Bitten by the Mac bug!

[petemc]

Originally Posted by DRZ

I know it probably reads differently because you've got an OSX-shaped axe to grind but I honestly do not have a problem with this OS, why would I? I have a 'problem' with the attitudes of the bulk of people that use them when it comes to anyone that dare compare it to anything else, or dare say that people buy Apple products generally as fashion accessories (which is true, look at the iPod and iPhone for clear examples of "its a crap product compared to the rest of the market but I just have to have one")

I'm sorry but once you start saying things like that you've just become yet another "Anti-Apple" fanboy type. "Oh god its just a fashion accessory. Its so rubbish. You're all sheep. Baaaaa silly white sheep." Let me think. Amount of times I've thought "Do these shoes go with my iPod?" That'd be none simply because its not a fashion accessory. Pros n cons remember. Yes there are better sounding audio players out there, and which ones work perfectly with iTunes, iPhoto, iCal, have email, wifi, and Apple's UI design? Yet another half decent Apple thread descends into madness full of stupid cliches and stereotypes. Now if anyone needs me I'll be painting my self white so hot girls can touch me and carry me around as a fashion accessory

[divine]

Originally Posted by DRZ

(which is true, look at the iPod and iPhone for clear examples of "its a crap product compared to the rest of the market but I just have to have one")

The old ones maybe, the iPod Touch dicks on everything else i've used from a great height in most departments.

[Dr. Z]

Originally Posted by Kitten

when I got my first ipod, the alternatives were few, far between and horrendously expensive (i had a 128k which cost me around £120 quid) which held far less songs and was far less fluid than the pod.

The i-pod was revolutionary when it came out, and yes competitors have brought out versions that work differently, so to some better. Purists will still love the i-pod for it's fluidity and its style. This goes hand in hand for me with the functionality, it certainly doesn't outweigh it.

My current model is the 8gig video ipod that I got for around £90. I really do not believe there is a better alternative out there that is so hassle free.

I think Durz you have to understand that the 'attitudes' you speak of here



come as a direct result of the way you put your arguments across. As you've said in the quote, you have a problem with the way people react when you put your point across, then you reiterate hat your point is correct. So really, you don't like people getting an attitude with you when you put your point forward, they explain their reasons and you still keep coming back and arguing - are you suprised people get the hump when you argue with their opinion? It's their opinion, not yours - maybe you could learn to accept that and not argue with it and you might find people annoy you less.

I get annoyed when I tell people why I use Macs and they come back with 'you could do this with this, or that, or that - you don't have to use a mac'. I really don't care. I've used them for years and will continue to do so until it doesn't do for me what I need it to.

You ask a question, you get an answer. I'm not asking you to show me the way and I'm not asking you to argue or agree with my point of view. I'm answering your question, I didn't ask you to point out the flaws in it.

Back to the attitude issue, you might find that people find it quite annoying when they have something that they really like and really enjoy because they do - for whatever reason, and someone comes along and insists that their choice is crap, their ipod is rubbish, their machine of choice is an overpriced toy for fanboys who prefer style over function - do you really wonder why people have an attitude with you?

Pretty much everyone here has answered you and told you why they use Macs but you're still arguing.... or at least still debating....

Until other people turned the tone of the thread on its head I think that I was being pretty kind to OSX, it was only when responding to points that other people made that things nose-dived.

Yeah, I do think that some Apple products aren't as good as the competition and yes, you can get better but thats not being agressive, derisory or anything like that, I just can't understand the following they have - looking at it objectively for a moment, why would anyone want an iPhone when it lacks 'basic' features and costs the earth for it?! The iPod has a horrendously flawed output stage which is audible (to me, for the music I listen to) despite an innovative control system. I turn on my MP3 player, hit play, put it in my pocket and forget about it - so the UI isn't all that.

The iPod Touch is kind of a hybrid device and the stuff it does makes it a fantastic device, but thats because its more than an MP3 player despite the iPod tag (imo).

Oh and for the love of god, I do not have a U in my handle.

[Dr. Z]

Originally Posted by Kitten

Do you want these toys back or can I keep them? I haven't even seen your handle

*sigh*

No toys were hurt in the making of that post. Sat here with a smile.

It does annoy me though.

[Will]

Well I started the thread mainly as I was sharing my excitement at potentially starting to use a Mac - I didn't want this thread to be turned into an apple vs everything else - it's obvious some people aren't interested in entertaining the idea of other products just as some people are sick of others - but I didn't want this to be the case.

Can we just say horses for courses? Some people think macs kick ass, some people don't "get" them, and let it be at that?

[Mark]

Yes, the audio output stages on most - certainly the older - iPods are not the best in the business, and their headphones certainly aren't, but save for the headphones which are easily and relatively cheaply replaced is the average man on the street who hasn't had the benefit of high-end audio experience, acoustic chambers and whatever else really going to notice, especially when they're playing an inherently lossy file format anyway? Even WAV and FLAC are lossy if you want to be that pedantic about it (not that the iPod supports them).

Average guy on the street isn't going to have any clue with some of the hoops some of us (myself included) go through to get the best quality CD rips. While I admit I think I can hear a quality improvement with my new rips I suspect it's just placebo. My hearing really isn't that good.

Yes, Apple do go a lot for design. Yes, you pay a premium for that and the brand, and yes, fanboys lap it up. All that said, you don't achieve the success that the iPod has on the back purely of design. Apple got in first with the best end-to-end experience with iTunes and the iPod, and like it or not, the rest of the market had to play catch-up.

If you don't care for Apple's products, that's fine with me - don't buy them. I don't particularly like iPods either due to their closed nature, which is why I've never bought one - though I'll admit to at least a small hankering after an iTouch (note - not the iPhone). However, not that I accuse you of doing this even though you did use the word, please don't go around telling everyone else they made crap choices. They just made different choices, for different reasons.

[Dr. Z]

Originally Posted by Mark

*snip*.

I really need to start making things painfully clear don't I? I am not specifically talking about anybody here, or their choices. I didn't say anyone made a crap choice, nor did I say I don't care for Apple products. I am talking generally, about the general view of the general public.

You don't have to have the best or even a good product to have a big or the biggest market share. McDonalds, Vauxhall (by and large), Sony, Bose....

Thats my point. They get lauded as the be all and end all by people who largely don't know better (which I will be forced no doubt into explicitly stating is nobody in this thread).

You know, the iPod Touch might well prove to be the single best Apple product ever made! If it could phone people (discounting VOIP here) it would walk all over the iPhone...

Originally Posted by Will

Well I started the thread mainly as I was sharing my excitement at potentially starting to use a Mac - I didn't want this thread to be turned into an apple vs everything else - it's obvious some people aren't interested in entertaining the idea of other products just as some people are sick of others - but I didn't want this to be the case.

Can we just say horses for courses? Some people think macs kick ass, some people don't "get" them, and let it be at that?

If you are referring to me there (which you blatantly are as I seem to be the only person here with the stones to stand up to this blatant fanboy parade ) then I'll have you know I have wanted a Mac Mini for ages and I would buy a Macbook Pro tomorrow if they weren't so damned expensive (and I had the money).

Of course, I would remove that piece of **** excuse of an operating system and install a proper one, but there we go

[divine]

Originally Posted by DRZ

You know, the iPod Touch might well prove to be the single best Apple product ever made! If it could phone people (discounting VOIP here) it would walk all over the iPhone...

How so?

They're by and large the same thing, just the iPhone has more features and gets its software updates for free...

If the iTouch could phone people it'd just be a slightly less crippled iPhone.

Or are you referring purely to the expense of it compared to an iPhone?

[Dr. Z]

Originally Posted by divine`

How so?

They're by and large the same thing, just the iPhone has more features and gets its software updates for free...

If the iTouch could phone people it'd just be a slightly less crippled iPhone.

Or are you referring purely to the expense of it compared to an iPhone?

The iPhone needs that something to make up for its pitfalls, the iTouch does almost everything a good PDA phone can do, if the two merged at a sane price then it would be attractive...

[Will]

Originally Posted by DRZ

I really need to start making things painfully clear don't I? I am not specifically talking about anybody here, or their choices. I didn't say anyone made a crap choice, nor did I say I don't care for Apple products. I am talking generally, about the general view of the general public.

You don't have to have the best or even a good product to have a big or the biggest market share. McDonalds, Vauxhall (by and large), Sony, Bose....

Thats my point. They get lauded as the be all and end all by people who largely don't know better (which I will be forced no doubt into explicitly stating is nobody in this thread).

You know, the iPod Touch might well prove to be the single best Apple product ever made! If it could phone people (discounting VOIP here) it would walk all over the iPhone...



If you are referring to me there (which you blatantly are as I seem to be the only person here with the stones to stand up to this blatant fanboy parade ) then I'll have you know I have wanted a Mac Mini for ages and I would buy a Macbook Pro tomorrow if they weren't so damned expensive (and I had the money).

Of course, I would remove that piece of **** excuse of an operating system and install a proper one, but there we go

No mate I wasn't singling anyone out - I was just talking about the riling in general that seems to be happening in my thread Besides I agreed with most of what you said early on in the thread.