iPhone4

[Matblack]

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/?cid=...962-2962&sr=em

Lots of info here, the WDC totally passed me by this year, a lot of this stuff we already new because of the chap who lost his phone but the new OS looks good and certainly seems to have a lot of the things people have been asking for

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[Belmit]

I was considering pre-ordering but will probably wait until I can find out how to keep my current PAYG number etc. Haven't yet researched but I assume the new one takes the micro SIM as rumoured with the earlier leak.

[Joe 90]

I think i'll get one. 24th... not long to wait. I'm eagerly awaiting the news from O2 - I'm still contracted for a year so can accept the longer contract period without much trouble at the moment.

and this looks like it'll help cover costs without bothering with ebay - http://www.o2recycle.co.uk/phoneSele...p?phoneID=2441

[Desmo]

Can't say I'm bothered myself. The new phone looks great but doesn't really bring any amazing features that make me want to upgrade, even if I had the spare money.

[Glaucus]

Originally Posted by Desmo

Can't say I'm bothered myself. The new phone looks great but doesn't really bring any amazing features that make me want to upgrade, even if I had the spare money.

This, seems totally pointless if you allready have an Iphone. Unless you are one of the minority who uses video calling.

Originally Posted by Knipples

I am registering interest, which considering i've always been against getting an iphone is quite a big step for me. .

Go for it, after both our dismal displays of buying phones last time. I can''t praise the iphone enough. it is simply awesome and other phones are only just catching up.

[Garp]

Originally Posted by AcidHell2

This, seems totally pointless if you allready have an Iphone. Unless you are one of the minority who uses video calling.

'cept it's iPhone 4 <-> iPhone 4 only. So you can only video-phone people that already have one and only over Wifi, not 3G.
It's funny because my old W880i that finally died a death recently had a front facing camera that enabled me to make video calls over 3G if I wanted to (not that I ever did, even when I was phoning people I knew who could do video calls). My gut is telling me it's AT&T that's screwing Apple with the wifi only restriction.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Garp

'cept it's iPhone 4 <-> iPhone 4 only. So you can only video-phone people that already have one and only over Wifi, not 3G.
It's funny because my old W880i that finally died a death recently had a front facing camera that enabled me to make video calls over 3G if I wanted to (not that I ever did, even when I was phoning people I knew who could do video calls). My gut is telling me it's AT&T that's screwing Apple with the wifi only restriction.

That's a shame, but I do use skype on my iphone a lot so if it supports the camera it'll be amazing!

[divine]

Originally Posted by Garp

My gut is telling me it's AT&T that's screwing Apple with the wifi only restriction.

What's screwing them is the fact it takes a huge amount of bandwidth so you can either have 3G enabled but ultimately poor quality video or you can have nice high quality awesome video but only via WiFi.

Until mobile networks can effectively carry that much video, it's a problem that can't be got round effectively.

[Garp]

Originally Posted by divine

What's screwing them is the fact it takes a huge amount of bandwidth so you can either have 3G enabled but ultimately poor quality video or you can have nice high quality awesome video but only via WiFi.

Until mobile networks can effectively carry that much video, it's a problem that can't be got round effectively.

Sure, but there is nothing to stop Apple / AT&T offering it in both modes, with the caveat that 3G won't compete with wireless for video quality.

AT&T consistently blocks any technology that might result in increased data load. Whilst most of the rest of the world got tethering, it's still not available here, and evidence has come up which suggests AT&T delayed it ever reaching end users. It should be finally hitting the US market at the end of the month when OS4.0 comes out. Oh, and it'll set you back an additional $20 a month too (on top of your data plan without increasing your limits.. but surely data is data regardless of how it's downloaded?)
AT&T is still only slowly realising that they're a data provider, not a voice communication provider, hence VOIP apps were blocked, only allowing them late last year. In the UK "3" were fairly pioneering in their view of themselves a data provider, and it added pressure to the other providers to begin to alter their approach to their networks. That's just not happened here, until fairly recently. (Verizon's recent adverts have helped hammer home the point)

MMS is another prime example, arriving late last year rather than with the OS3.0 upgrade, and evidence points to it being AT&T that caused it to be delayed until OS3.0.

It continues to baffle pundits why Apple remains with AT&T when they have to make so many compromises for abilities. The main conclusion most have is that AT&T give Apple a very nice amount of cash for each new subscriber who has an iPhone.

AT&T also just completely overhauled their data plans, ditching "unlimited" and dropping most people onto a 2Gb plan. That's not bad, but when a number of the new advertised are high bandwidth things, like Netflix, and with an increase in streaming apps, it's almost entirely shackling it here. At least in the UK you have a choice of providers!

[Davey_Pitch]

I really like the look of the phone, and the higher resolution screen looks great, especially for watching films (something I do quite often), but I imagine the PAYG cost of buying the phone will be just far too high to consider getting it now. I do like the look of the new OS though, looking forward to installing that on the 21st and giving it a whirl.