Left 4 Dead

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by NokkonWud

It obviously is arguable because I'm arguing it and saying you're uninformed.

What I mean is, it is empirical - it is provable under scientific conditions if you will. It isn't a mere opinion.

Again I am talking about aiming and movement ability, not the overall 'experience' which includes intangibles as mentioned earlier.

[Streeteh]

Originally Posted by NokkonWud

Gabe is a child. I still maintain he got lucky with Team Fortress Classic and Streeteh continues to worship him because of it.

Fixed.

Seriously, if the guy managed to head the project that created what for me is the greatest gaming experience ever by a country mile, there must be something to it and it may happen again one day... surely? No?

[divine]

I've never come across a console FPS where you can fully turn off the aim assist. Plenty will nullify it, but never turn it completely off. Only time you really get to aim properly is when you have a manual 'aim' button.

[Davey_Pitch]

Originally Posted by dirtydog

You seem a bit sensitive about something which seems empirically true, that PCs are inherently better to play FPS games on?

I'm not sensitive, it just pisses me off when people pass off personal preferences as facts we all have to agree with. I prefer playing FPS games on a console. I prefer feeling more involved with the game by using a pad. I prefer sitting on a comfy couch playing on a 42" LCD. Therefore, consoles are better for FPS games, in my opinion. Disagree if you want, I don't care, but don't pass off your opinion and tastes as facts.

If you disagree I will be happy to go 1v1 in UT2004 any time with our respective choice of control methods

Wouldn't really be a good comparison for 2 reasons. Firstly, I never said that pads were as accurate as a keyboard and mouse combo (I said as much further up). Secondly, I'm not that good at FPS games, so you'd be better picking on someone who's actually good at them

[leowyatt]

Originally Posted by divine

I've never come across a console FPS where you can fully turn off the aim assist. Plenty will nullify it, but never turn it completely off. Only time you really get to aim properly is when you have a manual 'aim' button.

Pretty sure you can turn it off in COD4.

[NokkonWud]

You can actually turn it off in loooaaads of games.

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by Davey_Pitch

I'm not sensitive, it just pisses me off when people pass off personal preferences as facts we all have to agree with. I prefer playing FPS games on a console. I prefer feeling more involved with the game by using a pad. I prefer sitting on a comfy couch playing on a 42" LCD. Therefore, consoles are better for FPS games, in my opinion. Disagree if you want, I don't care, but don't pass off your opinion and tastes as facts.



Wouldn't really be a good comparison for 2 reasons. Firstly, I never said that pads were as accurate as a keyboard and mouse combo (I said as much further up). Secondly, I'm not that good at FPS games, so you'd be better picking on someone who's actually good at them

It seems we are arguing at cross purposes then, and we actually don't disagree with each other?

I have acknowledged in this thread that what is 'better' overall is intangible and up to individuals; all I am arguing is that a mouse is better (more accurate etc) to aim and move, and it looks like you agree with that.

[divine]

Originally Posted by NokkonWud

You can actually turn it off in loooaaads of games.

Does it actually turn off though, or just tell you it has whilst in reality just reducing it?

[leowyatt]

it turns it off

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by leowyatt

it turns it off

How do you know though?