Win 7 restore - impressive - Page 2

Mark · 22-03-2010, 02:04

There's justifiable good cause for Win7 having a built-in backup solution. Fact is that despite numerous companies coming up with backup software over the years, no-one backs up.

Besides, System Restore is a necessary evil to deal with Windows' built-in self-destruct button.

Stan_Lite · 22-03-2010, 07:56

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Originally Posted by Flibster

If it's that good, how long before they're forced to remove it by the EU then?

I can just picture lawyers from Acronis, Symantec, et al sharpening their pencils as we speak.

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Originally Posted by Mark

There's justifiable good cause for Win7 having a built-in backup solution. Fact is that despite numerous companies coming up with backup software over the years, no-one backs up.

Besides, System Restore is a necessary evil to deal with Windows' built-in self-destruct button.

You could argue there is justifiable cause for MS to include IE in their OS. After all, an OS in today's world isn't much use without a web browser. Personally, I think forcing MS to include other browsers in their OS is wrong. I don't see what is anti-competitive about including your own browser in your own product. What's next? Will they be forced to include a selection of media players, backup programs, image editors etc.?

I don't see system restore as necessary for Windows self-destroying - I've only ever had one Windows install die on me. It's more useful for catastrophic hard drive failure. After all, as the saying goes "It's not a case of if your hard drive fails, it's when".

Flibster · 22-03-2010, 08:38

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Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

Will they be forced to include a selection of media players, backup programs, image editors etc.?

MS were forced to produce a version of Windows without Media Player. Version N iirc and I've never seen a copy of it.

It still had Media Player on the disk, it just didn't install it and you had to do install it if you wanted it through add/remove programs.

Daz · 22-03-2010, 12:06

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Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

I can just picture lawyers from Acronis, Symantec, et al sharpening their pencils as we speak.

I dont think they'll be bothered, their money is made in the server/enterprise storage markets, I cant imagine the home market being any great percentage.

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Originally Posted by Flibster

Fine - make it apply equally to all operating systems then.
MacOS, Linux, yadda yadda yadda...

I dont think Linux is a fair comparison really - distro's are combinations of other people's software. I can download the kernel on it's own, or the gnome desktop, or any individual part of the gnome desktop, if I wanted to - source code and all

It's difficult really. I do feel for Microsoft, but they're in such a dominant position that it's easy to argue they can affect markets to the detriment of competition - but what's a market? I never really felt that web browsers were a market - with them all being free (as in beer at least) - and IE's market share was falling without regulatory intervention.

I think it's more important that government makes sure MS complies properly with open standards so there's a level playing field. IE6 still causes so many web dev headaches, though not so much outside of business these days at least. IE7 wasn't much better, IE8 is decent IE9 will be better still - and this was brought about by competition, not EU sanctions/regulations.

Davey_Pitch · 22-03-2010, 19:12

Is it possible to create a system image on an external drive as a scheduled task, say once a month or something like that? I'm not worried about doing it on my laptop as I don't keep anything vital on it that would require backing up, but if I get Win 7 on my desktop PC (which has 2 500GB external drives always connected) it could be very handy

LeperousDust · 22-03-2010, 20:23

Yep thats all really easy to set up, esp if you keep in connected. Windows isn't so good if you regulary have the drive disconnected. It just doesnt do anything about it. And then i suddenly have "1 issue" next time i restart, i'd much rather it politely ask me to plug the drive i usually use in or postpone backup... I need to set my server up again, wifi backups where much nicer...

Admiral Huddy · 23-03-2010, 10:28

It does a decent job and pretty quickly too.

I still prefer instant access to my personal data backups rather than wrapped in an application extension. However, once a month I backup an entire image of the system to external HDD and create a rescue disk. I still use SyncBackSE for daily backups of personal data to a separate internal HDD.

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22-03-2010, 02:04	#11
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	There's justifiable good cause for Win7 having a built-in backup solution. Fact is that despite numerous companies coming up with backup software over the years, no-one backs up. Besides, System Restore is a necessary evil to deal with Windows' built-in self-destruct button.