Fur Back in Fashion?

[Feek]

Originally Posted by phykell

Following on from that, it surprises me that you don't shoot them as well as you'd think that, having no concern for their welfare, you'd find it enjoyable to shoot them (not that I'm suggesting it!).

Where have I said that I enjoy causing pain and suffering myself? You're mis-interpreting my apathy. Just because I don't care what happens to animals who are bred for a specific purpose doesn't mean that I want to go and hunt them myself.

Originally Posted by phykell

You're quite the enigma really

My work here is done

[phykell]

Originally Posted by Feek

Where have I said that I enjoy causing pain and suffering myself? You're mis-interpreting my apathy. Just because I don't care what happens to animals who are bred for a specific purpose doesn't mean that I want to go and hunt them myself.

It's just surprising as I say. There are lots of people who hunt yet consider themselves animal lovers. I always find this to be confusing and it would therefore follow, that someone who doesn't care for animals at all, and loves shooting, would probably enjoy shooting them. Obviously such reasoning doesn't work in your case but that's a good thing!

[chumpychops]

What is the benefit to feeling empathy for animals? We havent in the past, to no ill effect, so why should we start now?

[Desmo]

Does everything have to be done for a benefit?

[chumpychops]

Originally Posted by Desmo

Does everything have to be done for a benefit?

Nope, but if you're only against animals being bred for food/fur etc because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside then one can hardly expect others to autmatically agree with you.

Simply saying 'Killing animals for fur is wrong', and then expecting others to agree isnt the most convincing of arguments, and if someone expects mankind to stop doing what it has done for millenia then they need to do better than specious 'Wont someone think of teh kittens' arguments.

[Desmo]

Originally Posted by chumpychops

Nope, but if you're only against animals being bred for food/fur etc because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside then one can hardly expect others to autmatically agree with you.

Agree with you totally. Whilst I disagree with the way some animals are treated, I don't expect others to feel the same. I think it's odd that they don't care and I can't understand why, but that's all. We're all different emotionally.

We all do things to differing degrees. I don't like the way these animals are treated, but will I actually do anything about it? Not really.

[Matblack]

Originally Posted by chumpychops

Nope, but if you're only against animals being bred for food/fur etc because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside then one can hardly expect others to autmatically agree with you.

Simply saying 'Killing animals for fur is wrong', and then expecting others to agree isnt the most convincing of arguments, and if someone expects mankind to stop doing what it has done for millenia then they need to do better than specious 'Wont someone think of teh kittens' arguments.

You have an interesting point, there is no inherent benefit in not being cruel to animals, there are a lot of benefits farming animals for their byproducts and if in doing you cause them pain then so what? As higher beings be have the ability to kill, maim, disfigure and torture other living beings with very few repercussions, so why is it considered wrong to cause an animal suffering? Odd isn't it?

All I know is that I don't want other creatures to feel pain to provide me with products, if animals die to feed me I would want them to live as comfortable a life as possible and to die a quick and painiless death, I believe this because I believe animals can feel pain both physical and mental. I've seen animals in pain and I find it unacceptable if it can be avoided, no, cows aren't nice and cuddly like cats but I stilll don't want my indirect actions to cause one pain.

So to answer your question in my opinion that warm fuzzy feeling is enough reason not to kill animals that don't need to be killed, enough to make people campaign against animal cruelty, enough for most people that is.

MB

[phykell]

Originally Posted by chumpychops

Nope, but if you're only against animals being bred for food/fur etc because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside then one can hardly expect others to autmatically agree with you.

I don't have to be nice or at least even civil to people yet that's exactly what I try to do. It's not about what benefits it will yield, it's about your personal ethics and what we should aspire to. Protection of the weak, defenceless and vulnerable is a very human quality anyway. Why should such a noble sentiment be reserved for our own species?

[SidewinderINC]

Originally Posted by Matblack

All I know is that I don't want other creatures to feel pain to provide me with products.

MB

Not targetting you here MB, but that comment reminded me of other products that require animal testing/killing

Here's another side to think about..

do you use medicines when you're ill? or have you had diagnostic tests done in hospital at all?

I will guarantee that some animals have been killed in a painful way at some stage in the manufacture/testing of the medicines and the manufacture of the diagnostic kits used.

People seem to be concerned with eating preferences and vanity, but have overlooked the 'bleeding out' of (usually) rabbits for serum/globulins in manufacturing diagnostic kits, or the use of primates in testing meds.

[Matblack]

Originally Posted by SidewinderINC

Not targetting you here MB, but that comment reminded me of other products that require animal testing/killing

Here's another side to think about..

do you use medicines when you're ill? or have you had diagnostic tests done in hospital at all?

I will guarantee that some animals have been killed in a painful way at some stage in the manufacture/testing of the medicines and the manufacture of the diagnostic kits used.

People seem to be concerned with eating preferences and vanity, but have overlooked the 'bleeding out' of (usually) rabbits for serum/globulins in manufacturing diagnostic kits, or the use of primates in testing meds.

I know where my boundaries lie, I am not a rabid antivivisectionist because I understand that there are situations where a small number of animals will suffer for the forwarding of medical science and I am willing to accept that where there are not other options but in a lot of cases there are other options these days and I would prefer these were used.

MB