Justice ?

[Von Smallhausen]

David Bieber, who killed Pc Ian Broadhurst in cold blood in 2003 and shot two of his colleagues has won an appeal to have his sentence reduced from a whole life term to a minimum of 37 years.

Personally ? I am sickened by it. To murder a police officer while he pleaded for his life after being shot sickens me to to the core and in my world the bastard would have swung from a rope and keyboard aside, I would have pulled the lever myself.

Although 37 years is a long time it still leaves the possibility that he may have liberty at some point and that is something I can never accept.

You can shoot a police officer dead, shoot two others then argue that a whole life term is contravening article 3 of the Human Rights Act on degrading and inhuman punishment ? I despair.

I think Ian Broadhurst will be spinning in his grave and Pcs' Neil Roper and James Banks will feel subtantially more sickened than I am.

This is one of many decisions that are really testing my committment to the job and why I am looking to get out and change career.

BBC News.

[leowyatt]

Von the only solution is a bullet to the back of the head. Why should we keep that scumbag alive? Waste of money and resources.

[loki]

It just shows how screwed the justice system is. Anyoen who committed such a terrible crime should be punished and be made to repay his debt to society. Imprisoning for life or taking it one step further, capital punishment does nothing to redress the balance.

Out of interest what job do you do Von ?

[Von Smallhausen]

Originally Posted by loki

Out of interest what job do you do Von ?

Copper.

[Chuckles]

Originally Posted by leowyatt

Von the only solution is a bullet to the back of the head. Why should we keep that scumbag alive? Waste of money and resources.

Because society has no more right to end human life than criminals.

[leowyatt]

Originally Posted by starscream

Because society has no more right to end human life than criminals.

sorry his right to life was forfeit when he murdered that other person.

[iCraig]

Originally Posted by leowyatt

sorry his right to life was forfeit when he murdered that other person.

Personally, I still don't agree with capital punishment. I can totally see why people call for it in cases such as this. When a cold blooded killer takes a life on purpose, they should have the same done back. However, I'm glad it doesn't get done. Not because the guy doesn't deserve it, but I don't trust anybody, including the state, to have the power to legally end lives at their judgement. It's playing God and nobody should be given the ability to end life. Some people like David Bieber take the ability, and as so, should be removed from society, but not killed in return IMO. I'd like to think society is better than that.

[leowyatt]

Originally Posted by iCraig

so, should be removed from society, but not killed in return IMO

What do we do with them then?? medical testing?

[Mark]

Originally Posted by leowyatt

sorry his right to life was forfeit when he murdered that other person.

Are you sure? That smacks to me of the sort of eye for an eye revenge killing that gangs perpetrate on each other. There are valid reasons for killing another, but revenge killing isn't one of them.

As for the original case, I don't know all the circumstances and as such rely on those who do to make the right decision - and that doesn't necessarily mean the popular decision. All too often though it seems they are unable or incapable of doing that.

[leowyatt]

Originally Posted by Mark

Are you sure? That smacks to me of the sort of eye for an eye revenge killing that gangs perpetrate on each other. There are valid reasons for killing another, but revenge killing isn't one of them.

Yes Mark I'm perfectly sure. I think society is now too soft. Where is the real deterrant for what he did? Yes he'll be in prison for the next 37 years, boohoo, his life goes on. What about the police officer's family? I tell you what if someone murdered a family member or friend I'd want the bastard who did it in the ground, by my hand or someone else's I couldn't care who.