New 2010 iphone? - Page 6

LeperousDust · 22-04-2010, 00:57

Everyones talking about batteries like they're something special? Apple don't use any better (or worse) batteries than anyone else. Like everyone else its a terrible flawed and dated technology that can't really seem to keep up. There is so much **** on the internet about batteries etc... With the type of battery used by 99% of companies today (Li-Pol/Li-Ion) built by probably broadly the same underlying company. You are technically limited to a thousand or so cycles, or 2-3 years (all very approx). But they have a cycle and date shelf life used or not. Best advice as with laptops etc... keep as cold as sensibly possibly (no freezers please) leave at around 40% charge for storage (not full or empty basically). Or most of all just remember that its going to die anyway give up trying to nurture it and just use and abuse it, its pretty much what i do

No one phone company or laptop manufacture is "better" at making batteries last longer or age slower than any other. They all probably use the same common few large scale manufactures...

Garp · 22-04-2010, 02:33

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Originally Posted by Haly

Don't worry Will. I'm as fortunate as you

My SE W810i is still going strong after 4 years and my 2g iPhone is still ticking along nicely at 2 years. Lucky really as I'll be screwed if the iPhone goes wrong

My W880i is surprisingly doing the same, though I do actually have a spare battery for this thing kicking around somewhere. This is the first phone who hasn't had the battery go dodgy on it within a year / year and a half, across different brands.

I do think Gizmodo have been complete b*stards about this, it was not necessary for them to reveal the name of the Apple engineer who left it behind, but they did. Their legal position is tenuous at best, too. The paid money for an item that they knew was stolen, which counts as fencing. Within California if you pick up a lost item you are required to contact the person who owns it and if you can't, hand it in to the police who will hold it for 90 days. After 90 days, then it becomes "Finders Keepers" and you get to keep it..

Mark · 22-04-2010, 08:32

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Originally Posted by LeperousDust

Everyones talking about batteries like they're something special? Apple don't use any better (or worse) batteries than anyone else.

Actually, that's not true. Chemical composition has an effect (though these days that's usually down to making the battery explode or not - looking at you, Sony), but more importantly the charging algorithm can have a big impact. Charging a battery (any battery) too quickly will overheat it and either shorten its life or outright kill it. Continuing to charge a fully charged battery will also slowly kill it.

In fact, a lot of batteries contain a chip which determines the battery characteristics. If the chip thinks the battery is done, it's done.

LeperousDust · 22-04-2010, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Mark

Actually, that's not true. Chemical composition has an effect (though these days that's usually down to making the battery explode or not - looking at you, Sony), but more importantly the charging algorithm can have a big impact. Charging a battery (any battery) too quickly will overheat it and either shorten its life or outright kill it. Continuing to charge a fully charged battery will also slowly kill it.

In fact, a lot of batteries contain a chip which determines the battery characteristics. If the chip thinks the battery is done, it's done.

All batteries containt chips for cell balancing (to extend life of the cells over the course of use). But the facts remain it's still a physical (due to chemical) ceiling which everyone is playing the same game under. The batteries are all 3.7v just in different sizes charging them is exactly the same for anyone of the manufactures, and since its been a "stable" tech compared to anything else a long time now i would imagine they're all as good as each other at it. Or (i don't know this part) the battery manufacturers sell the charging chips with them (this would make a LOT more sense).

The Sony disaster you mention as well was far reaching becuase the same batteries were used in all (? i can't be arsed checking) major laptop manufactures... Once again prooving no one has anything special up their sleeve...

kaiowas · 22-04-2010, 21:13

Can't say I've ever had any issues with phone batteries and I make my phones last longer than most people. I've probably had mobile phones for about 10 years. During that time I've owned a total of 4 phones and 2 of those were second hand when I got them. I've never had a battery give me any real trouble, worst I had was my 8210 where battery life dropped to a couple of days by the time the phone died.

Burble · 23-04-2010, 07:39

I've had enough battery problems that I'm a bit cautious about a phone that is designed to not allow me to change the battery. Now, it's normally my work mobiles where the batteries go but considering the amount of use they get that isn't overly surprising but I've had a couple of personal phones need replacement batteries.

Not that I'd be put off getting a new iPhone because of the battery not being user changeable. I'm more likely to be put off a new iPhone because of Android.

LeperousDust · 23-04-2010, 17:17

Android is on the iPhone now days too

http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/20...uietly-in.html

A Place of Light · 23-04-2010, 17:52

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Originally Posted by LeperousDust

Android is on the iPhone now days too

http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/20...uietly-in.html

The thing is though, if you want an iPhone but don't want Apples OS running on it, you might as well buy a different phone. Apples trump card is they know how to package a product. Nothing on the iPhone is revolutionary or even state of the art, but as a complete package it's superbly put together. There are other phones with a better screen/camera/battery life etc etc, so I can only see the uber-geeks messing with Android powered iPhones.

LeperousDust · 23-04-2010, 18:35

Actually the capacitive touchscreens they use (i've not looked into who make them) seem to be some of the best on the market.

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/...n-superiority/

But apart from that the iPhone hardware isn't anything special at all you're right, and lacking the hardware buttons that android needs makes it a fudge i guess too...

A Place of Light · 23-04-2010, 19:25

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Originally Posted by LeperousDust

Actually the capacitive touchscreens they use (i've not looked into who make them) seem to be some of the best on the market.

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/...n-superiority/

But apart from that the iPhone hardware isn't anything special at all you're right, and lacking the hardware buttons that android needs makes it a fudge i guess too...

TBH mate I don't know how good the iPhone screen is with respect to handling touch input, but in terms of display quality and clarity I think the most recent HTC handsets have better components.

22-04-2010, 00:57	#51
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Everyones talking about batteries like they're something special? Apple don't use any better (or worse) batteries than anyone else. Like everyone else its a terrible flawed and dated technology that can't really seem to keep up. There is so much **** on the internet about batteries etc... With the type of battery used by 99% of companies today (Li-Pol/Li-Ion) built by probably broadly the same underlying company. You are technically limited to a thousand or so cycles, or 2-3 years (all very approx). But they have a cycle and date shelf life used or not. Best advice as with laptops etc... keep as cold as sensibly possibly (no freezers please) leave at around 40% charge for storage (not full or empty basically). Or most of all just remember that its going to die anyway give up trying to nurture it and just use and abuse it, its pretty much what i do No one phone company or laptop manufacture is "better" at making batteries last longer or age slower than any other. They all probably use the same common few large scale manufactures... __________________

22-04-2010, 21:13	#55
kaiowas The Stig Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fightertown USA Posts: 1,458	Can't say I've ever had any issues with phone batteries and I make my phones last longer than most people. I've probably had mobile phones for about 10 years. During that time I've owned a total of 4 phones and 2 of those were second hand when I got them. I've never had a battery give me any real trouble, worst I had was my 8210 where battery life dropped to a couple of days by the time the phone died. __________________ Anal Fish Porn

23-04-2010, 17:17	#57
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Android is on the iPhone now days too http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/20...uietly-in.html __________________

23-04-2010, 18:35	#59
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Actually the capacitive touchscreens they use (i've not looked into who make them) seem to be some of the best on the market. http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/...n-superiority/ But apart from that the iPhone hardware isn't anything special at all you're right, and lacking the hardware buttons that android needs makes it a fudge i guess too... __________________

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23-04-2010, 07:39	#56
Burble Rocket Fuel Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,826	I've had enough battery problems that I'm a bit cautious about a phone that is designed to not allow me to change the battery. Now, it's normally my work mobiles where the batteries go but considering the amount of use they get that isn't overly surprising but I've had a couple of personal phones need replacement batteries. Not that I'd be put off getting a new iPhone because of the battery not being user changeable. I'm more likely to be put off a new iPhone because of Android.