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diddums100
11-07-2008, 11:48
What are they? i'm disillusioned with labour so am looking at the alternatives. But what are the conservatives actually offering in the way of policies?

B@Th*nG

Matblack
11-07-2008, 12:31
What are they? i'm disillusioned with labour so am looking at the alternatives. But what are the conservatives actually offering in the way of policies?

B@Th*nG

I have a suspicion that they don't really have any, I suspect they are waiting around for people in exactly your situation who are thinking 'I don't like the current administration, what is the alternative'. In the grand scheme of things the two main parties are now so close together it is hard to put a Rizla paper between them. At some point an administration is going to run into trouble, in many cases due to something they can't really avoid, like the global economy or global policies on emissions this is going to make them unpopular and many people will think that the other party will be able to sort it out. In most cases they can't and they play the 'the other lot screwed it up and we're try to fix it card' until things sort themselves out and then they langish until there is another crisis. It just so happens that the crisis was so bad for the Conservatives last time that we remembered it for an extra election but our memories are short and thing arenn't going well for Labour at the moment so at the next election we'll have the customary switcharoo until the Tories hit a bad patch.

This is particularly obvious with the Tories at the moment as all they do is oppose the governments ideas and make themselves the 'sensible' alternative. Just see if when they get in they reverse things like 42 days and car tax hikes, it just won't happen, from what I've seen its very unusual for an incoming party to reverse the previous administrations changes, they just seem to plough on.

The sensible avenue would be to give someone else a go but as we only seem to have (in the majorities eyes) two viable parties this just doesn't happen.

MB

Mark
11-07-2008, 12:33
I suspect you might have to dump that question upon David Cameron, because I'm not sure even he knows, besides attempting to be now what Tony Blair was last decade (i.e. big smile and claim not to be 'them' while sharing many of the same views). However, even though I'd typically be slightly Labour in outlook, even a man with no policies would be better than who we currently have running the country. :/

loki
11-07-2008, 16:33
It's really difficult this because when Labour swpet into power under Cool Britania, I think we could clearly see the policies fo Labour and Conservative. Nowadays, MP's of all parties are really savvy to answering questions without ever commiting an answer to it of any foundation.

It's a sad state for this country as when Labour were re-elected last time round it was by the smallest margin and lowest voting turnout for some years. How on earth is that a reasonable mandate ?

Being a labour voter since I was first eligble, I have fast lost patience with them because of how they operate at council level. Yet I really don't know what Conservative offer as an alternative.

Maybe being a bit old fashioned, I think voting is a priveledge so it would pain me not to vote but again, what alternative is there to an already poor government.

When you compare our situation to the American presedential elections, the democrats really have a sense of optimisim with the thought of Obama coming to power. McCain on the other hand appeals to the more conservative republican values. Another sense of optimism but for different reasons. I look at Brown & Cameron and I just don't get that sense of optimism or long term stewardship from either of them

Mark
11-07-2008, 17:10
what alternative is there to an already poor government.
A spoiled ballot in protest. It's rather desperate when you end up thinking of using such tactics but that seems to be the way in which we are heading. Politicians these days seem to talk a lot, but say absolutely nothing. :/

I look at Brown & Cameron and I just don't get that sense of optimism or long term stewardship from either of them
I think anyone who thinks they can get a sense of optimism from Brown needs psychiatric attention. It's all well and good being chancellor, but as PM you do actually need some personality as well as the backbone. John Major demonstrated that with the Tories, now Brown is doing the same for Labour. Cameron, like Blair, seems to have the personality, but does he have the backbone? So far, he's seemed to be reactive rather than proactive. I'll take some convincing that he does have what it takes.

Mark
14-07-2008, 10:53
Thanks, I think. ;D

PS - I fixed the typo how it was meant to be if you want to update your quote.

iCraig
14-07-2008, 11:30
http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=policy.campaigns.home.page

Mark
14-07-2008, 11:31
Proves the point I guess. Visions and Agendas do not policies make.

diddums100
14-07-2008, 16:45
http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=policy.campaigns.home.page
This is the policy information from that page:

Giving people more opportunity and power over their lives
In our open and dynamic world people's horizons are broader: their ambitions are greater, and they expect to be able to make more and more decisions for themselves. Government, politics and public services need to catch up.

Making families stronger and society more responsible
In a world where our economy is richer but our society is poorer, we must recognise that we're all in this together and not allow anyone to be left behind. The speed at which the modern world changes can be exhilarating, but also disconcerting. So it's more important than ever to strengthen the ties that bind society together and provide reassurance and stability: family; community; a sense of responsibility.

Making Britain safer and greener
In a world of new and unpredictable threats, government must ensure new forms of security - whether providing economic stability, dealing with unprecedented levels of international migration, fighting terrorism, or ensuring energy security. And in a world of global and local environmental threats, we must act now to protect the quality of life today and for future generations. An effective modern security agenda must be broad as well as strong.

**** all then by the look of it :/

B@Th*nG

Mark
14-07-2008, 17:26
Out of date **** all then by the look of it :/
Fixed. I guess no-one told them about the credit crunch then.

diddums100
15-07-2008, 11:25
its from their website, obviously they're relying on labour's ineptitude to get them voted in

B@Th*nG