Canon EOS 50D !

[Tysonator]

Hi, has anyone know what the expected price of the new EOS 50D is going to be in the UK. As the USA are selling it for apx $1300 ! ?

I have read a few reviews, seems to be a good buy !

[petemc]

There aren't going to be any real reviews of it yet as its not out. It was just announced last week and theres only really 1 real preview on DPReview. I hear it'll be around £1199. The real issue is going to be the noise level with the 15mp image. No-ones properly commented on that yet.

[Tysonator]

I did read a review about noise on the 50D and it mentioned that ISO will go beyond 3200 and the DIGI IV will keep the noise very low.
If the reviews are good in the near future on this 50D I think I will get it and sell my 400D

[petemc]

Got a link? From what I've seen its just speculation at the moment. I haven't seen any images being released showing the low noise at iso12800.

[Jonny69]

ISO 12800, wow. Wouldn't that like practically be able to see in the dark?

[petemc]

The Nikon D700 + D3 has 25,600. If you add a 50mm f/1.2 lens that would really be something.

[Tysonator]

I think the EOS 50D has still fallen short of the Nikon D300. As a friend has that DSLR and it is one piece of amazing kit !

[petemc]

Erm? How? It beats the D300 in a lot of ways.

[divine]

Erm? How? It beats the D300 in a lot of ways.

Such as?

A quick flick through the specs side by side on DP Review suggest only a couple of advantages at most but I don't know enough about the 50D to know if there's other stuff not mentioned on those spec lists.

[petemc]

Better ISO is the main killer. 15mp too. But now I look at it the D300 is actually pretty damn impressive. Damn. When did Nikon become the better camera company?

[divine]

About when Canon got complacent with their position, started making pointless updates instead of decent new cameras and then Nikon made the D200.

And then the D300 and the D3 and the D700.

The 50D has 15MP but also has a smaller sensor, so has a much larger pixel density, which, as we all know, is never a great recipe for inherent good noise handling, meaning Digic IV will probably be working its bollocks off to make those images clean, especially at 6400 and 12800.

[petemc]

I guess this is why they haven't released any real images yet. Everyone is expecting the maths to add up. Its possible that on a FF sensor it'll be fine like on the D3. So if they do a 5dm2 that'll be ok. But on the 50D it'll be a case of use it only if you really need to.

[divine]

To be honest, I was really hoping the 50D was awesome and about £700, so the D300 had to have a price drop and then I could maybe have justified buying one. I just can't bring myself to lay out £900 on a new body though :(

[Tysonator]

Nikon in the last 12 months have produce some really goods bits of kit. The D80 was I think the start of there decent DSLR. TBH the D40, D40X & D60 where good but not better in my opinion than the EOS 400D & 450D. My friend had D80 before he got the D300 I was suitably impressed with the D80 and now he has the D300 I wish I had a Canon DSLR that was as good. Even the feel of the D300 in your hand is very comfortable and build quality is extremely good.

[Toby]

I must say that every thread I've read about the 50D has ended up deep discussions about its relative merits compared to the Nikon bodies, but surely this is a moot point?

I'd imagine that most people considering one of the mid-range bodies such as a 40D or D300 would probably be upgrading from lower-end kit and would also most likely have invested in a few pieces of decent glass, which would make the transition twixt Canon & Nikon rather troublesome.

Of course some will still switch but surely all Canon have to do is produce a body which is "good enough" to appease most people and stop them switching to Nikon. Looked at totally objectively, it may not be a match for the Nikon equivalent but then not many people would be considering such a body as their first camera.

[petemc]

Thats the thing. Canon don't currently have a body to compete with the D90 or D700. Well, the 50D is probably better than the D90 in some areas. Canon really need to bring out the 5dm2 to compete with the D700. ISO 25,600, 8fps with a grip, full frame, decent weather sealing, etc. If I had the money I would switch.

[divine]

You need only look at OcUK to see the number of people with a 400D or something with one or two bits of relatively mediocre glass who will quite happily shell out more to move to a 40D/50D.

[Jonny69]

I would probably not move from my Canon to another brand and I don't actually own any other lenses than the kit lens. What it boils down to is I learned on film using an EOS so naturally I bought a digi EOS because I saw the controls and saw they were the same and I was already comfortable with that. I had a go on a digi Nikon a few months back and there were a few things I wasn't comfortable with because I was so used to the way the EOS worked. I think many people would be like this because there's just not enough in the performance to make a difference to them.

[Toby]

I suppose that, since decent glass holds its value so well, there's not too much financial pain involved in switching makes, even if you do have a few lenses, it's just the hassle involved plus learning a new control system, as you say.

I don't think it matters too much whether the mid-range models from Canon aren't quite up to the standard of their Nikon competitors, providing the gap isn't large enough to outweight the hassle of changing, I doubt many Canon owners will move.

[Tysonator]

I totally agree with with Petemc, Canon just need to produce a decent weather sealed body with 8fps, decent ISO range with improved noise engine. Then alot of canon users will be very happy. As the D300 & D700 is caoning the canon spec.

I concer with divine, as I am a EOS 400D user who wish to upgrade to a decent semi Pro body and feel dissatisfied with the current Canon line up, and to a point that includes the 50D.
However I do have a few expensive lens, so changing to Nikon for me will be expensive. The best thing Canon have going for them is that they have such a hugh range of glass you can use on their EOS range.

And Jonny69 makes a good point in that alot of people have learn on EOS film. I in fact learn on a Minolta 35mm X300 SLR. So I had to make a jump to Canon and every thing was different as my X300 was MF and the EOS 35mm I purchase was AF. And I proberly would not wish to relearn another make. TBH i am just being a little lazy, and would proberly pick the Nikon system within a few months. However I really wish to stick with canon, they are not helping in my decision !

[petemc]

I could swap. Its only learning a bit. Swapped phones, Windows to Mac, etc. But I can't afford to so I have to sit and wait to see what Canon do.

[petemc]

haha quite true :p HMS Albion comes in at 10:30am Friday. Annoyingly La Machine stuff happens at 11:30 at the Echo Arena. Then I've got a shoot at 2pm. Then more La Machine stuff later I think around 6. If you haven't heard about La Machine its going to be huge and I urge everyone to see it. I'll make a thread when it kicks off Wednesday.

[petemc]

Ah. It starts Wednesday. Bits on Thursday. Big stuff Friday. Bigger stuff Saturday all through town. Some stuff Sunday and then a huge ending Sunday from around 8:30pm outside the tunnel entrance near the museums.