View Full Version : So how much is your car tax going up by?
Matblack
18-03-2008, 11:27
Minnie despite being a 1600cc car is in group K and will go from £210 to £300, a increase of 70% :/
Can't say I'm impressed, I do understand the idea behind it but my suspicion is that the money raised won't be used to combat climate change or shore up our terrible public transport system but will more likely be used to build more airports and roads.
When will people understand you'll never tax people out of cars unless you give them an alternative? Start subsidising the national rail network to a point where I can make a journey for less than the price of the petrol and its quicker and I might choose that over driving but until then policies like this will lead to a change of government to a regime which has already said it won't be able to afford to reduce taxes :/
MB
Group K? Have they totally changed the system again, last I knew the bands only went up to 'G'
Our cars are pre 2001 so we'll pay the standard £185 (up £5) although I do have to pay that twice for the privilege of driving the track car to and from events. If the engine capacity was 38cc less I'd only be paying £120 per car.
Matblack
18-03-2008, 11:39
Indeed, here are the new 'special' bands, note, if you buy a car in the upper bands not only will you pay more tax yearly but as a special bonus you get to pay a lump sum when you drive it out of the showroom.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3475/taxdq0.jpg
Right now it isn't quite enough to make me think about changing the car but come 2009 I'll probably swap to a newer Cooper S or a Clubman S which cost £95/ year and have no lump sum to pay in year 1.
I think this is going to do more damage than good to be honest. The resale value of higher group cars are going to be crippled by this and I suspect we'll see more cars made in the last 7 years or so on the scrap pile than older cars :/
MB
Both of our cars are pre-2001 so we don't get hit by this....but as you say, it's just a joke really. What do they think this is going to solve? Nothing. It's just another revenue raiser.
Blackstar
18-03-2008, 12:02
My car is pre-2001 so i'm alright, if it had gone up i would have had to have given up my car and either gotten something much smaller and much less powerful, like a lawnmower or be carless.
Del Lardo
18-03-2008, 12:10
Currently ~£210 and going up to £400
I'm annoyed that it is almost DOUBLING but in the grand scheme of things £200 is not an issue and wouldn't have stopped me buying the car. Still £400 for a Mondeo does strike me as insane.
The real issue I have is that the car doesn't get great fuel economy (~28mpg) so I already pay a lot more tax as a result of my car choice.
This is where it all seems daft to me. They're hitting some pretty average cars with a tax level far higher than they warrant.
leowyatt
18-03-2008, 12:56
Both of ours are pre 2001 so we're safe with £120 and £185 :) *phew* arse to all you that are being hit by an increase :(
Well on the longer motorway commutes you do really need at least a 1.6/1.8. This is simply so its not screaming its guts out doing 70. I thought I might be caught with mine, but I'm just clear.
This is a money raiser and its a way of rapidly getting that money back for example Northern Rock. Second hand prices will take a wallop through this, but I will still eventually swap the Focus to a diesel luxo barge.
The day that I start worrying about my emissions is the day that China stops opening new coal power stations at a rate of 1 every two weeks
FakeSnake
18-03-2008, 14:04
mine will be 220 this year, and 440 next year for the Impreza
whats ridicullous is... my 4.5ltr camper van will be 185 :D
FakeSnake
18-03-2008, 14:08
Well on the longer motorway commutes you do really need at least a 1.6/1.8. This is simply so its not screaming its guts out doing 70. I thought I might be caught with mine, but I'm just clear.
I am gonna pick up on this.. and disagree entirely
I drive my wifes Aygo 1.0vvti quite often on long journeys because it uses bugger all petrol.
Its perfectly useable on the motorway and I usually cruise somewhere between 70 and 80.
my last big journey was to Pebs 'Graduation'. Didnt have one incident where I thought... OMG I needed more power to get out of a situation or more power to overtake. It was perfectly capable of overtaking cars and not causing issues on the road.
I dont drive it like the scooby because it isnt the scooby. I get into the mindset of the car I am about to drive, then all becomes far less stressful and worrying.
Pre-2001 car here so no increase. Was thinking of changing the car this year for something newer if we could afford it but not sure that will be possible now :(
Oh well have to look at getting an old bike instead :)
Stan_Lite
18-03-2008, 15:33
I am gonna pick up on this.. and disagree entirely
I drive my wifes Aygo 1.0vvti quite often on long journeys because it uses bugger all petrol.
Its perfectly useable on the motorway and I usually cruise somewhere between 70 and 80.
my last big journey was to Pebs 'Graduation'. Didnt have one incident where I thought... OMG I needed more power to get out of a situation or more power to overtake. It was perfectly capable of overtaking cars and not causing issues on the road.
I dont drive it like the scooby because it isnt the scooby. I get into the mindset of the car I am about to drive, then all becomes far less stressful and worrying.
I agree with you.
I used to drive a 1.0L Nissan Micra and regularly drove it at the same speeds you drive your wife's Aygo quite comfortably. It wasn't a car for racing about in - it was a car from getting from one place to another cheaply.
I'm toying with the idea of getting a small, cheap runaround for myself so I'll have to research this a bit to see which cars are more economical. Probably be getting a diesel as I have no need to get anywhere particularly quickly and it won't be something particularly new or expensive as I'm only home five months of the year.
Both of mine will be going up from £0 to £0, an increase of 0%. What makes this ridiculous is if I fit the 4.7 litre motor to the Pop and it drops to less than 15mpg it'll go up to £0.
Their taxing system is a joke and £400+ for a year's tax is shameful when they don't offer an alternative. Sorry, but I'm just going to keep abusing the pre-73 rule on classic cars.
Admiral Huddy
18-03-2008, 16:30
Both of our cars are pre-2001 so we don't get hit by this....but as you say, it's just a joke really. What do they think this is going to solve? Nothing. It's just another revenue raiser.
Same here for our Galaxy.. I don't think it does do anything except a load of spin that the government are demonstrating that they are doing something but that's the problem isn't it. Everyone wants to act now but aren't really prepared to pay for the price. There has to be a comprimise somewhere.
I would have liked to have seen a radical change in policy rather than taxes.. Tougher laws on product packaging (not just bloody carrier bags), public transport insentives, cut back on street lighting, ban junk mail and free papers, go back to bottles for milk and juices etc..
It doesn't have to be taxing, it just needs some proper thought..
Thats fair enough. Personally the number of insanely short slip roads onto motorways I use, I prefer a larger engined car to get upto speed. I have done the same sliproads in 1L's and they just can't get upto a decent speed in time. It's more dangerous joining at 45mph than 70 slotting in.
There are also a number of roundabouts near me that are damn death traps. The m11 stansted springs to mind. In a 1L I was left with idiots cutting me up as I couldn't pull away quickly. With a larger engined car I pull away quickly, leaving the rest behind to fight over where they want to wander in the road.
Granted a small engine works on a motorway, but I would rather not wait ages for a huge gap to build the speed up to get past something. Especially if you are following someone and a gap opens, in a larger engined car you can just put your foot down and slip in. Smaller engined requires you to drop right back, build the speed back up and then have another go.
So yes they work on a motorway, but personally I wouldn't want the aggrevation.
The R32 cost me £300 for the year when it was registered in November 2007. It'll cost me £400 when I re-tax it this year, £415 the year after then £430 after that.
My car chucks out 231g/km of CO2 so it's in band G now then band L.
I knew before I bought the car that it was going to cost me £400 next time around and to be honest and extra £15, then another £15 on top of that doesn't bother me. It's irrelevant compared to the amount of V-Power it likes to guzzle its way through.
No change for me, the Feekmobile was registered in 2000.
Group K - so £300 too.
Time to buy a big 1970s V8. Classic car, lovely jubly.
Like CO2 is that big an issue :rolleyes: Just plant more trees and stop deforestation - sorted. They're trying to stop us from eating meat now as farming and processing meat causes 18% more pollution worldwide than transport (i.e. trains, planes, automobiles) apparently. :/ I'm fed up of this **** - I might just move to somewhere where I can buy a big car and drive it because I deserve to own something nice because I've worked my ****ing arse off, paid nearly 50% of my salary to the government, similar amounts on the duty of petrol, and tax and insurance, why the **** shouldn't I be able to drive what the **** I want without being ****ed around by some tree hugging ***** who have nothing better to do that make up some **** ****ing bollocks facts and figures about some global warming that hasn't even been proven as categoric fact. Speculation and preventative blind guessing is ****. **** it, they're not going to stop me driving what I want, even if it is expensive they can go **** themselves.
Will, it's specifically beef farming. Sounds insanely silly but cows farting methane contributes more to greenhouse effect than cars worldwide. Methane holds a lot more heat than CO2 (I think it's 5 times as much - would have to check) and eventually breaks down into CO2 and water anyway.
Edit: Correction. Methane holds just over twice as much as CO2 according to here for CO2 (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/carbon-dioxide-d_974.html) and here for methane (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/methane-d_980.html)
Will, it's specifically beef farming. Sounds insanely silly but cows farting methane contributes more to greenhouse effect than cars worldwide. Methane holds a lot more heat than CO2 (I think it's 5 times as much - would have to check) and eventually breaks down into CO2 and water anyway.
Edit: Correction. Methane holds just over twice as much as CO2 according to here for CO2 (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/carbon-dioxide-d_974.html) and [url=http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/methane-d_980.html]here for methane[/ul]
Well let's eat more cows then! Problem solved! So you see cars are clean! Tax the cows not us! :angry:
I can't stand this CO2 crap. It's just an easy tax to impose, the small fish (us). *sigh*
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/apocalypseno-dvd.html
http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/pdf/Memo_0708.pdf
http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/pdf/Manhattan_Conference_on_Global_Warming.pdf
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23337174-664,00.html
http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com
Some of my favourite reading. I've got a I love CO2 sticker on my car too :D
My next car will be a MK2 Escort, so they can stick their tax up their bloody arse!! :D
I got lucky (mine is due end of March) and someone at work said "get it now".
Class D so only £5 saved - for a 1600cc engine interestingly enough.
I agree with what Zirax said though, you don't want to be taking something like a Getz onto the motorway, it just doesn't have the power even for it's size to quickly pass a lorry or pull out without a gap the size of I dunno, the size of this new aeroplane?
I tried public transport to get down to Portsmouth. Long story short it took longer, cost almost twice the price, and I had to travel at night (as in, got there after midnight...)
Mine is a whopping $40 for the year.
Mind you, I pay considerably more for petrol per mile than any of you do, even figuring the difference in price. But I have no choice. I can buy a **** load of petrol for the truck for what a $300 a month car payment and $200 additional a month in full coverage insurance would cost me, and I'd still need to tax and insure the truck to haul my firewood. And the truck is a whole hell of a lot more reliable. I don't care what it is, a new car is going to have a problem and need repairs in the first 5 years of its life. My truck hasn't needed a damned thing in 5 years.
up from 205 to 440
excellent :(
My next car will be a MK2 Escort, so they can stick their tax up their bloody arse!! :D
I thought the Mk2 only came in in 1975? So still taxed.
I don't do many motorway miles in my cars (although a heck of a lot in the van!). There are a few places where it gets interesting with a small engine, but my little 1.2 corsa and before that my 1.3 metro coped ok :)
When the saabs are running, no problems at all, 2 litre goodness ;D
*looks outside to company car and grins*
A Place of Light
29-03-2008, 15:56
I'm going to be looking at an increase of a fiver, from £115 to £120.
Coupled with an average of 53.5 mpg and I'm not complaining.
Del Lardo
29-03-2008, 18:09
*looks outside to company car and grins*
But think of all that lovely tax you pay on your company car ;)
WTF is this?! My tax is going up?! EH?!
Yes....probably by quite a lot :/
FakeSnake
30-03-2008, 18:57
I gotta SORN the van for a month.. cos its due tomorrow, and I cant find the insurance certificate!!!. I have put it somewhere SAFE :/
Bugger
I'm not 100% but the post office seems to be able to check the database anyway now, so you might not need your certificate? Certainly it's doable online.
Just looked at PO website and it says you need the certificate. Hmm.
Del Lardo
31-03-2008, 02:05
I gotta SORN the van for a month.. cos its due tomorrow, and I cant find the insurance certificate!!!. I have put it somewhere SAFE :/
Bugger
Renew it on the DVLA website and you only need the reference number they put on the reminder. It looks up the MOT and Insurance for you.
FakeSnake
31-03-2008, 08:20
Renew it on the DVLA website and you only need the reference number they put on the reminder. It looks up the MOT and Insurance for you.
I would do that.. :D
but...
there is no reference number on the reminder.
I will have to wait until the next MOT to get i all 'electronicisized' (i likes that word)
So it will have to be SORNd for a month, not the end of the world any way
ARRRRGHGHGHGHHHH!!! £300 in 2010!! BAST**DS!!!!
£300? Bargain! It'll be £430 for me. But yes, they're bastards.
All CO2 based car taxation gets right up my nose as it takes no account whatsoever of how many miles you do. It's all very well driving a Toyota Pious but if you do 20k miles a year in it you're going to pump out more CO2 than someone who has a performance car that they only use for pleasure purposes now and then.
Justsomebloke
12-04-2008, 19:36
Mine is 99 quid for 6 months Due at the end of the month, Kin Marvelous :(
Still £15 for the scooter!
A Place of Light
26-05-2008, 18:17
ARRRRGHGHGHGHHHH!!! £300 in 2010!! BAST**DS!!!!
Are you keeping this thing now?
Knipples
26-05-2008, 22:07
Somebody tell me what mine will be going up to then, I cant work it out!
Its a 52 plate 1.2 Corsa.
Blackstar
26-05-2008, 22:34
Somebody tell me what mine will be going up to then, I cant work it out!
Its a 52 plate 1.2 Corsa.
I think £145-150
A Place of Light
26-05-2008, 23:48
Somebody tell me what mine will be going up to then, I cant work it out!
Its a 52 plate 1.2 Corsa.
Depends on the model, as IIRC some fall into the lower band whereas others fall in a higher one.
If it's a 1.2 SXi then your next disc will cost you £145, rising a fiver per year until 2010 @ £155 for 12 months.
Matblack
10-07-2008, 13:29
Hmmmmm, as I suspected, a lot more people than the govenerment originally said are going to have to bend over for this tax
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7498884.stm
MB
Not really any great surprise from a government is it.
Del Lardo
10-07-2008, 18:58
Hmmmmm, as I suspected, a lot more people than the govenerment originally said are going to have to bend over for this tax
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7498884.stm
MB
As if we couldn't have guessed :angry:
I could understand if it was just for new cars but back dating it to 2001 seems like political suicide to me. I know that in the grand scheme of things the extra £200 is bugger all but I am sooooo pissed off by it that it will pretty much guarantee that I will never vote Brown short of his rivals making equally dumb statements.
A Place of Light
10-07-2008, 23:15
I think this is an issue that the govt will have to change (or modify) it's current position on.
My car's a 2000 model, so sticking around £200. Good thing too, 235g/km :evil:
I do understand the idea behind it but my suspicion is that the money raised won't be used to combat climate change or shore up our terrible public transport system but will more likely be used to build more airports and roads.
You what?
I don't understand it,because it doesn't do what it sets out. Reducing co2 emissions. Unfortunately measuring co2 form the engine doesn't mean anything.
A 10 litre engine which only does 2000 miles a yer is going to produce far far less co2 than a 1 litre doing 25000 miles. The only way to achieve tax for polluting is to scrap road tax and stick it on fuel.
Oh and I'm pre 2001. I doubt I will ever get a car from 2001 or new. Unless I'm either rich or I get a little economic thing just for commuting.
This just gives me even less incentive than ever for buying something newer than 2001. I didn't vote Labour last time and I won't be voting for them next time either.
Von Smallhausen
20-07-2008, 18:23
Thats' what makes this legislation as much use as Newcastle's back four.
People will say bollocks and buy pre-2001 cars, often more polluting. The Government say that this is not a tax raiser but will not offset what they rake in with tax cuts elsewhere. Bad show.
Mondeo will go up by £5.
A Place of Light
30-07-2008, 01:18
People will say bollocks and buy pre-2001 cars, often more polluting.
Only in the short term.
Give it a few more years and cheaper (only by a matter of £100 or so) road tax won't be enough to offset the more frequent repairs to cars that are getting older and older.
The bulk of the population will take the easy route, namely take the tax hike on the chin.
Matblack
30-07-2008, 13:59
Am i the only one not to complain?? i've never paid so little car tax and mine assuming i keep my '04 reg will go down from the £35 a year i'm paying now to £20 a year.
Makes sense given the statistics which came out recently about how few people will actually benefit from the changes.
MB
Del Lardo
30-07-2008, 14:21
Am i the only one not to complain??
Yes! ;D
I've been looking into this and pretty much the only way to get the lower rate of tax is to run a small car or a very new diesel car. Now I'm not about to spank £10k on a new car so I can buy in to what I consider to be a stealth tax.
Running a small car is all very well and good if you are mostly driving round town but when you spend most of your life doing 100 mile trips to Heathrow with a twice monthly 600 mile round trip to Belgium having a car which can easily cope with sitting at ~70mph/130kph is pretty much essential.
I think it's high time the government introduced a few "green taxes" on itself. Gordon doesn't need to get driven round London in a Jag (or whatever he's in nowadays) when a Toyota Aygo would do the job ;)
Are they still going ahead with this? It seems they change their mind every 5 mins.
Mine is due tomorrow, £210 for the year. Oooof!
Right, so if I read that chart right, an Aygo, chucking out 108g/km will be £20? And an 03 106 1.1i will be £30 based upon the 145g/km emissions?
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