Poor Jade Goody!!

[AboveTheSalt]

Originally Posted by phykell

The NHS makes money on certain medication as well.

Now that IS good news - I am delighted to hear that the NHS is actually making money now

Originally Posted by phykell

The almost ubiquitous blue inhaler, for relieving asthma, only costs the NHS around a pound yet people have to pay the standard prescription rate for it.

What are you suggesting here, that prescription charges should reflect the cost of the drug(s) prescribed?

Originally Posted by phykell

There's actually a much more effective reliever but it typically costs the NHS over £20.

As a matter of personal interest, what is this "much more effective reliever"?

[phykell]

Originally Posted by AboveTheSalt

What are you suggesting here, that prescription charges should reflect the cost of the drug(s) prescribed?

Yes, with a cap at which point the NHS pays the rest.

Originally Posted by AboveTheSalt

As a matter of personal interest, what is this "much more effective reliever"?

Oxis 6 - the active ingredient is Eformoterol.

[A Place of Light]

Originally Posted by iCraig

Trust me, A Place Of Light, I know the value of a pound very well.

Without turning this into a gamr of top trumps, I'll again ask you to trust me.
Wolverhampton is a deprived area.....Burmondsey is a complete toilet.
Ask anyone who has visited both and they'll be fairly clear which is worse.

Originally Posted by divine

CRASS WAR

Fixed.

Originally Posted by Takhisis

Erm haven't been following this thread much recently but NICE doesn't "choose" which medications are available or not. They make clinical guidelines and recommendations. They can strongly recommend a type of medication or procedure but they (as far as I am aware) have no legal enforcement.

No legal enforcement, no.
But I'm unaware of any example where their recommendations have been ignored (although you or someone else here is possibly more informed on this than I) and if this is true then my point still stands intact.

[A Place of Light]

Originally Posted by phykell

[i]Right. I had to get up at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down at the mill and pay the mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our mother and father would kill us and dance on our graves singing Halleluja.

Luxury!

[iCraig]

Originally Posted by A Place of Light

Without turning this into a gamr of top trumps, I'll again ask you to trust me.
Wolverhampton is a deprived area.....Burmondsey is a complete toilet.
Ask anyone who has visited both and they'll be fairly clear which is worse.

Nevertheless I know exactly why she relates happiness and security to money, it's seen as the aspiration to happiness. Win the lottery and your life will be sorted. Be a celebrity, get money, sorted. Why do you think she went on BB in the first place? To win, get money, be a celeb, get more money yadda yadda.

Anyway, are you seriously telling me, that all of her estate, all the money she got from countless "world exclusive" interviews still wasn't enough to "secure" her children. Money doesn't secure anyone anyway, in fact, money has the power to corrupt and destroy, but that's a different debate entirely. She still had to sell, right up until literally her final moments by the look of it. She's even organised for her funeral service to be broadcast on huge plasma screens to the crowds outside. Why? More publicity = more money. The golden Goody rule. It's unwavered, even in death she's the centre of media attention.

My point is now why not let her family, especially her children have just one day of privacy and dignity to say goodbye and have a respectful ceremony? Is having Heat and OK magazine waiting outside to grab comments from them really needed? All for what, a couple more thousand to add to the million(s) already in their names? Like I said, typical Jade Goody. Press mad. Nothing in her life could be done without a camera flash present, her death and funeral were never doing to be immune from that. Even someone who came from a working class background (maybe not identical to Jade's) will surely admit that not everything can be sold, surely, some things are priceless? Jade doesn't believe in that, I'm sure she's made that more than clear during the last few months.

[A Place of Light]

Originally Posted by iCraig

Nevertheless I know exactly why she relates happiness and security to money, it's seen as the aspiration to happiness. Win the lottery and your life will be sorted. Be a celebrity, get money, sorted..

Agreed.
It's what drives Lotto sales, for example.

Originally Posted by iCraig

Why do you think she went on BB in the first place? To win, get money, be a celeb, get more money yadda yadda.

I don't know if truth be told, and neither do you if you're honest.
What I do know is that fame and fortune are not the only reasons to take part in BB, therefore if some people have other reasons to take part it is perfectly possible that she is one of them.

Originally Posted by iCraig

Anyway, are you seriously telling me, that all of her estate, all the money she got from countless "world exclusive" interviews still wasn't enough to "secure" her children. Money doesn't secure anyone anyway, in fact, money has the power to corrupt and destroy, but that's a different debate entirely.

No. I'm not saying that at all.
What I am suggesting, is that from her perspective.....and I've never seen a more child-like 27 year old.....she may well believe "the more the better".

Originally Posted by iCraig

My point is now why not let her family, especially her children have just one day of privacy and dignity to say goodbye and have a respectful ceremony? Is having Heat and OK magazine waiting outside to grab comments from them really needed?.

No, probably not.....but then "our" media has never been famous for its tact.

Originally Posted by iCraig

All for what, a couple more thousand to add to the million(s) already in their names?

Originally Posted by iCraig

She's even organised for her funeral service to be broadcast on huge plasma screens to the crowds outside. Why? More publicity = more money.

I'm not sure how you figure this will mean more money for her estate.
Surely all deals will have been done?
I doubt anymore money will be changing hands from this point, and the press are simply doing what they do best. Taking pictures and writing stories that they know will sell.

Originally Posted by iCraig

Like I said, typical Jade Goody. Press mad. Nothing in her life could be done without a camera flash present, her death and funeral were never doing to be immune from that. Even someone who came from a working class background (maybe not identical to Jade's) will surely admit that not everything can be sold, surely, some things are priceless? Jade doesn't believe in that, I'm sure she's made that more than clear during the last few months.

Well, if by "her life" you mean the last seven years of it, then I agree.
Where we differ Is I see a girl who has done to the media what the media has done to countless individuals in the past. She played them at their own game and made money in the process.
Let's get one thing out in the open. JG is famous because the public want her to be. There's a very good reason I can't buy the Heat magazine iCraig edition.....because other than your friends and family nobody gives a crap.
The Jade-haters really need to accept that first and foremost they're haters of the great British public, as this is where the demand comes from. When you have no demand, you have no need for supply. Basic Economics.
I doubt Jade understood why people were interested in her and why magazines/papers/TV shows were willing to pay good money to feature her, neither can I blame her for cashing in on the fact.

[AboveTheSalt]

Originally Posted by A Place of Light

Let's get one thing out in the open. JG is famous because the public want her to be. There's a very good reason I can't buy the Heat magazine Joe Bloggs edition.....because other than Joe Bloggs' friends and family nobody gives a crap.

Absolutely true - it is neither Jade Goody's nor Joe Bloggs'fault, just to Jade Goody's very considerable financial advantage and to Joe Bloggs' very considerable disappointment.

Originally Posted by A Place of Light

The Jade-haters really need to accept that first and foremost they're haters of the great British public, as this is where the demand comes from. When you have no demand, you have no need for supply. Basic Economics.

Also absolutely true. Added to this, the Great British public tends to have a very ambivalent attitude towards the success of others.

Originally Posted by A Place of Light

I doubt Jade understood why people were interested in her and why magazines/papers/TV shows were willing to pay good money to feature her, neither can I blame her for cashing in on the fact.

Most people would do just as Jade Goody has done and are only resentful that they haven't had the chance.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by A Place of Light

Max Clifford played them at their own game and they both made money in the process.

Fixed. Much as with the racism issue, I'm not sure we can credit Jade herself with the intelligence necessary to play such a game and win. Max Clifford, on the other hand, is an expert at it. Jade still had to agree to it all, of course, but that just takes us back to the argument about wanting money for money's sake.

[Rich_L]

Most people would do just as Jade Goody has done and are only resentful that they haven't had the chance.

Rubbish frankly. That's about as accurate as blindly calling the people saying Goodwin's pension was ridiculous, jealous because they don't earn as much.

Are people who feel prostitution is unacceptable 'jealous' or 'resentful' that they don't get paid for spreading their legs?

It's such a cop-out, why does condemnation have to boil down to resentment or jealousy - can't something be obscene or intolerable simply on its own merits? I wouldn't put myself in the public eye if you paid me a million pounds, nor would I do the thankless job of an MP for all the benefits in the world - the public are f'ing retarded and I'd rather stay well out of their way tbh.

[Mark]

Sure, you wouldn't, but then I'd guess that you (like me) aren't the type to 'prostitute' yourself (not sure that's quite the right word, but I'll let it fly) in front of the masses on Big Brother either. Rest assured that there are countless people who would - which is why there are now so many 'reality' shows, and long queues outside audition venues to get a place in them.