So, new macbooks. - Page 4

SidewinderINC · 18-10-2008, 14:13

Text message I just received from Divine

Quote:

Oh. My. God. New macbooks are sexual as ****. Touchpad is Awesome. 800 for base spec and a free ipod nano. I really shouldn't go into that shop..."

Quite different to his other posts in this thread

divine · 18-10-2008, 15:46

LOL! They are very very nice and the touch pad works far far better than I expected, you can also pretty much just use it as an old style buttoned one if you want... The build is good though I'm not convinced the whole alu machining was needed on the plain MacBook. I'll type more when I'm back on a PC not my iPod

divine · 18-10-2008, 19:26

Copy and Paste from another forum, so apologies if it seems a bit of a repeat of the previous post.

While I was in town today, I made a stop off at the Apple store to have a looksee.

My word they are nice. The touchpad is very very good. I don't get on with touchpads as a rule, they're often too small, have odd 'sections' etc. but this was sublime, the movement seemed much smoother than anything i've used before and the 'no button' thing has been implemented really well. If you want, you can effectively use it as if it did have buttons, just press down on the pad at the bottom and move with the rest, or, actually press and drag with just one finger for example. It was very intuitive, i was highly impressed with it.

As for the build, that too seems excellent, the laptop is very light but very sturdy feeling. However, i'm not entirely convinced that it was something that the MacBook line needed. MBP by all means but I think it just adds needless expense to the base model MacBooks. It does undoubtedly feel a lot more 'expensive' than any other laptop i've used though, it oozes quality.

The screen seemed ok under the shop lighting, not sure how it would fair outside still but that's not something i'd be able to test unless I buy one.

Which I am, currently, incredibly tempted to do. £810 with HE discount, plus an iPod Nano which I could then flog for £60 or so, bringing the price down further and seemingly £60 back on an £80 printer, which could be handy as I need a new printer anyway.

Argh. That shop does evil things to me.

leowyatt · 18-10-2008, 19:39

Hahah do we need to quote your first post then??

just to humiliate you???

divine · 18-10-2008, 19:42

This is what tears me.

They're brilliant. But I can't get away from the fact I can get a laptop that will piss all over it from a great height performance wise for less money. That and the fact the old replaced models were faster and cheaper.

Kinda like buying a small engined BMW 7 series over an M3. The 7 would be far more luxurious but there is no getting away from the fact the M3 is cheaper and outperforms it massively. It's a case of which I want.

Though, this entire thing is stupid because I didn't even want a laptop. I don't need one.

JUMPURS · 18-10-2008, 20:00

I'll need to see the new ones in person.
TBH i think they look horrid. I love my MBP and i have a trackpad that has the macbook air trackpad on it, so i get a lot of gestures. Dunno if the new pad will be much better.

Missus wont let me go to the Apple store though

Streeteh · 18-10-2008, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by divine

This is what tears me.

They're brilliant. But I can't get away from the fact I can get a laptop that will piss all over it from a great height performance wise for less money. That and the fact the old replaced models were faster and cheaper.

Kinda like buying a small engined BMW 7 series over an M3. The 7 would be far more luxurious but there is no getting away from the fact the M3 is cheaper and outperforms it massively. It's a case of which I want.

When it comes to macs you are paying for more than the hardware tbh, the operating system is one of its best selling points and loads of people love the apple 'look'.

However these days you can install OSX on most core2duo/quad systems with very little effort, the extra premium you pay for an apple computer/laptop is beginning to become a little difficult to justify in my eyes. However saying that i've recently helped three of my friends choose a laptop/desktop two of those wanted macs so clearly the appeal is still very strong.

I just found it rather astounding that the PC i spec'd (and will be building soon) for the third guy is going to cost £400 for the base unit, yet utterly blows away the £1400 iMac one of the girls has opted for in terms of performance. On the same budget that would have left him with £1000 to buy a monitor (or HDTV?), speakers etc etc which is a rather comfortable sum to play with.

Not slagging off Macs in any way btw, i think now though that people are beginning to learn how to install OSX on PCs Mac may have to adjust their pricing in the future due to many (including myself) viewing OSX as the big selling point of a Mac and partly being responsible for the premium you pay.

Totally off topic, sorry, i also want to stress i have nothing against Macs.

leowyatt · 18-10-2008, 20:12

One of our own installed and use OSX on non-mac hardware and he became thoroughly frustrated with having to mess around with stuff when an update came along. I have to agree with what you said about the OS though for me it is excellent and rounds off the system perfectly.

I am a Mac fan as most of people here know

but for me I'm happier to pay slightly more for the mac which will work with no fuss and if I have a problem I can get it sorted easily.

JUMPURS · 18-10-2008, 20:42

I've never heard a mac owner say 'i had to leave my machine on defragging over night' or 'oh it's been 6 months and the machine was running like a dog so i done a clean install' or 'i done a spyware scan and it came up with 4000

(seen more than that in home users PC brought into work)

My gf's machine runs spot on and it hasn't been reinstalled for about 12 months. Mines i got in Jan feb and still as quick as the day i bought it. Whereas my windows laptop i ended up reinstalling every so often just to speed it up.

/Waits on APoL

divine · 18-10-2008, 21:40

The trouble with Windows in that sense J, is that so many people use it, MS inevitably leave someone out when they make a decision. You mention defragging for example.

In Vista they tried to remedy that by having it constantly slowly defragging in the background, which I suspect is basically what MacOSX does but the first thing any Windows user who knows a little bit about computers does is moan and turn it straight back off.

I honestly think a lot more of the premium is peoples willingness to pay for the looks and the image though, rather than any specific benefits MacOSX provides. I'd guess if you asked most 'new' Apple customers why they went for Macs, that MacOS itself wouldn't be the largest factor.

18-10-2008, 15:46	#32
divine Moonshine Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 3,201	LOL! They are very very nice and the touch pad works far far better than I expected, you can also pretty much just use it as an old style buttoned one if you want... The build is good though I'm not convinced the whole alu machining was needed on the plain MacBook. I'll type more when I'm back on a PC not my iPod __________________

18-10-2008, 19:26	#33
divine Moonshine Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 3,201	Copy and Paste from another forum, so apologies if it seems a bit of a repeat of the previous post. While I was in town today, I made a stop off at the Apple store to have a looksee. My word they are nice. The touchpad is very very good. I don't get on with touchpads as a rule, they're often too small, have odd 'sections' etc. but this was sublime, the movement seemed much smoother than anything i've used before and the 'no button' thing has been implemented really well. If you want, you can effectively use it as if it did have buttons, just press down on the pad at the bottom and move with the rest, or, actually press and drag with just one finger for example. It was very intuitive, i was highly impressed with it. As for the build, that too seems excellent, the laptop is very light but very sturdy feeling. However, i'm not entirely convinced that it was something that the MacBook line needed. MBP by all means but I think it just adds needless expense to the base model MacBooks. It does undoubtedly feel a lot more 'expensive' than any other laptop i've used though, it oozes quality. The screen seemed ok under the shop lighting, not sure how it would fair outside still but that's not something i'd be able to test unless I buy one. Which I am, currently, incredibly tempted to do. £810 with HE discount, plus an iPod Nano which I could then flog for £60 or so, bringing the price down further and seemingly £60 back on an £80 printer, which could be handy as I need a new printer anyway. Argh. That shop does evil things to me. __________________

18-10-2008, 19:39	#34
leowyatt Chef extraordinaire Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Infinite Loop Posts: 11,143	Hahah do we need to quote your first post then?? just to humiliate you??? __________________ "Dr Sheldon Cooper FTW!"

18-10-2008, 19:42	#35
divine Moonshine Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 3,201	This is what tears me. They're brilliant. But I can't get away from the fact I can get a laptop that will piss all over it from a great height performance wise for less money. That and the fact the old replaced models were faster and cheaper. Kinda like buying a small engined BMW 7 series over an M3. The 7 would be far more luxurious but there is no getting away from the fact the M3 is cheaper and outperforms it massively. It's a case of which I want. Though, this entire thing is stupid because I didn't even want a laptop. I don't need one. __________________

18-10-2008, 20:00	#36
JUMPURS Columbian Coffee Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Glesgae Posts: 98	I'll need to see the new ones in person. TBH i think they look horrid. I love my MBP and i have a trackpad that has the macbook air trackpad on it, so i get a lot of gestures. Dunno if the new pad will be much better. Missus wont let me go to the Apple store though __________________ You have come here because society has no further use for you. This place will now become your holding pen until our death. I am very good at this business because I make all the rules. But if you break any of my rules, you will find that there is life after death.

18-10-2008, 20:12	#38
leowyatt Chef extraordinaire Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Infinite Loop Posts: 11,143	One of our own installed and use OSX on non-mac hardware and he became thoroughly frustrated with having to mess around with stuff when an update came along. I have to agree with what you said about the OS though for me it is excellent and rounds off the system perfectly. I am a Mac fan as most of people here know but for me I'm happier to pay slightly more for the mac which will work with no fuss and if I have a problem I can get it sorted easily. __________________ "Dr Sheldon Cooper FTW!"

18-10-2008, 20:42	#39
JUMPURS Columbian Coffee Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Glesgae Posts: 98	I've never heard a mac owner say 'i had to leave my machine on defragging over night' or 'oh it's been 6 months and the machine was running like a dog so i done a clean install' or 'i done a spyware scan and it came up with 4000 (seen more than that in home users PC brought into work) My gf's machine runs spot on and it hasn't been reinstalled for about 12 months. Mines i got in Jan feb and still as quick as the day i bought it. Whereas my windows laptop i ended up reinstalling every so often just to speed it up. /Waits on APoL __________________ You have come here because society has no further use for you. This place will now become your holding pen until our death. I am very good at this business because I make all the rules. But if you break any of my rules, you will find that there is life after death.

18-10-2008, 21:40	#40
divine Moonshine Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 3,201	The trouble with Windows in that sense J, is that so many people use it, MS inevitably leave someone out when they make a decision. You mention defragging for example. In Vista they tried to remedy that by having it constantly slowly defragging in the background, which I suspect is basically what MacOSX does but the first thing any Windows user who knows a little bit about computers does is moan and turn it straight back off. I honestly think a lot more of the premium is peoples willingness to pay for the looks and the image though, rather than any specific benefits MacOSX provides. I'd guess if you asked most 'new' Apple customers why they went for Macs, that MacOS itself wouldn't be the largest factor. __________________

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