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Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 12:04
Some thing strange has happened:
www.admiralcomputers.co.uk (http://www.admiralcomputers.co.uk)
None of the images are showing. They are in the designated locations but are shoing in the log as not found?
I've checked the privileges which are fine. None of this makes sense.
The hosting people don't seem to know what's going on. It was working a few weeks back and I've changed nothing.
Any ideas?
I see images but the layout is broken in FF3 in case you didn't know already, the sidebar buttons overlap the main text so you can't see it properly. They also overlap their own expanding menus, making them hard to read.
One thing, you have an unnecessary "Prices" button at the bottom of the "Prices" screen.
Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 12:13
ah .. they just wrang me.. Apparently I had changed ht access in cpanel which was blocking the images from being shown... not sure what that is or what i've done?
Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 12:14
I see images but the layout is broken in FF3 in case you didn't know already, the sidebar buttons overlap the main text so you can't see it properly. They also overlap their own expanding menus, making them hard to read.
I've never been able to fix this problem.. and no one has ever come up with a solution. UInless of course any knows?
One thing, you have an unnecessary "Prices" button at the bottom of the "Prices" screen.
noted for change - thanks :)
In simple terms htaccess is the file that sets permissions for what can view certain things etc.
It's the file that gets changed if you set up anti hotlinking or stuff like that.
I've never been able to fix this problem.. and no one has ever come up with a solution. UInless of course any knows?
noted for change - thanks :)
hmm... dicking about with the CSS, I can make the main body of text visible properly, though not the menu's yet...
edit - try
#nav li a {
width: 10em;
w\idth : 10em;
display : block;
color : navy;
font-weight : bold;
text-decoration : none;
background-color : white;
border : 3px solid navy;
padding : 0 0.5em;
}
instead of
#nav li a {
width: 11em;
w\idth : 11em;
display : block;
color : navy;
font-weight : bold;
text-decoration : none;
background-color : white;
border : 3px solid navy;
padding : 0 0.5em;
}
Fixes it in FF3, no idea about IE/Opera/etc.
edit - changing width and w/idth to 9em looks nicer imo, so you can give that a try too if you want.
Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 12:19
In simple terms htaccess is the file that sets permissions for what can view certain things etc.
It's the file that gets changed if you set up anti hotlinking or stuff like that.
Ah - that's what I changed.. I set the anti - hotlinking feature on!!
Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 12:20
hmm... dicking about with the CSS, I can make the main body of text visible properly, though not the menu's yet...
It would be highly appreciated if this could be fixed withiout effecting IE..
See my edit on the previous page, though I don't how IE will respond as I was changing things with FF's Web Dev plugin on the fly, I can't effect the changes server end (obviously) so that I can check it with IE too.
Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 12:25
Ok, I'll give that a go tonight as i have no FTP access here :)
Ah - that's what I changed.. I set the anti - hotlinking feature on!!
Huddy broke it!!!!!!!!
Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 14:12
I did:D just for a change lol
This was all discussed when Huddy first set the site up - i had a go and fixed it so it looked fine in firefox but then IE rendered it differently and made gaps between the flyouts so you couldn't move over without it disappearing.
I think it really needs a "if ie" rule in it so that it displays properly in both browsers
*mutters about browsers and 'standards compliance'*
No point having a standard if people can't develop based on it.
*grumble*
This was all discussed when Huddy first set the site up - i had a go and fixed it so it looked fine in firefox but then IE rendered it differently and made gaps between the flyouts so you couldn't move over without it disappearing.
I think it really needs a "if ie" rule in it so that it displays properly in both browsers
Aye I can imagine but all i've done is change 1 width value, so hopefully IE shouldn't spack out too much
Blighter
15-09-2008, 14:56
Aye I can imagine but all i've done is change 1 width value, so hopefully IE shouldn't spack out too much
Maybe you could take a look at thatsnotmyname.net and tell me why the sidebar sits at the bottom of the page on IE but is fine on all other browsers? :confused::D
Probably not as most of my CSS problem solving revolves around fiddling with things until they work, so I can't really fiddle with it in IE.
Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 15:11
*mutters about browsers and 'standards compliance'*
No point having a standard if people can't develop based on it.
*grumble*
Well this was just some code i pulled off the net. I assumed it worked. I'm not a CSS developer to know otherwise.
I think some kind of FF/IE check would be a good idea?
Blighter
15-09-2008, 15:19
I think all browsers should just use the WebKit engine :p
I think all browsers should just use the WebKit engine :p
You need to read the Webkit vs Gecko article I posted on SPS, WebKit is far from the be all and end all of rendering engines.
LeperousDust
15-09-2008, 15:34
Presto is God. :p
Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 15:45
#over head#
Explain?
The rendering engines used in browsers. Firefox uses Gecko, Safari and Chrome use Webkit, and Opera uses Presto :)
Webkit is the rendering engine Safari and Chrome use
Gecko is the rendering engine Firefox uses
Presto is the rendering engine Opera uses
TotalCrap is the rendering engine IE uses
The rendering engine being the code that takes HTML/CSS/PHP etc. and turns into a pretty page for you to see :p
When you say "if people can't develop based on it" are you meaning people like me or the people who make the browsers?
I think he means people like you, in the sense of 'What's the point in a standard when the people develop according to it end up with sites that are broken for 80% of users'
Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 15:55
Webkit is the rendering engine Safari and Chrome use
Gecko is the rendering engine Firefox uses
Presto is the rendering engine Opera uses
TotalCrap is the rendering engine IE uses
The rendering engine being the code that takes HTML/CSS/PHP etc. and turns into a pretty page for you to see :p
I would hardly call this standard !
Admiral Huddy
15-09-2008, 15:57
*mutters about browsers and 'standards compliance'*
No point having a standard if people can't develop based on it.
*grumble*
don't grumble...
Please provide the standard and the code so I can integrate to my website.
Many thanks
I would hardly call this standard !
Well, three of them, will render code written to proper (X)HTML and CSS standards 99% the same.
One of them will end up a broken mess.
Guess which one.
When you say "if people can't develop based on it" are you meaning people like me or the people who make the browsers?
People that make Browsers more than the developers. The whole point of the standards being there are to make it easier for all parties concerned, from web developers to end users, through to the web browser programmers.
Instead you're having to kludge code around to force it to work properly on different browsers because they're all handling the standard differently, which takes a fair amount of time to do. I reckon every minute wasted 'fixing' code to run on other browsers ought to be charge back to the browser developers. That'd soon make them work to standards.
As far as I can see the problem is that dynamic menu entirely, it just isn't sitting inside the table column as far as Firefox/Gecko or Chrome/Webkit is concerned?
Tried a quick mock up using a different menu system:
http://www.paulgraydon.co.uk/admiral/
Blighter
16-09-2008, 00:31
Huddy, I do web design ;)
Admiral Huddy
16-09-2008, 09:14
Tried a quick mock up using a different menu system:
http://www.paulgraydon.co.uk/admiral/
I like that... a lot!! is that php or CSS?
I was reading about the standards on the train this moring, and it appears that browser developers are struggling to keep to a standard and CSS seems to be causing the most problems, particularly with IE6 users.
I do need this IE6 complient as most users wouldn't have anything than the standard browser installed.
Huddy, I do web design ;)
Any help would be appreciated..
I was reading about the standards on the train this moring, and it appears that browser developers are struggling to keep to a standard and CSS seems to be causing the most problems, particularly with IE6 users.
To be fair though, there will always be bugs and quirks in implementations of standards in the same way there is in any other software.
The difference between the non MS browsers and IE is they at least attempt to follow 95%+ of the standards, whereas especially in IE6's case, it's shockingly bad. It's not CSS's fault, it's Microsoft's gimped implementation of it.
They've done the same with UPNP on the Xbox and with Media Player, but that's another thread.
Admiral Huddy
16-09-2008, 10:10
Tried a quick mock up using a different menu system:
http://www.paulgraydon.co.uk/admiral/
Garp, can you upload the code to my FTP area?
I'd like the menu system in it's own page so I can just include them on every page where used.
Thanks
Garp, can you upload the code to my FTP area?
I'd like the menu system in it's own page so I can just include them on every page where used.
Thanks
Easiest thing to do would be to nab it from the source:
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex17/ddaccordionmenu-glossy.htm
Admiral Huddy
16-09-2008, 11:44
Ok, done that.
www.admiralcomputers.co.uk/navtest.html (http://www.admiralcomputers.co.uk/navtest.html)
How does that look in FF.IE?
Also, there are two vertical bars at the bottom.. Looks naff and the minus button flickers after second time.
Ok, done that.
www.admiralcomputers.co.uk/navtest.html (http://www.admiralcomputers.co.uk/navtest.html)
How does that look in FF.IE?
Also, there are two vertical bars at the bottom.. Looks naff and the minus button flickers after second time.
The vertical bars are because you've got blank paragraphs or rows in at the end:
<td width="468" rowspan="2" valign="top" style="border-style: none; border-width: medium;"><table width="100%" border="0">
<tbody><tr>
<td>
</td>
</tr>
That bit :)
Renders fine in IE, FF3 and Chrome
Admiral Huddy
16-09-2008, 12:23
gotcha... and the<p> before.. sorted..
Just that flicker then we are there I think .. Thanks Paul
AboveTheSalt
16-09-2008, 12:41
The boxes (Services, Price List, Contact, etc.) still overlap the "Welcome to Admiral Computers" and "Thank you for visiting Admiral Computers", etc. area on FF 2 and 3 but not on MSIE 6.
Also, on http://www.admiralcomputers.co.uk/training_QuestionTime.shtml, it should read "I will answer your last question" (not "you're") and "this isn't always possible" would seem to suffice in place of "sometimes this isn't always possible" which seems tautological
on http://www.admiralcomputers.co.uk/news.shtml#Thinking_of_Windows%C2%AE_Vista, it should read "call me for further information and advice" or something like "call me for further information and I will advise you as best I can".
When I have some time, I will have a further look around and try to be more of a grammar and spelling Nazi ;)
He hasn't updated to the new navigation menu yet. That should fix the overlapping (hopefully).
Admiral Huddy
16-09-2008, 14:08
...
When I have some time, I will have a further look around and try to be more of a grammar and spelling Nazi ;)
That's great thank.. I'm not going to pretend I'm any good at grammar so please do go ahead..
I've corrected the above and will be uploaded tonight.
Thanks
Admiral Huddy
16-09-2008, 14:36
#removed#
Admiral Huddy
19-09-2008, 15:39
Ok I've uploaded the latest release.. I think it looks ok?
www.admiralcomputers.co.uk (http://www.admiralcomputers.co.uk)
Thanks Paul :)
Looks and works fine here in FF and IE6
Admiral Huddy
22-09-2008, 16:48
yay :)
at last fixed !
Just a quick thing I've noticed when you go from the front page to any of the menu options, the menu seems to move about 1mm to the left and up.
Me being finicky I know but it's something I noticed straight away and thought was annoying, sorry.
Using FF3.01 btw :)
Edit: Sorry being a pain again :) On the front page you always use "I" or "me" but then in your list of bullet points you put "Qualified Technicians" also under the banner heading you use "Specialists". Wouldn't it be better to either go singular or plural but not both.
Also the link to your question time area is practically impossible to see and on my monitor the page only covers the left half of the screen.
I'll have another look later.
Admiral Huddy
23-09-2008, 08:52
Blimmy, you have good eye sight :)
All noted and will be changed :)
Welcome to the world of browser compatibility - it's a bitch. Firefox is a very standards compliant browser and a pleasure to develop for. Chrome/Safari and a Opera aren't far behind either, infact it's rare they need anything more than a quick change.
IE6 and 7 are the culprits, they have such a stupid interpretation of CSS it drives me up the wall. The sooner IE is pushed out the park the better.
Blighter
23-09-2008, 23:51
Welcome to the world of browser compatibility - it's a bitch. Firefox is a very standards compliant browser and a pleasure to develop for. Chrome/Safari and a Opera aren't far behind either, infact it's rare they need anything more than a quick change.
IE6 and 7 are the culprits, they have such a stupid interpretation of CSS it drives me up the wall. The sooner IE is pushed out the park the better.
I know 110% what you mean :p
Just check out the funky menu issue on IE with http://www.thatsnotmyname.net... it's rendered fine in ANY other browser on ANY OS so far... APART FROM ****ING IE :p
Oh yes. I've been there. My site isn't as compliant as it could be, but at least it mostly works cross-browser, thanks to several CSS hacks. Change it at all and everything breaks, it seems.
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