Poker discussion thread...

[Grandad]

oh and just to add trapping is a great tool in a STT when the players have not had time to get a handle on you

[killerkebab]

Trapping?

[Grandad]

simple scenario

you raise with AJ from early position and get a call

flop come AQ4

you check ( this may happen after any street ) , player bets , you the reraise thus increasing the size of the pot where you are favourite when a initial raise may have induced a fold

traps can be much more complex in reality though

the above is also an example of a check/raise which is trapping in its simplist form

[Grandad]

here is a more complex trap

you are on SB with 95 and it is checked to you ( 3 other players ) , you call

flop is 555


now 3 players with 2 live cards each gives approx a 75% chance that one will hit a full house

you are first to act so check, a big bet will scare others off ( maybe with exception fo a abig pair )

others probably check




same happens on the turn

on the river you are first to act and the pot is 400

a bet of 600-800 indictes strength

200-300 will give the impression of trapping

1500-2000 looks like a steal and a player wih a FH will prbably call or raise

then again a clever player may see 200 as a double bluff and walk right intoi the trap so that is an option too depending on your perception of the other players

hope this makes snese as I have had a few

[killerkebab]

Jesus christ! Just had a scary hand...
Decided to play another tournament. Once again bleeding chips (6 players left, my stack hasn't changed much from the 1000 it started with) and I get dealt AA

Don't want to scare people out of it so I decide to call BB. Flop goes 2J5 rainbow. Made a small BB bet to test waters (I was first), everyone does a call. Turn is 4H (all suits are down, no flush here) but I start to worry someone may have a straight draw so I make another small bet.

One player raised, so I reraised him, only for him to go all-in. I call. He turns over 22 (ouch ). River comes down... its an ACE

First hand I've won tonight... and it doubled my stack

Originally Posted by Grandad

here is a more complex trap

you are on SB with 95 and it is checked to you ( 3 other players ) , you call

flop is 555


now 3 players with 2 live cards each gives approx a 75% chance that one will hit a full house

you are first to act so check, a big bet will scare others off ( maybe with exception fo a abig pair )

others probably check




same happens on the turn

on the river you are first to act and the pot is 400

a bet of 600-800 indictes strength

200-300 will give the impression of trapping

1500-2000 looks like a steal and a player wih a FH will prbably call or raise

then again a clever player may see 200 as a double bluff and walk right intoi the trap so that is an option too depending on your perception of the other players

hope this makes snese as I have had a few

All that sounds like is that no matter what you do, the other guy might think at least three different things and we're back to the whole 'luck' element

[Grandad]

sorry, was hammered when I typed that, will try and do a more coherent version later

[Grandad]

Played in the regional finals of poker down the pub today

came 12th out of 101 , didn't play well tbh but had a fun day anyway

[Davey_Pitch]

Originally Posted by killerkebab

Every time the flop came down I thought I was right to fold because whoever won the pot had better than I did (had I stayed in long enough to see the flop, if that makes sense).

Try not to think like that. You can only make judgments based on the cards you have and what you can see on the board (if anything at all). If you drop a certain hand because you think it'll lose, and then you find out it's the winner, you may be more inclined to play it again in another game even though the correct decision was to fold.

Always remember you can't lose what you don't bet, so if you feel the smart play is to fold, then do it, and don't regret it no matter how the cards turn out. If you're playing against several people then there's likely someone else who folded who could have beaten you anyway

[Stan_Lite]

I agree with Davey. Also, bear in mind you don't have to have the best hand to win the pot. If you can make the other players think you have a better hand than them and make them fold, you win - regardless of what you have in your hand. It can be dangerous but it's extremely satisfying when it works

[Grandad]

Originally Posted by Davey_Pitch

Try not to think like that. You can only make judgments based on the cards you have and what you can see on the board ()

and of course the actions and playing styles of the others not forgetting the all importany matter of position too