Theres liberal and theres taking the piss

[Matblack]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6209626.stm

Two and a half years for manslaughter? Sounded more like murder to me but even so two and a half years is a piss take

MB

[Fayshun]

*shakes head in disbelief*

[Haly]

I read that earlier. It is disgusting :/

The other day I was reading about a school a few miles from where I grew up (Piggy's school in fact ) that got burned down by some kids, the kids got 6 years for it which I thought was a bit harsh considering no one got hurt as the buildings were empty, and the area got a nice, brand new school out of it. I said to my Mum on the phone how you get less than that for rape. Seems you get less than that for killing someone too

[Roberta]

Originally Posted by Haly

I read that earlier. It is disgusting :/

The other day I was reading about a school a few miles from where I grew up (Piggy's school in fact ) that got burned down by some kids, the kids got 6 years for it which I thought was a bit harsh considering no one got hurt as the buildings were empty, and the area got a nice, brand new school out of it. I said to my Mum on the phone how you get less than that for rape. Seems you get less than that for killing someone too

That'd be Kai's school.

Harsh sentence but it was a bit more troublesome than just burning down a random building. Kai was off for 4 months because of it and luckily is only 14 so none of his exam work was destroyed like some of the older kids' was. Plus of course the kids weren't given anywhere else for schooling for several months which meant with both parents working as in my case Kai was left unattended during the hours I was in work. No problem for me as he's a good lad but some other kids got up to right mischief.

[Haly]

Originally Posted by Roberta

That'd be Kai's school.

Harsh sentence but it was a bit more troublesome than just burning down a random building. Kai was off for 4 months because of it and luckily is only 14 so none of his exam work was destroyed like some of the older kids' was. Plus of course the kids weren't given anywhere else for schooling for several months which meant with both parents working as in my case Kai was left unattended during the hours I was in work. No problem for me as he's a good lad but some other kids got up to right mischief.

Fair enough, I thought they'd provided other work elsewhere, only going from what the local paper was saying back then. 6 years still seems excessive imo though in comparison to other sentences.

[Roberta]

Originally Posted by Haly

Fair enough, I thought they'd provided other work elsewhere, only going from what the local paper was saying back then. 6 years still seems excessive imo though in comparison to other sentences.

Oh the sentence is bloody ridiculous alright!

No, the school still hasn't been built and the kids are still being taught in mobile buildings. School won't be finished for a year. Kai was left 4 months without placement.

[Haly]

Originally Posted by Roberta

Oh the sentence is bloody ridiculous alright!

No, the school still hasn't been built and the kids are still being taught in mobile buildings. School won't be finished for a year. Kai was left 4 months without placement.

Erk I thought it had been Then I apologise. Not been round that area in a while so didn't realise.
Mobile buildings suck, especially in Winter. Had most of my college lessons in them and they get bloody cold.

[Will]

Man-slaughter?! What? That's such a sad and anger filling report. I'm disgusted.

[Garp]

Originally Posted by Le Hoff

Man-slaughter?! What? That's such a sad and anger filling report. I'm disgusted.

By strict legal definitions it is Manslaughter.

Murder is pre-meditated, i.e. they had deliberately set out to kill him.

In this case he was, for want of a much more appropriate phrase, collateral damage, and that makes it Manslaughter.


edit: Slightly altered variant of Matt's message sent to my own MP.

[Von Smallhausen]

Originally Posted by Garp

By strict legal definitions it is Manslaughter.

Murder is pre-meditated, i.e. they had deliberately set out to kill him.

In this case he was, for want of a much more appropriate phrase, collateral damage, and that makes it Manslaughter.

Murder by law does not have to be pre-meditated in terms of killing but any prosecutor must be satisfied of an intent to kill or cause GBH. The intent to kill is not an absolute must for a Murder conviction as an intent to cause GBH is sufficient.

Reading the link ......

Witnesses described how 6ft tall Chambers then punched 5ft 1ins tall Mr Barnes. He fell to the pavement, his head hitting with "a hollow noise"

There is the assault, he has hit his head as a result and that could be argued as GBH.

The court heard Chambers shouted: "Get up and have some more. Get up you pussy. I knocked him clean out."

Not only has he assaulted him, caused him to hit his head and spark him and his life, out, he wants him to have some more.

I think the intent is there .......

Murder .. Manslaughter ... I would say that, legally, the definition of Murder has been satisfied, but wheeling and dealing, my client is sorry and a guilty plea for a reduction seems to be the case.

While I could be argued to be slightly biased, I have to ask is the life of a good man worth 2 and a half years ? Is that what is meant by justice ?

I don't give a **** what bullsh*t the brief spun in the court, but that sentence is an absolute affrontery to justice and no deterrent in the slightest to try to curtail such thuggery which is rife amongst young wannabes'.

What should have happened is slamming the bastard with a minimum 10 year sentence to give him plenty of time to think and give the public a break from him as he is clearly a danger to them.

Only one person has benefitted from this and that is the lad convicted because sure as **** the justice system and more importantly the victim and his family have not.