Someone steer me away from this mindless crap...

[Dee]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17860297

What a bunch of ****ers. I am fuming :angry:

[Pheebs]

Stupid bunch of *****.

*edit* Obviously not all of them. But MY CHRIST... some of their comments! JESUS. No wonder there are so many messed up women with complexes over how they look.

Morons.

I don't post often over there. But am tempted. Dear lord, some of them need a true seeing to.

[Matblack]

LOL, sad isn't it, a whole bunch of nerds who have never got near a woman since the day they were born holding forth on the subject of beauty and who they would and wouldn't have sex with. Most of them would blow their load if Grotbags from Emus Pink Windmill show showed them her stocking tops.

Theres absolutly nothing wrong with plus sized models, she's a beautiful woman, beauty isn't all about looking the best in a bikini, even the Miss England contest isn't ONLY about looking good in a bikini!

And by all means use the full URL, if someone tracks it back here then so be it, they might learn that their attitudes are unacceptable in the 'real' world.

MB

[Blackstar]

I tried, i got so angry i stopped bothering.

[Dee]

LOL, sad isn't it, a whole bunch of nerds who have never got near a woman since the day they were born holding forth on the subject of beauty and who they would and wouldn't have sex with. Most of them would blow their load if Grotbags from Emus Pink Windmill show showed them her stocking tops.

And by all means use the full URL, if someone tracks it back here then so be it, they might learn that their attitudes are unacceptable in the 'real' world.


LOL ;D

And done :)

[leowyatt]

what did you honestly expect? as MB said a bunch of blokes who think Nuts and Zoo are how all women act and look, of course they were going to react like they have.

[Dee]

From OCUK? Thats all I ever expect Leo, but thats not my point :(

[Mark]

Matt is spot on. I haven't read beyond the first page and I don't think I need to. I suspect it'll be mostly teenagers who don't have the first clue about relationships or the real world. When they've grown up they might realise that maybe stick figures really aren't everything they thought they were.

And this is from someone who has never been in a serious relationship, or a relationship at all for that matter (too shy tbh). It really isn't that hard to figure out what is and is not important.

[Justsomebloke]

Don't let it bother you (Is it me saying that O the ironing ;D)
I was going to post just about what matt wrote but in a much more long winded way that would have meant little so can i say What he said :p

I don't want to comment on the girl but what i can comment on is the amount of different types/sizes/shape/background type of women i have Actually found attractive.
In my own experience being good looking has absolutely Nothing to do with being Sexy. I've known Gorgeous women who were not sexy at all where other women who don't conform to the tabloid BS photoshopped stereotype babes shape which literally rocked me in my boxers.
Impossible to tell whether a women is sexy though until you meet her or at least speak to her via MSN :shocked: + ;D

[leowyatt]

From OCUK? Thats all I ever expect Leo, but thats not my point :(

What is your point then? :o I'm not with it today ;D

[Dee]

Matt is spot on

Maybe so Mark, but do you mean to tell me this kind of moronic attitude is confined solely to OCUK? No, its not.

As Pheebs said, no wonder so many women have confidence issues :(

[Justsomebloke]

Have we distracted you though ?
If not it's Bare hairy arse shots coming up :p

[Blackstar]

What gets to me most is that i'm the same size as her. Probably bigger actually, same height as well. But you can bet your arse they wouldn't say any of that to my face, only when they can hide behind the internet.
But apparently i have a bad attitude for having formed an opinion of the girl from a tv interview that i'm not going to change.

[Tak]

*Looks*

*Fumes*

[Matblack]

Maybe so Mark, but do you mean to tell me this kind of moronic attitude is confined solely to OCUK? No, its not.

As Pheebs said, no wonder so many women have confidence issues :(

That said a lot of confidence issues aren't introduced by sad teenagers who masterbate over anerexic models, who takes them seriously anyway?

As I have mentioned before the real poison comes from the media and respected figures who are happy to put poison articles about how Charlotte Church has become a heiffer next to advert for surgical weightloss procedures and other articles about how Posh is disgustingly thin. Totall mind **** for women to be honest but who supports these things by buying them? If someone isn't at a weight which makes them ill and is happy with themselves then they should be allowed to be happy not constantly harrassed to lose weight or gain it or dye their hair or ...... oh dear I'm ranting again :(

MB

[Mark]

Maybe so Mark, but do you mean to tell me this kind of moronic attitude is confined solely to OCUK? No, its not.
Of course it isn't. The attitudes expressed on OcUK are just a representation of a bigger problem. As you rightly say the results of that are very evident in society.

I admit that given my (lack of) experience here I'm probably missing the whole point, but given past explosions of childish 'hit it' threads I suspect I probably got the gist.

[Matblack]

What gets to me most is that i'm the same size as her. Probably bigger actually, same height as well. But you can bet your arse they wouldn't say any of that to my face, only when they can hide behind the internet.
But apparently i have a bad attitude for having formed an opinion of the girl from a tv interview that i'm not going to change.

TBH they're 1000% more likely to talk about how they would like to get in your knickers P

These kids are all mouth and are quite happy to slag off a picture, if it were a living breathing sexy woman they'd be jizzing in their Batman pants and trying to get up the confidence to actually speak to you.

MB

[Justsomebloke]

I think more normal women just need to be in your face ******* I'm happy deal with it. Those are the ones i find attractive not the ones that stress about there weight. ZFor me the weight is not the problem it's the women going on about there weight that's the problem. Me I like i good set of hips to hang off & I don't want women that have bodys like ironing boards anyway.

[Blackstar]

TBH they're 1000% more likely to talk about how they would like to get in your knickers P

These kids are all mouth and are quite happy to slag off a picture, if it were a living breathing sexy woman they'd be jizzing in their Batman pants and trying to get up the confidence to actually speak to you.

MB
This is why i love you to pieces MB <3 i was feeling a bit rubbish and now ;D:)

[Dr. Z]

TBH they're 1000% more likely to talk about how they would like to get in your knickers P

These kids are all mouth and are quite happy to slag off a picture, if it were a living breathing sexy woman they'd be jizzing in their Batman pants and trying to get up the confidence to actually speak to you.

MB

Im sorry, but I find reactions like this to be worse than the people in that thread are being. I'd say I shared the same opinion as Freefaller and probably a few others in that thread.

Given the membership of this forum is predominantly made up of members (past or present) of that forum, slating them all like that is a bit... silly, dont you think?

[Pheebs]

I couldn't help myself. There's not many subjects and topics that rile me but my christ.

Thread + women + attractiveness + slagging off mindless dippy *insert bad word* = THE ANGER.

Seriously. Those twits. Those bunch of gone off mouldy melons are the SOLE reason I go through terrible stages of hating myself.

MORONS.

MOOOOORRRRROOOOOOOONS.

Gah.

*goes off to do some drawing therapy*

I am THE Anger... hear me roar. ROOOOOOOOOOOAR.

[Dee]

I dont think he meant it like that Martin, if you dont find someone attractive then fair enough. But to say shes fat and minging, which she bloody well isn't, well thats totally unfair

[Justsomebloke]

I'm just glad i live far enough away from Pheebs to be safe :p

[Matblack]

Im sorry, but I find reactions like this to be worse than the people in that thread are being. I'd say I shared the same opinion as Freefaller and probably a few others in that thread.

Given the membership of this forum is predominantly made up of members (past or present) of that forum, slating them all like that is a bit... silly, dont you think?

In which case you are mis-reading what I am saying or selectively trying to pick a fight with me for some reason, that statement only extends to those who are are making stupid unpleasent comments about this woman, not a statement covering every person who is or was a member of OcUK, I thought that would be patently obvious, no?

MB

[Dr. Z]

I dont think he meant it like that Martin, if you dont find someone attractive then fair enough. But to say shes fat and minging, which she bloody well isn't, well thats totally unfair

But in my opinion, she IS minging (and not because she is larger than average or whatever). Why should my opinion be held in less regard than yours?

In which case you are mis-reading what I am saying or selectively trying to pick a fight with me for some reason, that statement only extends to those who are are making stupid unpleasent comments about this woman, not a statement covering every person who is or was a member of OcUK, I thought that would be patently obvious, no?

MB

You were pretty generic:

LOL, sad isn't it, a whole bunch of nerds who have never got near a woman since the day they were born holding forth on the subject of beauty and who they would and wouldn't have sex with. Most of them would blow their load if Grotbags from Emus Pink Windmill show showed them her stocking tops.

My "problem" is that I dont find her attractive whatsoever, and I wouldn't go after her in a club or whatever. The vast majority of people are saying much the same thing in that thread and are getting blasted here because of it.

[Matblack]

You were pretty generic

Yep and funny, don't forget funny :p

I was going to say something about not getting your Batman pants in a twist but I don't think you'd apreciate it [<<<<<< this would have been a joke btw, just to clarify]

MB

[Flibster]

I'm with DRZ on this one. She's not attractive to me, but she's certainly no fat biffa.

[Dee]

Ok, let me put it this way. I am sorry to have to use Paula as an example here, if I step over the line, then mods feel free to delete this.

Martin, Paula is an incredibly sexy gorgeous woman, if when you were going out with her, what would you say if someone said she was fat and minging? If to someone else, she wasnt the most attractive woman in the world, would that matter to you? What would YOU say to them?

Paula tried to defend this woman in the original thread, but its always a case of "Typical woman, jumping in to defend her sisterhood blah blah blah"

Now leave me alone, Ive got loads of work to do, and you lot are distracting me ;D

Yep and funny, don't forget funny ;D

Indeed, I needed that ;D

[Matblack]

You have to give credit to them at least they are having a bit of a debate about it rather than the old

"I'd hit it, ................... yeah with a SPADE" style hilarity.

MB

[Von Smallhausen]

LOL, sad isn't it, a whole bunch of nerds who have never got near a woman since the day they were born holding forth on the subject of beauty and who they would and wouldn't have sex with. Most of them would blow their load if Grotbags from Emus Pink Windmill show showed them her stocking tops.

I know I would ..... I always fantasised about getting thrashed off Grotbags and her evil wand.

Anyway, back to the debate.

[Dr. Z]

You started the thread! :p

I dont really think its fair to use Paula as an example, but if you insist then I would have stressed that my opinion was held by me and that someone elses opinion was respected but I disagreed. It wouldn't have swayed my opinion.

As it happens, most people that met Paula thought she was hawt but not everybody did. Its to be expected.

I really don't understand why other people's opinions on something thats clearly as subjective as this get people so riled. I could brand the woman that sparked all this off as a fat, minging heffa. It would be my opinion and you could disagree if you liked but so what?

I really dont find Asian women attractive (by and large). Is this any different to me not liking obese women (no relation to the Miss England hopeful, just throwing it in there) or stick-thin women?

Is my opinion more relevant because I can express it properly rather than branding her a minger? Is that elitist on your part for disregarding the opinions of the less educated? See what I mean? ;)

[Dee]

You started the thread! :p

But now I am off lunch ;D

[Roberta]

I'm too busy eating this ENORMOUS dark chocolate Thorntons easter egg to even wave my (obviously obese) size 12 bottom in their general direction.

[Von Smallhausen]

I'm too busy eating this ENORMOUS dark chocolate Thorntons easter egg to even wave my (obviously obese) size 12 bottom in their general direction.

Roberta, if I gave you £20, would you paint yourself green and dress up as Grotbags for me ?

[Del Lardo]

Personally I don't find her at all attractive but that's because I simply do not find larger women attractive. I also don't find stick thin women attractive, I like curves. I realise that there are a lot of men out there who like larger women (one of my mates won't go out with a woman unless she is size 16+) and that's what makes humans great. Regardless of your size, colour & looks there will be someone out there who will want to do naughty things with you.

Callling someone a "fat pig" is simply never acceptable whether they are a man or a woman. OcUK has a high proportion of male members but I bet if Mr UK has a beer belly and was posted up on a forum with a high proportion of female members a lot of the comments would be the same but with the gender roles reversed.

[Roberta]

Roberta, if I gave you £20, would you paint yourself green and dress up as Grotbags for me ?

A tenner and a greasy spoon breakfast the morning after ought to cover it luv.

[Jonny69]

Lol, good job I took my comment off OcUK then. You lot would have had something great to have a go at me about :o :D

[Dr. Z]

I just summed up my opinion over there with this post:


I think the media has a lot to answer for. Combatting the size-zero culture with borderline-obese images isnt the way forward though (not talking about the OP here, just the general reaction).

Has anyone seen that ad on the TV for one of those plus-size catalogues? Most of the women featured in that advert are "larger than average" and are absolutely stunning. There was a Dove advert on a while back which also had some larger-than-average ladies, the majority of which were really attractive "despite" their size.

Attractiveness cannot be measured by dress size or scales. In my opinion, the woman in the OP isnt attractive, but it has little to do with her size.


Thats what I think.

[petemc]

I think if people used a bit of tact there wouldn't be a problem. Iif people had simply said that they don't find her attractive because they prefer a slimmer figure then it might not have been so bad. To run around saying she's a fat minger is a bit harsh. I don't see her as fat. She's obviously a fuller figure than your average size 0 or nuts mag girlie but not "fat".

As for Asians... *giggidy* ;)

[Dee]

Ok, lets agree to disagree.

Fair enough, some people think she is minging. Some would hit it etc. But I think its great she has so much confidence to do this, even though there will be some obvious backlash.

She is an inspiration to womenkind everywhere. As is Gok Wan ;D

[Matblack]

Personally I don't find her at all attractive but that's because I simply do not find larger women attractive. I also don't find stick thin women attractive, I like curves. I realise that there are a lot of men out there who like larger women (one of my mates won't go out with a woman unless she is size 16+) and that's what makes humans great. Regardless of your size, colour & looks there will be someone out there who will want to do naughty things with you.

Callling someone a "fat pig" is simply never acceptable whether they are a man or a woman. OcUK has a high proportion of male members but I bet if Mr UK has a beer belly and was posted up on a forum with a high proportion of female members a lot of the comments would be the same but with the gender roles reversed.

You see this wasn't really what annoyed me personally, of course its fine that people don't find her attractive or anyone else for that matter, the point is the excesive language which is used to describe her and that fact that the thread was obviously designed to take the mic, not to have a structured debate on the merits of someone who is not the normal size for a Miss England style competition entering the competition.

As far as Mr England is concerned I doubt you would get quite the same reaction from the majority of women, my suspicion is that they'd be more interested in meeting the candiates and judging them on their personalities and sense of humor whilst factoring in looks as well, with that in mind I'm still not entering, no matter how much pleading is done by the female members here :p

MB

[BBx]

She is an inspiration to womenkind everywhere. As is Gok Wan ;D

All hail the GokFather!!!
:wave:

:D

BB x

[JodieG]

She's certainly got a lot of confidence, no way would I wear a bikini! I must admit that personality means a lot more to me than the way a person looks.

[Von Smallhausen]

A tenner and a greasy spoon breakfast the morning after ought to cover it luv.

Done. :)

[Pheebs]

My god. Are some people just daft?! Seriously... one member over there is just wanting fisticuffs I'm sure.

I can't believe I have wasted an hour worrying about this.

Bah.

*returns to her sketch pad*

[Roberta]

As is Gok Wan ;D

My future husband.

[Jonny69]

My god. Are some people just daft?! Seriously... one member over there is just wanting fisticuffs I'm sure.

I can't believe I have wasted an hour worrying about this.

Bah.

*returns to her sketch pad*
Do a cartoon about forum nerds :)

[Dee]

My future husband.

Hands off ratbag. Dont make me kill you with your own pole

[Roberta]

Hands off ratbag. Dont make me kill you with your own pole

C*ck off! I want to wake up every morning feeling like the ladylike princess I am and I'm not afraid to spit, catfight and brawl in the dirt for it!

[FakeSnake]

C*ck off! I want to wake up every morning feeling like the ladylike princess I am and I'm not afraid to spit, catfight and brawl in the dirt for it!

Bagsy front row seats!

[Del Lardo]

C*ck off! I want to wake up every morning feeling like the ladylike princess I am and I'm not afraid to spit, catfight and brawl in the dirt for it!

Dirt is so over rated. Mud or jelly FTW

[semi-pro waster]

I did wonder if that thread would be linked to over here.

I'm not surprised by a lot of the responses but as has been highlighted there has been a semblance of debate in there too which is somewhat heartening to see. Quite a few of the responses do doubtless go over the line of what could even vaguely be construed as constructive criticism but to a certain extent once you've chosen to put yourself 'out there' so to speak then I think you simply have to deal with it (and hopefully people who do so have the unshakeable confidence/good backup from friends and family to do so).

[Dee]

I am just catching up, and I am almost in tears.

People have said to me before, they think I am a very confident person. I personally have never seen it, if others see that in me, then thats fine :)

This thread is making me doubt myself. I am starting to feel fat, and overweight, and a complete munter. How the hell can a bunch of twats from the ****ing internet make me feel that way? :angry:

Pheebs, you're very brave for getting stuck in there. I cant even attempt a reply, it will get shat all over ;D

[petemc]

Ignore ignore ignore! Close your browser and go and take some photos. They're not worth you getting depressed over.

[Dee]

Brilliant advice, thanks Pete :)

/closes browser and ****s off home ;D

[semi-pro waster]

I'd say go with Pete's advice, you would be arguing with and trying to persuade people who don't bother with logical arguments, not at all worthwhile, particularly over an issue that can and does upset you. :)

[Tak]

I'm going to feel very carp about myself, clean the rats out and drink baileys (only read page 1 the first time I posted, just read the whole thing now)

[JodieG]

I'm going to feel very carp about myself, clean the rats out and drink baileys (only read page 1 the first time I posted, just read the whole thing now)

Ooh I'll join you with a baileys ;D

[Pheebs]

I am just catching up, and I am almost in tears.

People have said to me before, they think I am a very confident person. I personally have never seen it, if others see that in me, then thats fine :)

This thread is making me doubt myself. I am starting to feel fat, and overweight, and a complete munter. How the hell can a bunch of twats from the ****ing internet make me feel that way? :angry:

Pheebs, you're very brave for getting stuck in there. I cant even attempt a reply, it will get shat all over ;D

They're a bunch of dweeby, spotty faced, 5-second-hold-it-ability-til-they-erupt-when-seeing-a-good-looking-girl, nerdy, presumptuous, argumentative, arrogant, ignorant, rude, blind and shi**y little fuddy munters.

If they were put in front of me and told to say what they have again to my face... I would look at them in a way which would make them wet their pants.

They mean nothing. They are probably either scrawny n00bs and never had a girlfriend in their life, let alone see a woman naked before OR just chauvinistic pigs with nothing better to do but to act like they have willies the size of the statue of liberty.

Do not, please DO NOT make their comments make you feel poo about yourself.

I very easily feel poo about my body but what they are saying is just ridiculous and disgusting and completely and utterly behind-the-screen bull. It's not applicable in every day life... they're living in some kind of fantasy world which doesn't exist. So I'm not taking what they're saying to heart. I'm just wanting to tell them their stupid pratts and trying to make them realise it - if not at least make others realise they are.

Morons.

[Justsomebloke]

Why don't you post a pic of some pastey faced skinny teenage nerb hiding behind his desk when at that age they should be actually outside living a life & rip the crap out of him, See if it rings any bells.

[Pickers]

I'm just wanting to tell them their stupid pratts and trying to make them realise it - if not at least make others realise they are.

Morons.

It's they're

*tut*

...Imbecile

[Pheebs]

It's they're

*tut*

...Imbecile

No... they are!

... plonker!

[Pickers]

No... they are!

... plonker!

I'm just wanting to tell them their stupid pratts and trying to make them realise it - if not at least make others realise they are.

Morons.

It's they're

*tut*

...Imbecile... x2

[Pheebs]

It's they're

*tut*

...Imbecile... x2

You're ghey.

:p

*runs off to poke him in the testicles*

[Pickers]

You're ghey.

:p

*runs off to poke him in the testicles*
..is waaiitting.. :D

[MarcLister]

Dear lord, some of them need a true seeing to.Er is this a bad time/thread to say "FNARR!"? :o:D

I'm just glad i live far enough away from Pheebs to be safe :pCan't wait till I'm back in Manchester! ;D

As for the OcUK thread a thread on women either sexy or not is always going to be hot potatoes or whatever the saying is. Just ignore the morons who post moronic comments. :)

[Will]

The world is a cruel place. People are judgemental and can be nasty. It's human nature. At the same time we can be the most incredible caring and empathic beings too. However we are all so different people are just not going to see eye to eye. Now personally I don't find her attractive at all, however I have dates some curvy girls not too dissimilar to her (though maybe more built than slightly flabby) who were dynamite to look at because they were pretty, and their confidence and humour/personality oozed from the way they held themselves and despite not being bikini-bodied they did look stunning in the right clothing.

We don't know anything about this woman, and I fear personally that it is a PR stunt, but I'm happy to sit here and say good on her and she's got cojones - well not really - at least I hope not! However, I don't think in spite of a vibrant gregarious personality she would win Miss England as she doesn't really tick enough boxes.

Let's face it there is a fairly generic tick box that most men/women have - well if not conscious at least subconscious - ultimately I agree a strong matching personality will always win, however you would be ignorant and daft to put aside the physical attraction side of things.

The "fat pig" comments are unkind, and it's laudable that people are defending her / attacking the aggressive scrotes on OcUK - however, I've been known to be offensive about people so I'm a bit of a hypocrite - and in spite of their comments as aggressive as they are it's easier to say something strong and punchy which relates to your feelings compared to something more wishy washy (but kinder) like "I find her very unattractive and think that frankly <insert blurb>" . However on a public forum with the relative anonymity one gets it's easy to be brazen with little repercussions.

To people's faces or behind their backs and around people I care or even around people I don't know I try to be sensitive and attentive not to offend people's feelings etc... However, I am rather aggressive towards people who don't look after themselves and demand pity etc... as I am towards other issues which are nothing to do with bodysize etc...

Remember a lot of people there like to stir a reaction, speak just for the sake of speaking and it's not for anyone to take personally - whilst it's an admirable quality you're not doing yourself any good and well, she can't hear you.

Why any of you would start to feel self conscious about comments made towards someone like that girl is silly. Remember she may be a bit overweight but her face mings, none of you have either problem in my eyes and I'd hit all of you in case you were wondering. Seriously though, don't be wound up by other people's overly aggressive use of language. I try very hard not to towards the Israelis so in that respect I have the same issue I can't help but be personally affected by it. IT's irrational and uncontrollable.

Please don't any of you become self conscious or worry about the comments there. They do not represent the whole of the male population - it's a forum, people can be aggressive and get away with it. Listen to your friends as friends > *.

[goldilocks]

i've not read the thread over there, but i did see the report in the news and have seen her pictures.

i can see why people don't find her attractive, but only in the same way i can understand why some people don't like the way size 0 models look.
i agree that there are is no need for offensive comments (like i say, i haven't seen the thread), but people DO have different tastes in women, which they shouldn't need to explain / apologize for.

[divine]

Will speaks sense.

I think the overriding problem which has illicited many of the negative responses is the fact that that girl is not attractive and that bikini photograph is exceptionally unflattering. Her face looks horrible as does her body, that photographer did her no favours at all, nor did the horrific amounts of jpeg compression.

Many larger girls can look fantastic and it's not something that's ever really bothered me at all. That particular girl however, is not an example of an attractive larger woman and the situation is only made all the worse by the fact she's competing in a pageant that largely focuses on her looks.

[Matblack]

i've not read the thread over there, but i did see the report in the news and have seen her pictures.

i can see why people don't find her attractive, but only in the same way i can understand why some people don't like the way size 0 models look.
i agree that there are is no need for offensive comments (like i say, i haven't seen the thread), but people DO have different tastes in women, which they shouldn't need to explain / apologize for.

If you read the thread I think you'll understand why people are upset, its not about what you find attractive its about not using offensive language to describe other peoples bodies which leads to other people being self conscious.

I don't think anyone is in any doubt that people have different taste but calling some one a pig or a pasty lover because they aren't conforming to the normal expectations for a bikini model isn't about what you find attractive its about being a tosser. Its typical male dominated forum banter and I don't really expect more from a lot of the OcUK membership, in fact I'm quite surprised by the level of intelligent debate it has raised and proud of the members here (who are also my friends) in how they have reacted to it.

What concerns me is what does the future hold when so many of our young men find women who are over a size 8 and don't look like glamor models quite so hideous, the human race may be doomed :shocked:

MB

[Will]

Thing is you've just hit the nail on the head. It's a predominantly male frequented forum. It's no different to pub talk or locker room talk. I'll admit now I've been guilty of joining in on the "she's minging" or "I wouldn't touch her with yours" or other such degrading comments. It's a harsh thing that blokes do. It's just the way it is. Women bitch and moan about men just as much behind closed doors - it's just in this instance it's public. It's a shame it's so visible and it's a shame it's offending my friends, but it's just the way it is I'm afraid :( I want to say sorry, but it's not my fault.

[Matblack]

Who's Justin?

It's a log time since I've looked at GD

MB

[divine]

What concerns me is what does the future hold when so many of our young men find women who are over a size 8 and don't look like glamor models quite so hideous, the human race may be doomed :shocked:

MB

I think you know deep down this probably isn't the case for a lot of them, it's a case of expectations and situations.

In this case, when you've just been told to look at a picture of Miss England, you immediately have a mental image of a slim, toned, tanned 'perfect' woman. That's what these contests are about to most people. When the person you then see is a long way from the expectation you had, the effect of 'repulsion' (for lack of a better word atm) is multiplied.

Much the same as if you went to look at a car that had been described as pristine, you'd be expecting an immaculate car, with excellent paint work, good as new interior etc. If it was less than this when you got there, even if it was just a few stone chips, dirty mats and stuff, your impression of the car would be wholly more negative than if you had been expecting a few chips etc.

When you then throw the internet into the mix, with it's anonymity, childishness etc. combined with a large contingent of adolescent males, it's hardly surprising.

[MarcLister]

Who's Justin?

It's a log time since I've looked at GD

MBFairly new Underboss.

[Matblack]

Believe me I am not surprised, disappointed, not surprised.

MB

[Matblack]

Fairly new Underboss.

Thanks

MB

[TinkerBell]

The thing that annoys me most is that they are mostly going to be peeps who would die to go out with someone like her, but would never get the chance.

Also why do the majority of guys have to be complete and utter twats about woman's appearances and why is it that important? When it comes to men though they can get away with being whatever they want to look like, there is no one saying men have to look a certain way, should feel bad if they don't? Why is it just woman that have to look a certain way?

A majority of the peeps on OcUK are jerks and that is why I don't even bother with over there anymore

[Pickers]

What I want to know, in all seriousness here, is why people are using pasty lover as an insult and taking it as a derogatory remark?

I LOVE pastys. My stomach in rumbling at the thought of them. The emmets on OcUK are being incredibly blasphemous over a food that is very dear to me. I am a pasty lover. That is my crime?

[goldilocks]

What concerns me is what does the future hold when so many of our young men find women who are over a size 8 and don't look like glamor models quite so hideous, the human race may be doomed :shocked:

MB

evolution came from our young men (and women) being 'picky' about who they breed with, so i don't really feel your comment is either accurate or appropriate.

i really hope that the majority of the population don't base their relationships purely on looks, but when it comes to a 'beauty pageant' you will always view it with certain expectations when it comes to the way the women are going to look.

[Kell_ee001]

What's with all the long threads today? :confused:

I made sure I read the whole thing before posting (in not a very serious way) over there and I understand your anger Pheebs, and I also think you put your thoughts across well :) In fact, it was so serious and clever, I had to check the sig a few times to check it was you :o Just didn't hear the usual craziness ;D

Anyway, that said, I think Will pretty much hits the nail on the head. It's a male thing, mainly young male thing admittedly but it's something that is expected when you enter those types of threads over there. I'm not defending it btw but I think people need to take such threads with a pinch of salt rather than taking it to heart so much. I know it's hard at times, but that's when you have to remember that regardless of anyones opinion no-one is perfect and every person here is cared about. *hugs*

[divine]

When it comes to men though they can get away with being whatever they want to look like, there is no one saying men have to look a certain way, should feel bad if they don't? Why is it just woman that have to look a certain way?

I dunno, there isn't as much pressure on guys but it's still there.

You'll find plenty of guys who'll beat themselves up over the fact they don't look like this;

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6088/ryanreynoldstonedbodylu4.jpg

[Justsomebloke]

^^ Where'd you get my pic from :angry:

[divine]

Googled for 'hawt pix of malc' ;)

[Justsomebloke]

You wanna Sue Google then for giving you false information ;D

[Matblack]

evolution came from our young men (and women) being 'picky' about who they breed with, so i don't really feel your comment is either accurate or appropriate.

i really hope that the majority of the population don't base their relationships purely on looks, but when it comes to a 'beauty pageant' you will always view it with certain expectations when it comes to the way the women are going to look.

I really think you need to have a look at the thread I'm commenting its progressed from a debate purely about Miss England and become a wider discussion.

The idea of the concept of the pickiness of internet geeks refusing to breed with anything other than glamor models causing a catastrophe of global proportions is my (obviously failed) attempt at sarcasm.

MB

[Muban]

As I already said to a few of the girls, it's just as well I don't go to OcUK meets anymore, it appears there would be wall to wall barfing! :p

I found the thread offensive, not because people found her unattractive but for their attitude. Also for peoples distorted idea about what is 'normal'. People calling her a 'creature' and the like, completely uncalled for. There was a lot of that over the top childishness that really winds me up too, saying they were nearly sick looking at the picture. Total fake over reaction, similar to little children when they won't try something new. Either that or they have some serious issues of their own. I have never seen anyone so unattractive they made me feel sick. Then again this is on a forum where people like Nicole Kidman are called mingers ;) (you may not personally be attracted to her but it would be sensible to say most people would at least rate her as an moderately attractive person at least).

[TinkerBell]

I dunno, there isn't as much pressure on guys but it's still there.

You'll find plenty of guys who'll beat themselves up over the fact they don't look like this;


True, there is no where near as much pressure on guys, I know very few girls that would insult a guy on the way they look. Yes woman like to look at guys like him, but we don't all want blokes to look like them.

I understand what you mean though, but there is so much more pressure on woman, I hardly ever see pictures of men being critizied in magazines or forums because they don't fit in with a certain look/size/perfection.

[Justsomebloke]

The idea of the concept of the pickiness of internet geeks refusing to breed with anything other than glamor models causing a catastrophe of global proportions is my (obviously failed) attempt at sarcasm.

MB

I got it & Didn't laugh at it either :D
Like that show "Why aren't all men like you"
"Because if all men were like me the Human race wouldn't survive :)

[Matblack]

True, there is no where near as much pressure on guys, I know very few girls that would insult a guy on the way they look. Yes woman like to look at guys like him, but we don't all want blokes to look like them.

I understand what you mean though, but there is so much more pressure on woman, I hardly ever see pictures of men being critizied in magazines or forums because they don't fit in with a certain look/size/perfection.

There is some pressure on guys, its become worse of late with more and more clones of Men's Health on the shelves but it isn't close to being as bad.

What do you think of my idea of women perpetuating the issue through buying magazine which carry articles criticizing the way other women look and offering 'solutions' Tink. I think the media has a lot to answer for both in conditioning men but also (and much more so, I believe) in conditioning women to believe they must conform and damaging their self confidence when they don't?

MB

[divine]

Yes woman like to look at guys like him, but we don't all want blokes to look like them.

I want to be like him and I want women to like me for it :(

[MarcLister]

Thanks

MBNo probs. He and DRZ were made UBs on the same day I think.

I take it Justin posted some interesting stuff in that thread?

[Matblack]

No probs. He and DRZ were made UBs on the same day I think.

I take it Justin posted some interesting stuff in that thread?

Depends what you count as interesting, his name just caught my eye and I didn't recall him but then I hardly go in GD anymore, I only read motors when there aren't any new posts over here.

MB

[Kell_ee001]

Anyone else think it's odd we're all having this conversation on Fat Wednesday? :huh:

[MarcLister]

Depends what you count as interesting, his name just caught my eye and I didn't recall him but then I hardly go in GD anymore, I only read motors when there aren't any new posts over here.

MBAh. Thought he'd participated in that thread is all. Tbh I'd never heard of him when he was made UB. But then not many people had heard of me when I was made UB. They do now. :cool:

[divine]

I take it Justin posted some interesting stuff in that thread?

He posted an astoundingly unfunny picture of a pig which all the usual sycophants quoted in order to comment with a good old 'ROFL' or 'LOL'

[MarcLister]

Hmm perhaps not a wise choice of a post for an UB.

[Matblack]

He posted an astoundingly unfunny picture of a pig which all the usual sycophants quoted in order to comment with a good old 'ROFL' or 'LOL'

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/462/spotoncat12wksek9.jpg

MB

[Kell_ee001]

Hmm perhaps not a wise choice of a post for an UB.

Not clever for anyone tbh.

[Tak]

I want to be like him and I want women to like me for it :(

How about we like you for how you are? :)

Anyone else think it's odd we're all having this conversation on Fat Wednesday? :huh:

;D ;D

[divine]

How about we like you for how you are? :)

What if I don't like how I am? :p

[MarcLister]

Not clever for anyone tbh.Just seen his post. Not the most mature thing for an UB to post in a sensitive thread.

You should edit his post. ;)

[Matblack]

What if I don't like how I am? :p

Well that makes things more complicated and I think the first thing to do is work out whether you don't like your self because you don't conform to what you think that society expects or whether its a deeper seated reason, if it isn't then listen to your friends rather than your perception of society. If you still want to change and if its doable then do it :)

MB

[Blackstar]

The language used by some people over there and how aggressive they were was totally out of order which was my main bugbear. I'm not going to pretend not to feel a bit hurt by their reactions on a personal level because i am, that girl has a million times more confidence than i do and they ripped her apart from an opinion formed on one news article and a bad picture.

[vix]

The language used by some people over there and how aggressive they were was totally out of order which was my main bugbear. I'm not going to pretend not to feel a bit hurt by their reactions on a personal level because i am, that girl has a million times more confidence than i do and they ripped her apart from an opinion formed on one news article and a bad picture.

Don't be hurt Paula. I used to let things like that get to me, but now I only listen to the opinions of the people that matter. Mainly the lovely people of BD :D

[Piggymon]

Because all of their girlfriends are perfect size 6 supermodels yes ? ;)

What a load of tripe !!!

Attitudes like those posted make me sick, they are the reason why sometimes I look in the mirror and want to cry when faced with my lumps and bumps :/

[vix]

It's bad enough that it makes fat chicks like me feel under confident - but when perfectly slim ladies like Piggy are upset by these comments it's really gone to pot.

[Matblack]

Hazzah someone has posted the "I'd hit it!......... with a bat" gag again :/

MB

[vix]

Hilarious i'm sure :/

The thread reminded me that my mummy was once Miss Wakefield. Bless her :D

[TinkerBell]

Matt I do agree that magazines, the press have a lot to answer for, they are the ones that make these comments spread like wild fire and get people thinking they should act the same. I do think that people should stop buying such magazines but that is never going to happen, the magazines need to stop putting such derogatry images or comments.

To be honest I know it prob has effected alot of woman to feel like they have to change, but when it comes to me I dont think it has, I hate the way that I look, but alot of that has been down to people telling me that i look horrible, fat etc.

I still think that alot of the issues have occured because of boys/men telling females that they should do this, look that way and that we aren't "normal" if we dont comply.

Rich you really don't have anything to worry about, you are such a lovely person and I personally wouldn't change anything about you!

Vix I absolutely agree with your point.

[lostkat]

I haven't even bothered reading the thread. Why upset myself over another thread full of comments saying anything over size 8 is a biffer? I give myself a hard enough time as it is, without reading comments made by people I don't know or care about.

However, I agree with the people who say it's more about the attitude rather than peoples' personal taste. I have no problem with people preferring fat/thin/big boobs/little boobs, but to say it in such a way that it's offensive to other people really isn't on. I also appreciate that it goes on behind closed doors all the time and maybe we're more exposed to it because it's a male-dominated forum, but that doesn't stop people getting any less upset when they hear it!

P.S. I'm a size 6 btw :p

[Justsomebloke]

my mummy was once Miss Wakefield. Bless her :D


Milf Pics Needed :evil:

[iCraig]

Because all of their girlfriends are perfect size 6 supermodels yes ? ;)

Exactly, the majority of boys over there will have a girlfriend just like the rest of us, or probably won't have one at all. It's not very nice to read, but at the end of the day, OcUK is very much a lad's forum and is heavily populated with boys who seem to think unless a girl looks like Kelly Brook, they're an ugly whale. Granted the particular girl in question isn't "stunning" to me, and I don't fancy her greatly, even though she's around the same size as my own missus. However I wouldn't kick her out of bed, and she certainly isn't terrifyingly ugly like some of the lads over there make out. It'll always be like this over at OcUK simply because of the forum demographic IMO.

[vix]

Milf Pics Needed :evil:

She wasn't a mum when she was miss Wakefield though. But the pic I have is fab :) She's in a santa costume with big knee high boots (It was the sixties!)

[FakeSnake]

She wasn't a mum when she was miss Wakefield though. But the pic I have is fab :) She's in a santa costume with big knee high boots (It was the sixties!)

haha.. cmon Vix..
less talk, more MILF ;)

a few of us were born in the 60s.. :D

[Justsomebloke]

big knee high boots (It was the sixties!)


Even more reason to post pics :cool:

[vix]

I'll see if she still has it. I'll refrain from telling her a load of blokes from the internet want to see it :)