Decided to give this newsgroup malarky a whirl - Page 14

Zirax · 31-08-2007, 15:14

I am currently with Giganews which is a tad extreme really and I could do with changing. I'll look at newshosting as thats about £5/month cheaper.

Just a thought though, since this is paid content surely the RIAA etc are going to be paying attention to them soon? Reason I mention this is that newsgroups are rapidly increasing in popularity. The main thing then comes down to them raiding companies and demanding subscription information? Maybe i'm being cautious but has anyone else considered this?

Matblack · 31-08-2007, 15:23

I have considered it but its a risk you take but and its a big but.

As far as I am aware no one in the UK has ever been convicted for downloading things. The real issue comes when you upload or share P2P. The way the law is structured you can only be convicted if a publishing company or the RIAA can prove that you activities have a substantial effect on the profiability of an organisation. When we download we only remove one potential purchase from the thousands of potential purchases of an album/ film/ game. However when we share or upload we are potentially allowing 10,000s/ 10,000s of people not to buy the copywritten material, thats where the RIAA can get involved. This is much the same as when you buy a pirate DVD, although its frowned upon you aren't going to get a major fine or prison time, however get caught in possession of a duplication factory and you'll have the book thrown at you.

The upshot is that only really uploaders are at risk and as newsgroups and 10,000s of legitimate users it is practically impossible to tell who is downloading what. You don't want to be sending nasty letters to people who have done nothing wrong as they tend to sue you

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Feek · 31-08-2007, 15:32

I bought Newsrover years ago, it's not bad but the interface is a little fiddly. It does work well once you get the hang of it though.

Stan_Lite · 31-08-2007, 15:42

I'll maybe give it a bash then. If I don't like it, I've always got Grabit to fall back on.

Thanks

Zirax · 31-08-2007, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Matblack

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I had forgotten about the upload requirement as its been a while since I last thought about it. That is true, they are mostly focusing on BT and kazaa at the moment. I suppose they could potentially go after the posters on newsgroups. They all use anon secure proxies though so there is little chance of getting them.

I know that the trading standards are more worried about the market traders as well then anyone else

LeperousDust · 01-09-2007, 02:26

Stan download newsleecher, or pay for it if youre really silly

It's by far and wide the best solution out there. I don't actually use it anymore because my newsgroups are all over http traffic and download managers for now. But i know for a fact its only got better since the last time i did use it. Definately at least try it out

You won't be put off withnewsdeamon either.

Zirax Newshosting is just as good as giganews in every way but slighty less retention, and how you would ever really need over 100 days is beyond me... I live off about 30 max, and thats MORE than enough, ok sometimes you have to wait for things to role around again but for any new content its easy to grab things...

LeperousDust · 13-09-2007, 23:31

Anyone on easynews (i only know of on Desmo here) having trouble connecting to the http global search, well actually the whole website alone? I'm getting a horrible error message after it times out. Tried the IP incase DNS is wrong 140.99.99.99 but thats the same. Odd thing is my download manager is still connected to their http servers and is ticking away fine at full throttle?

/Confused

Mark · 13-09-2007, 23:36

The IP address is responding correctly to connection attempts, though I don't have a login so can't get any further than that.

LeperousDust · 13-09-2007, 23:46

Annoyingly is isn't for me on http, what the hell is going on here, i've tried using OpenDNS and my ISP DNS, i've tried connecting to IP and unresolved name, but i get absolutely zilch, rest of my internet is working fine (if possibly a little slowly i thought it was the forums at first but it may not be...).

Id give you my details to log in but my password is one of a group of password i use for pretty secure stuff, and its not that i don't trust you, i just don't have it written down on paper/email/anything anywhere (security freak

better safe than sorry). Since i can't get in to change it (ironically

) i can't see if you can for me...

LeperousDust · 13-09-2007, 23:48

Wait for starters i got the IP wrong

its 140.99.99.90, but that still doesnt work

//Edit: Heres my traceroute:
1 74.126.192.1 (74.126.192.1) 3.497 ms 3.928 ms 3.143 ms
2 192.168.21.1 (192.168.21.1) 2.153 ms 2.125 ms 0.735 ms
3 ge-1-0-4.auses00.dataside.com (207.71.27.9) 1.896 ms 1.164 ms 0.838 ms
4 ge-3-4.auscr00.dataside.com (66.205.176.225) 1.039 ms 0.545 ms 0.367 ms
5 vl-28.dalcr00.dataside.com (66.205.176.141) 9.475 ms 6.686 ms 14.165 ms
6 fe1-1-0.gw03.dlls.eli.net (216.190.64.33) 51.903 ms 203.310 ms 200.868 ms
7 ge7-1.cr01.dllstx97.integra.net (209.63.113.197) 77.417 ms 79.212 ms 208.563 ms
8 p7-0-0.cr01.chcgildt.integra.net (209.63.114.93) 39.926 ms 37.184 ms 42.340 ms
9 tg1-1.br01.chcgildt.integra.net (209.63.114.38) 39.743 ms 38.162 ms 41.808 ms
10 ge-6-24.car4.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.71.102.25) 46.168 ms 38.261 ms 41.573 ms
11 ae-31-51.ebr1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.30) 48.855 ms ae-32-56.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.190) 42.715 ms ae-31-55.ebr1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.158) 46.653 ms
12 * ae-78.ebr3.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.69.134.62) 35.253 ms ae-68.ebr3.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.69.134.58) 38.610 ms
13 ae-3.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net (4.69.132.61) 80.416 ms 72.941 ms 72.435 ms
14 ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.69.132.37) 62.439 ms 71.688 ms 73.246 ms
15 ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.132.106) 76.512 ms 85.814 ms 87.235 ms
16 ae-8-8.car1.Phoenix1.Level3.net (4.69.133.29) 183.629 ms 153.797 ms 207.216 ms
17 ae-11-11.car2.Phoenix1.Level3.net (4.69.133.34) 76.287 ms 82.036 ms 81.157 ms
18 HIGHWINDS-N.car2.Phoenix1.Level3.net (4.79.164.30) 81.365 ms 80.343 ms 84.204 ms
19 3-1.core-04.phx.puregig.net (69.16.128.113) 77.826 ms 75.480 ms 77.555 ms
20 ve5-10G.core-03.phx1.puregig.net (69.16.128.37) 77.754 ms 78.359 ms 84.574 ms
21 ge-2-2-0-1000m.core-01.phx1.puregig.net (69.16.128.45) 84.516 ms 77.699 ms 116.908 ms
22 ip44.easynews.com (140.99.99.44) 84.269 ms * 75.871 ms

Not sure how that would help...

//Edit2: Hmmm you're right:
Checking Port 80...
Port 80 is open and accepting connections.

So any ideas as to whats going on here, i'd actually like to download a fair bit atm

31-08-2007, 15:23	#132
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	I have considered it but its a risk you take but and its a big but. As far as I am aware no one in the UK has ever been convicted for downloading things. The real issue comes when you upload or share P2P. The way the law is structured you can only be convicted if a publishing company or the RIAA can prove that you activities have a substantial effect on the profiability of an organisation. When we download we only remove one potential purchase from the thousands of potential purchases of an album/ film/ game. However when we share or upload we are potentially allowing 10,000s/ 10,000s of people not to buy the copywritten material, thats where the RIAA can get involved. This is much the same as when you buy a pirate DVD, although its frowned upon you aren't going to get a major fine or prison time, however get caught in possession of a duplication factory and you'll have the book thrown at you. The upshot is that only really uploaders are at risk and as newsgroups and 10,000s of legitimate users it is practically impossible to tell who is downloading what. You don't want to be sending nasty letters to people who have done nothing wrong as they tend to sue you MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

31-08-2007, 15:32	#133
Feek ex SAS Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: JO01ou Posts: 10,062	I bought Newsrover years ago, it's not bad but the interface is a little fiddly. It does work well once you get the hang of it though. __________________

31-08-2007, 15:42	#134
Stan_Lite Stan, Stan the FLASHER MAN! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In bed with your sister Posts: 5,483	I'll maybe give it a bash then. If I don't like it, I've always got Grabit to fall back on. Thanks __________________ Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean I...

01-09-2007, 02:26	#136
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Stan download newsleecher, or pay for it if youre really silly It's by far and wide the best solution out there. I don't actually use it anymore because my newsgroups are all over http traffic and download managers for now. But i know for a fact its only got better since the last time i did use it. Definately at least try it out You won't be put off withnewsdeamon either. Zirax Newshosting is just as good as giganews in every way but slighty less retention, and how you would ever really need over 100 days is beyond me... I live off about 30 max, and thats MORE than enough, ok sometimes you have to wait for things to role around again but for any new content its easy to grab things... __________________

13-09-2007, 23:31	#137
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Anyone on easynews (i only know of on Desmo here) having trouble connecting to the http global search, well actually the whole website alone? I'm getting a horrible error message after it times out. Tried the IP incase DNS is wrong 140.99.99.99 but thats the same. Odd thing is my download manager is still connected to their http servers and is ticking away fine at full throttle? /Confused __________________

31-08-2007, 15:14	#131
Zirax Goes up to 11! Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,577	I am currently with Giganews which is a tad extreme really and I could do with changing. I'll look at newshosting as thats about £5/month cheaper. Just a thought though, since this is paid content surely the RIAA etc are going to be paying attention to them soon? Reason I mention this is that newsgroups are rapidly increasing in popularity. The main thing then comes down to them raiding companies and demanding subscription information? Maybe i'm being cautious but has anyone else considered this?

13-09-2007, 23:36	#138
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	The IP address is responding correctly to connection attempts, though I don't have a login so can't get any further than that.

13-09-2007, 23:46	#139
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Annoyingly is isn't for me on http, what the hell is going on here, i've tried using OpenDNS and my ISP DNS, i've tried connecting to IP and unresolved name, but i get absolutely zilch, rest of my internet is working fine (if possibly a little slowly i thought it was the forums at first but it may not be...). Id give you my details to log in but my password is one of a group of password i use for pretty secure stuff, and its not that i don't trust you, i just don't have it written down on paper/email/anything anywhere (security freak better safe than sorry). Since i can't get in to change it (ironically ) i can't see if you can for me... __________________

13-09-2007, 23:48	#140
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Wait for starters i got the IP wrong its 140.99.99.90, but that still doesnt work //Edit: Heres my traceroute: 1 74.126.192.1 (74.126.192.1) 3.497 ms 3.928 ms 3.143 ms 2 192.168.21.1 (192.168.21.1) 2.153 ms 2.125 ms 0.735 ms 3 ge-1-0-4.auses00.dataside.com (207.71.27.9) 1.896 ms 1.164 ms 0.838 ms 4 ge-3-4.auscr00.dataside.com (66.205.176.225) 1.039 ms 0.545 ms 0.367 ms 5 vl-28.dalcr00.dataside.com (66.205.176.141) 9.475 ms 6.686 ms 14.165 ms 6 fe1-1-0.gw03.dlls.eli.net (216.190.64.33) 51.903 ms 203.310 ms 200.868 ms 7 ge7-1.cr01.dllstx97.integra.net (209.63.113.197) 77.417 ms 79.212 ms 208.563 ms 8 p7-0-0.cr01.chcgildt.integra.net (209.63.114.93) 39.926 ms 37.184 ms 42.340 ms 9 tg1-1.br01.chcgildt.integra.net (209.63.114.38) 39.743 ms 38.162 ms 41.808 ms 10 ge-6-24.car4.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.71.102.25) 46.168 ms 38.261 ms 41.573 ms 11 ae-31-51.ebr1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.30) 48.855 ms ae-32-56.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.190) 42.715 ms ae-31-55.ebr1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.158) 46.653 ms 12 * ae-78.ebr3.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.69.134.62) 35.253 ms ae-68.ebr3.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.69.134.58) 38.610 ms 13 ae-3.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net (4.69.132.61) 80.416 ms 72.941 ms 72.435 ms 14 ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.69.132.37) 62.439 ms 71.688 ms 73.246 ms 15 ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.132.106) 76.512 ms 85.814 ms 87.235 ms 16 ae-8-8.car1.Phoenix1.Level3.net (4.69.133.29) 183.629 ms 153.797 ms 207.216 ms 17 ae-11-11.car2.Phoenix1.Level3.net (4.69.133.34) 76.287 ms 82.036 ms 81.157 ms 18 HIGHWINDS-N.car2.Phoenix1.Level3.net (4.79.164.30) 81.365 ms 80.343 ms 84.204 ms 19 3-1.core-04.phx.puregig.net (69.16.128.113) 77.826 ms 75.480 ms 77.555 ms 20 ve5-10G.core-03.phx1.puregig.net (69.16.128.37) 77.754 ms 78.359 ms 84.574 ms 21 ge-2-2-0-1000m.core-01.phx1.puregig.net (69.16.128.45) 84.516 ms 77.699 ms 116.908 ms 22 ip44.easynews.com (140.99.99.44) 84.269 ms * 75.871 ms Not sure how that would help... //Edit2: Hmmm you're right: Checking Port 80... Port 80 is open and accepting connections. So any ideas as to whats going on here, i'd actually like to download a fair bit atm __________________ Last edited by LeperousDust; 13-09-2007 at 23:51.