/20 vision rather than better-than-average and the recovery time is a bit longer. I think Wavefront which is the more advanced treatment increases your chances of perfect sight even more. Mine is astonishingly good even today.
Bizzarely today I got led to the wrong room for my 24 hour checkup. Because I didn't turn up with sunglasses and red eyes they thought I'd got it done a week ago. My eyes are fine already, I've been in town shopping most of the day :D
Optical Express are free for the consultation so it might be worth going along for one even if you choose not to get it done. They also all do interest free credit to get you in the door.
LeperousDust
02-05-2008, 18:14
I'm really happy for you! That must be something special waking up in the morning having a shower and thinking wtf i can see the tiles perfectly etc... :D
I'll drop in one of the clinics soon then, i reallllly would love to get this done, and my student loan is itching to be blown, i just feel i'll turned away not just because of power but from what i understand i've got a pretty bad astigmatism too :( 'Nout to lose with a free consultation though!
Its great to see you healing so quickly too!
I am done, I can see. This is a miracle of modern science.
My eyes are watering just thinking of it, but that doesn't stop me wanting to have it done.
Glad it's gone well for you, I'd love to be in that situation :)
Stan_Lite
05-05-2008, 14:31
How much £££?
Me wants :(
edit - nvm, read the thread.
£2k.
I reckon I could accrue that over summer.
I've been qupted £3k for mine.
Was booked in for tomorrow but decided to put it off until I was a bit better off. I could have afforded it but would have been completely penniless for the rest of the month so not really an option. Luckily I realised while I still had plenty time to postpone. Probably get it done in October now.
LeperousDust
21-05-2008, 21:33
Spoke to a few hotties today (what is with that, quite a lot of hot women aropticians/opthalmists...) and managed to score a consultation on friday, even though they were booked up for a few months :D Huzzah!
One problem, how quickly did you eyes start seeing normal again Jonny? I'm driving home technically on saturday 3/4 hour drive, seeing is kinda essential if i'm being picky i guess..... :D
I'm not actually getting my hopes up i still don't think i'm eligible, but its free and shes pretty looking i also may try them out with contacts too (although she's unsure i'll get an appointment on the same day right now :p).
Another cool little feature is i got an automate text from them reminding me of my appointment, its like they know i'm a geek who generally doesnt organise much, but listens to reminders from his phone! Impressed so far!
I wouldn't expect them to do the op same day as the consultation, so the drive home shouldn't be a problem. :)
LeperousDust
21-05-2008, 23:44
Oh i know that :p But they put drops in your eyes in the consultation that mess you up, she said 24 hours but could be longer, i just wondered how long it took jonny to not look like he was on a massive dilated pupil high.... ;D I'm sure theyre over exaggerating but i don't want to drive home essentially more blind than normal :p
Mine took a bit longer than 24 hours to be completely back to normal, closer to 48 hours but you'll be fine if you wear sunglasses. It was only unbearable for about 12 hours but everything was quite bright for a good day and a half.
I spoke to them at my checkup and they said thay can do short sight up to -12 now :)
Ah - drops. Yeah, that sounds about right. Generally you want to be avoiding bright lights for a few days but 24 hours with sunglasses should be OK.
LeperousDust
22-05-2008, 13:18
Coolio i generally drive with sunglasses in a lot of cases anyways :) Hope it isn't too sunny that day! First time you'll hear me saying that! :D
HollyThirtyFive
22-05-2008, 13:44
Someone I work is having an op on her eyes now. She had it last thursday I think and is off for a week. But hers was more complex as she had a bad catarax and could hardly see a thing. I hope it works well for her as she was almost at the point of not being able to see the screen at work even with very stong lens glasses on.
I think my MDs wife got it done recently too and it worked perfectly.
I've gone from not wearing glasses to needing them all the time for tv and work. My sights got worst since. But it would take a while of my sight declining before I get surgery, It's brilliant they can do things like this nowadays!
LeperousDust
22-05-2008, 16:25
Tbh Holly, you they won't touch you until your eyesight levels out anyway, so if its getting slightly worse, they'd tell you to wait :)
LeperousDust
23-05-2008, 09:57
Any questions i should ask? I dont have *anything* in mind right now but might as well get my free consultations worth :)
Probably too late! How did it go? Yay, nay or YOU DO WHAT?!!!
LeperousDust
23-05-2008, 12:14
Its at half one, getting slightly nervous about the puncture your eye thing atm, funny they haven't mentioned this in any of the brochures or talks yet! Haha
Doesn't puncture it, just pokes it!
LeperousDust
23-05-2008, 15:36
Back!
Well i hate to say i told you so but.... i'm not a viable candidate, sucks that i was right but i was being realistic and thats what i expected. He wouldn't accept me for intraocular lenses either which sucks, so here to me being stuck with f***ing contacts for the rest of my life :p.
Aw no, that sucks. What was the reason? Are you long sighted or short sighted?
Ah well, another member of the 'nothing we can do' club. :(
LeperousDust
23-05-2008, 18:10
As i said, i'm long sighted with a pretty bad astigmtism, +5 (so on the virge) in my right eye and +7 (so blind) in my left eye. The guy was pretty frank, but i'd already said to him beforehand i didn't expect anything to come of this, so it wasn't like he had to break it to me gently :p. I get by with contacts anyways, just in the long run no matter how expensive that would be it would be easier and just as expensive as my contacts. I can't wear glasses when playing my sports :( sucks the big one, but i'm alread over it, you b****rd Jonny ;D
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