RAGGGGggeeee!!!!!

[petemc]

Oh noes a sarcastic response to my sarcasm. That'll teach me to market the idea of whizborts

I dunno though. Without the Facebook campaign Joe would surely have won as with previous years. He didn't. The man has been stucked to. Ok so its not exactly going to solve the global warming issue or immigration or help us find Osama's bin lid but for one day at least someone else made a difference at Xmas.

[Glaucus]

If you followed any of the facebook groups. Most people liked the song and have done for years. Very very few people said they purchased it even though they disliked it.
RATM are one of those universally liked bands. If you like metal/rock you will almost certainly like RATM and is played in such clubs on a weekly basis.
You will always get hangers on, but I would say the majority do actually like the song.

even those bookies like it despite losing £1million between them. As bets for x-mas number one over the last few years has been non existent. They are hopping, like most of the music industry that next year, serious contenders will release that week, there's a good chance someone will after this year.

[petemc]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...st-the-machine

[Jingo]

I love the idea of there being 5 or even 10 artists that hold back and all compete for the Christmas Number 1!

[Tak]

Originally Posted by petemc

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...st-the-machine

it'll be precisely the shot in the arm the charts have been sorely lacking the last few years: something that puts a genuine smile on the face of millions of people; sensitive people, thoughtful people; people alienated by the stifling cloud of grinning mechanical pap farted into their faces on a weekly basis by cocky, clattering, calculating talent shows such as X Factor.

It would give these people hope. Maybe only in a very small and silly way, but still: a tiny spoonful of hope. And what could be more Christmassy than that?

[Stan_Lite]

Originally Posted by petemc

Oh noes a sarcastic response to my sarcasm. That'll teach me to market the idea of whizborts

Your irony detector is functioning then

In that case, the irony of half a million people buying a record because it has been hyped in order to topple another record that has been hyped won't have escaped you.

Originally Posted by AcidHell2

If you followed any of the facebook groups. Most people liked the song and have done for years. Very very few people said they purchased it even though they disliked it.

How many of the 500,000 people who bought the song posted in these groups? Do you think the Facebook groups are representative of everybody who bought the track?

Originally Posted by AcidHell2

RATM are one of those universally liked bands. If you like metal/rock you will almost certainly like RATM and is played in such clubs on a weekly basis.

That's a relatively niche market though. There are many more people who, under normal circumstances, will buy mainstream stuff like the X Factor acts. The fact remains that this weeks chart has been synthetically manipulated and is in no way representative of normal buying patterns.

Originally Posted by AcidHell2

even those bookies like it despite losing £1million between them. As bets for x-mas number one over the last few years has been non existent. They are hopping, like most of the music industry that next year, serious contenders will release that week, there's a good chance someone will after this year.

I would be absolutely delighted if this result encouraged artists to release more palatable music and encouraged more people to buy good music. Sadly, I don't hold out much hope. The people who buy music in the quantities that affect the charts like to buy the bland crooning churned out by X Factor type artists. I fear things won't change in a hurry.

Originally Posted by Will

Come on though Stan, would you rather listen to a pretty boy, slightly camp, with an average voice singing a **** song, or a decent band that you can shake your head to?

Having listened to both songs once, I have no particular desire to listen to either again

[Glaucus]

Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

How many of the 500,000 people who bought the song posted in these groups? Do you think the Facebook groups are representative of everybody who bought the track?

over 900k signed up and 10's of thousands posted, with many more thousands who did not post changed their face book status.

Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

That's a relatively niche market though. There are many more people who, under normal circumstances, will buy mainstream stuff like the X Factor acts. The fact remains that this weeks chart has been synthetically manipulated and is in no way representative of normal buying patterns.

A niche market? It is a very large market. However it is not played on main stream radio and is hardly ever advertised on tv. Despite this, numerous metal songs have made it in the top 40. It is a massive sector.

Yes it has been manipulated, just like it has been manipulated for at least the last 4 years. 12 weeks of prime time manipulation, is no diffrent to facebook manipulation.

Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

I would be absolutely delighted if this result encouraged artists to release more palatable music and encouraged more people to buy good music. Sadly, I don't hold out much hope. The people who buy music in the quantities that affect the charts like to buy the bland crooning churned out by X Factor type artists. I fear things won't change in a hurry.

I agree it won't change anything. However it has shown that x-factor can be beaten and due to that I find it highly likely some one will release something next year. As it's great publicity.

[Stan_Lite]

Originally Posted by AcidHell2

over 900k signed up and 10's of thousands posted, with many more thousands who did not post changed their face book status.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by AcidHell2

A niche market? It is a very large market. However it is not played on main stream radio and is hardly ever advertised on tv. Despite this, numerous metal songs have made it in the top 40. It is a massive sector.

I did say relatively niche. The market share of metal/rock music is relatively small compared to the huge market for mainstream pop.

Originally Posted by AcidHell2

Yes it has been manipulated, just like it has been manipulated for at least the last 4 years. 12 weeks of prime time manipulation, is no diffrent to facebook manipulation.

My point exactly

[Glaucus]

Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

I did say relatively niche. The market share of metal/rock music is relatively small compared to the huge market for mainstream pop.

I'm not so sure. Rock/metal is spread out over a huge number of bands. Where pop only seems to have a few artists at a time, which are high profile with massive PR and advert campaigns. It would be interesting to see some sale figures. You may well be right.

[Kitten]

I wish 'Mr Hanky, the Christmas poo' was #1.