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Arrgggggh! **breathe**
Okay, so I was at my friend over the weekend who happens to be a muslim. I saw the quran in one corner and my curiosity got the better of me, so I asked him if I can look at it. His response is that "You are not clean enough to touch the quran!"
I was like "wtf!" Now, if that was coming from someone of a different colour, it may be viewed as being subliminally racist. Anyway, I asked him why and he goes I am non-believer etc.
So I got into my debating mode and asked him if it was okay for me to have sex with his 13 year old sister. At first, he looked at me in a funny way like what the heck am I talking about....but I pressed forward to ask him the question again, and this time he said "No you cant" I asked him "Why?" He then went on to tell me it is sickening, disgusting blah blah blah.....Right there and then I told him how the man he believes in had sex with an 8year old and married her at 7.
He was shocked and told me am lying, but I pointed out the verse [surah] it was written in the quran and for him to check the story out.
What strikes me here is the fact how people will believe things and have faith they wont even bother to check out if it is the right path or even try to know a bit about it.
Anyway, seeing that the convo was gonna get out of hand, I made an excuse and left. He later text me saying his faith is shaken and he is confused about his belief. I dunno if this is a trick to get me back to his place, so he can stab me or something, but I aint going back there.;D
Just a bit of a rant I guess...
They are not going to recruit many more members if they wont let non believers touch their holy book :/
On a similar religion note, I was in a silly mood last night and e mailed a complaint off to our local rag about this article:
http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=edponline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED22%20Oct%202008%2009%3A12%3A31%3A557
They have capitalized all religions in there except from Pagan, so I told them off, lol. They'll be round here with the ducking stool in a few hours.
cleanbluesky
23-10-2008, 15:48
Nice one, I think we should stick your question on the side of buses.
They have capitalised all religions in there except from Pagan, so I told them off, lol. They'll be round here with the ducking stool in a few hours.
Heh well done :D
Nice one, I think we should stick your question on the side of buses.
Britain will boil in brim and sulphur of Allah and the streets will be paved with the blood, bones and guts of unbelievers. I don't think I will want this country to go down that path.;D
CBS on a more serious note. I some how feel Muslims are the new Blacks/Ethnic minority. WTF am I talking about I hear you say? Here, let me explain. rewind some years back and the ethnic minority [imo] are treated like demi-gods and their right sort respected in some ways than the majority. Back then people are afraid the take the mick of ethnicc minority so as not to be perceived as being racist etc and to avoid confrontation etc. But now, things have changed a lot imo.
I think people are afraid of Muslims/Islam, I wonder if people will eventually come out against it and wont be afraid to speak how the feel without the fear of a jihad, persecution or some terrorist violence being directed at such people who speak out against it.
They are not going to recruit many more members if they wont let non believers touch their holy book :.
Simple common sense, but they obviously do not see so. Iirc, there loads of things a non-muslim is not allowed to do in islam - One cannot touch the dead body of a Muslim, if one is not a Muslim.
On a similar religion note, I was in a silly mood last night and e mailed a complaint off to our local rag about this article:
http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=edponline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED22%20Oct%202008%2009%3A12%3A31%3A557
They have capitalized all religions in there except from Pagan, so I told them off, lol. They'll be round here with the ducking stool in a few hours.
Last time I checked "pagan" wasn't a religion, Wicca, Asatru, Druidry, sure, but pagan is just an umbrella term and in the article they are using it in the adjective sense meaning not Christian, Jewish or Muslim. So actually the non capitalisation is correct.
Last time I checked it was :)
And sorry El, I wouldn't have posted my stuff in here about the complain if I knew you wanted it to be in serious discussion :)
And sorry El, I wouldn't have posted my stuff in here about the complain if I knew you wanted it to be in serious discussion :)
No need, am cool. I posted in GD thinking it was suited more there, but the Mod appears to disagree.:)
/Satirical Boasting mode on
I'm from the streets of SPS, I am used to all kinds of things be posted on a forum.;)
/off.
Last time I checked it was :)
No really, it might just be semantics but there is no religion called "Pagan", there are however pagan religions. To self identify as a Pagan (capitalised as a demonym) is more an exclusionary term saying what you're not as given the differences between, for example; Wicca and Asatru, just saying you're pagan doesn't indicate what you do believe.
In the article you give they use the word pagan twice, in both cases in the adjective form which, as I said before, is correct being uncapitalised.
A follower of the "Old Religion".
A follower of the "Old Religion".
Cthulhu is the true master
LeperousDust
27-10-2008, 01:44
Nice one, I think we should stick your question on the side of buses.
cbs in non caps lock funny shocker, you worn that out yet :p?
Anyway, the guy first off doesn't sound much like your friend, second sounds all too stereotypically familiar, like most people with "blind faith" in things. I personally like to think for myself, but this doesn't mean i can't learn from other religions, faiths or ways to live our lives :)
In Custody we hava a "Diversity Box", it contains several Holy Bibles, Qu'urans, the Bhagavad Gita, prayer mats etc.
We have to keep the Qu'urans wrapped up in plastic bags and hand them to prisoners so they take it out the bag, just so us unbelievers don't soil the holy book with our infidel hands.
Of course when they leave, we pick it up and stick it back in the bag ;)
Matblack
27-10-2008, 11:06
In Custody we hava a "Diversity Box", it contains several Holy Bibles, Qu'urans, the Bhagavad Gita, prayer mats etc.
We have to keep the Qu'urans wrapped up in plastic bags and hand them to prisoners so they take it out the bag, just so us unbelievers don't soil the holy book with our infidel hands.
Of course when they leave, we pick it up and stick it back in the bag ;)
Hmmmmm, I think that provokes and interesting point.
It seems to me that religion can be (notice I didn't say is) down to being seen to do the right things rather than actually doing the right things. In my mind religion shouldn't be about practicing the religion to the letter of the law it should be about being a better person.
As a non believer I suspect that religion was invented to keep people in line, in most holy books the principals are that everyone should be nice to one another, if you can make people scared that if they aren't nice to one another that something bad will happen then this makes them more likely to conform.
Take these examples:
a) I tell you that if you steal I will hit you until you bleed
b) I explain to you that if you steal that someone else is liekly to suffer as a consiquence and 'that wouldn't be very nice now would it?'
Which one are you more likely to pay attention to?
Religion holds the biggest stick available, that if you are bad that you will burn for eternity and if you do what you are told you will go to heaven and get handjobs of virgins etc etc. In comparison to what rewards or punishments are available on earth these are massive incentives.
The issue as I see it is that people follow the letter of the law but don't practice what they learn outside of the religious environment, take Roman Catholicism for example, they have distilled the message to a point where you can effectively do what you bloody well like as long as you say sorry, where as 99% of the bible is designed to encorage people to do the right thing, they take the 1% which says you can do what you like as long as you apologise before you die. Your Islamist will ignore 99.99% of the Qur'an and concentrate on the bits which were written in to provoke a particular reaction at a particularly bad time for the muslim people.
I my book, The Book of Matblack 1:1 it says be a better person, don't follow rituals for the sake of it, whatever your holy book, if a disabled person needs to get a wheelchair up a step then don't be afraid to use the book to make a ramp because its better to be a better person than proclaim you are because of you have religion.
The whole Qur'an hand washing thing was probably relevant at a time when people were working in fields wiith muddy hands and books were massively expensive objects which should only be touched by a physically clean scholar but where it is the relevance now. Forget ritual and read your books as fables designed to provoke thought not manuals designed to be followed like cattle.
MB
LeperousDust
27-10-2008, 12:58
MB i agree 100% (i think) with everything you've just said, i've always seen religion as a clever way to keep the rabble at bay in years gone by. Whereas now it seems over analysed and taken to depths it probably wasn't intended for...
The thing with the quran, and the bible and other holy books i guess too, is it probably covers every ideal and answer you want to any question depending on how you read it. So I'm not convinced its always great rule book per se.
semi-pro waster
27-10-2008, 19:26
I suppose the most succinct way to express my views on religion would be to say 'feel free to believe in whatever you like, just be sure to allow others to do the same'. Your right to do whatever extends only as far as it takes to not unnecessarily impinge on the rights of another (cue three pages on the definition of unnecessary in this context).
Religion itself is neither terrible nor is it great, it is (or should be as Mat alluded to above) a incentive to better oneself and hopefully the lives of those around you, it is however unfortunate that such a powerful force has so often been used to justify or excuse evil acts.
@MB and Fayshun
It is a long running jokes among people in Nigeria that Islam is like a plate that is clean on the outside but dirty and nasty on the inside.
If you look at some of the "cleanness rituals" then compare to how their real life principles are you will be disgusted.
AboveTheSalt
30-10-2008, 22:31
It is a long running jokes among people in Nigeria that Islam is like a plate that is clean on the outside but dirty and nasty on the inside.They have plates with an "inside" and an "outside" in Nigeria then do they?
Hmmmmm, I think that provokes and interesting point.
It seems to me that religion can be (notice I didn't say is) down to being seen to do the right things rather than actually doing the right things. In my mind religion shouldn't be about practicing the religion to the letter of the law it should be about being a better person.
As a non believer I suspect that religion was invented to keep people in line, in most holy books the principals are that everyone should be nice to one another, if you can make people scared that if they aren't nice to one another that something bad will happen then this makes them more likely to conform.
Take these examples:
a) I tell you that if you steal I will hit you until you bleed
b) I explain to you that if you steal that someone else is liekly to suffer as a consiquence and 'that wouldn't be very nice now would it?'
Which one are you more likely to pay attention to?
Religion holds the biggest stick available, that if you are bad that you will burn for eternity and if you do what you are told you will go to heaven and get handjobs of virgins etc etc. In comparison to what rewards or punishments are available on earth these are massive incentives.
MB
I see where you are coming form, but you should stop thinking of religion purely in terms of Christianity/Islam. Hell in the way your portray it above is pretty much a Christian invention which the Muslims went along with.
Judaism doesn't have a concept of a place of eternal punishment, nor do The Germanic Polytheist religions, although in their case the place you went to depended on which particular god may have a preference for you and/or how you died. Also worth noting that the compulsion to "be nice" only really extended to your kindred.
I don't think that Christianity and Islam try and scare people into believing for control reasons (although that's probably an appreciated side effect) but when you have a religion that claims exclusivity, which both do, you need numbers to support you, and one of the best ways to do that is scare people into believing/following.
Although they are all called Abrahamic faiths, IMO, Islam and Christianity are a pretty long way theologically from Judaism.
They have plates with an "inside" and an "outside" in Nigeria then do they?
You ****tard. It is a literal translation. Not everything translate well into English you see.
Treefrog
23-08-2009, 01:29
Only just seen this thread but had to ask - who has seen "Zeitgeist the movie"? Specifically the first third of it?
Watch online here (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/) if interested.
What strikes me here is the fact how people will believe things and have faith they wont even bother to check out if it is the right path or even try to know a bit about it.
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Totally agree. It's just like CoE and catholic has a whole. I mean most people don't even understand where the bible has come from and how much it has been messed about with. I mean the bible was put together by a Roman emperor who wasn't trying to preserve the word, but make sure anything which could lead to people uprising was taken out.
Totally agree. It's just like CoE and catholic has a whole. I mean most people don't even understand where the bible has come from and how much it has been messed about with. I mean the bible was put together by a Roman emperor who wasn't trying to preserve the word, but make sure anything which could lead to people uprising was taken out.
The Bible isn't one document, but a series of books that have existed for along time. The majority of it (the Old Testament) was around and collated long before the Roman Empire was barely even a glint in someones eye. The books of the Old Testament cover a time period roughly from the 12th Century BC through to the 2nd Century BC. The Roman Republic that preceded the Empire didn't even conquer Judea until the 1st Century BC, by which stage the "Books of Moses, the laws and the prophets" such as it was, was already firmly established.
Your argument at best can only pertain to the New Testament, but is far, far from the truth. You're taking the basic premise that the New Testament came to exist in a single act of collation which just isn't true. There have been numerous books added to the New Testament primarily during the first millenium AD, way beyond the influence of any Roman Emperor. A lot of the New Testament is formed out of groups of books or letters that were already in major circulation amongst the Christian church, letters and books that the Roman Emperor would have had little or no control over the circulation of. The Canonisation and collation of such texts was little more than various bishop councils saying "oh yeah, we use that".
Nope, I'm well aware that it is very old and a collection. However most bibles are based around the Romans which they decided which books would be included and which would not .
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