Should Gordon Brown step down? - Page 2

Matblack · 19-05-2009, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blighter

The only reason I want him to go is because he wasn't exactly voted in or ought, so it's unfair on the British people.

So... you thoughts?

The UK is a representational democracy, we do not elect our leaders we elect a member of parlimennt who then choose a leader from amongst their number.

There never was any reason of GB to step down and all this garbage about a mandate to govern is just that, garbage.

If this was the States and a President said 'you know what I'm not really up for this anymore, here Bob you take over' then there would be justifiable outcry over there not being an election, but here its just guff put about by the opposition to try and destablise a legitimate government.

We have our chance to make our impression on a government and thats by electing a member of parliment for our local constiuancy.

MB

kaiowas · 19-05-2009, 08:49

I don't usually get too involved in politics as I consider them all to be as bad as each other and it makes no real odds who is in charge however in this case Labour know they're screwed, they know they're going to lose the next election and as far as I can see they're doing as much as they can to ensure that everything turns to **** in a few years time to give them some ammunition once they're in opposition, for this reason I'd like to see an election forced now before they can do too much damage. If the current events are used as a vehicle to allow this to happen then fine.

Matblack · 19-05-2009, 08:58

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Originally Posted by kaiowas

I don't usually get too involved in politics as I consider them all to be as bad as each other and it makes no real odds who is in charge however in this case Labour know they're screwed, they know they're going to lose the next election and as far as I can see they're doing as much as they can to ensure that everything turns to **** in a few years time to give them some ammunition once they're in opposition, for this reason I'd like to see an election forced now before they can do too much damage. If the current events are used as a vehicle to allow this to happen then fine.

I'm no fan of Labour but I doubt this to be the case, also there is no precedent for this and the ruling party decide when the next election takes place within a prescribed timeframe.

Everyone makes a big fuss, but at the end of the day what is going to happen? We'll have the Tories for 1-3 terms depending on how they do and then it will flick flack back again. The only positive of the recent scandle is that we might see a few more independants and smaller party MPs in the next government as those who claimed masses of expences are ousted by their local parties or voters, nothing else will change.

MB

Justsomebloke · 19-05-2009, 09:10

From my own observations I think only Peasants should be Politicians as there aspirations of Fraud are far smaller.

Allow me to explain.

Labour robbed us to throw in Mock Tudor beams & the like.
Conservatives robbed us for kin swimming pools & Houses.
Liberals they robbed us for a Packet of Hob nobs

By this equation peasants would be Far cheaper.

Please don't credit me for that as I heard it somewhere, Unfortunetly I cannot remember where.

Matblack · 19-05-2009, 12:03

'QUICK LOOK OVER THERE!'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8057203.stm

MPs make blood sacrifice in the hope of evading the limelight

MB

Mark · 19-05-2009, 12:32

Grade A Scapegoat.

Those in the know will know that he was the chairman of a committee that recommended changes to the expenses system which the MPs thoroughly rejected last year. He's certainly acted like a deer in the headlights the last few weeks and he was involved in blocking the FOIA requests, neither of which has really done him any favours at all, but he was correct in getting the Police involved IMO, and in the end the MPs made the expenses claims, not him.

Whether the general populace will know or even understand this is another matter. Most likely they'll take the bait.

Briggykins · 19-05-2009, 12:48

Yup, ridiculous. This is completely the MPs trying to divert blame away from themselves. I don't think the public are really being taken in by it tho - the callers to Five Live yesterday were virtually united in saying 'Yeah, nice try, you aren't fooling us'.

iCraig · 19-05-2009, 13:05

The texts on Radio 1 were all basically saying, "He's being used as the scapegoat, it's not all his fault"

I don't think the public will buy the story, but it's not as if we can do much about it?

Matblack · 19-05-2009, 13:15

Nor should we really, if the bloke has taken it upon himself to throw the towel in then that fine but the important thing in my mind is that those who have abused the system and those who have let them aren't allowed to escape because of him throwing hhimself on his sword. These people are supposed to hold the most trusted positions in the land, protecting the electorate and many of them have been abusing that trust been abusing this trust, however small the think that abuse is. A lot of them need to go in my view and the sooner the better.

MB

Mark · 19-05-2009, 13:18

How different the opinions here are from a certain other place.

One other thing I did point out there is that I do think his position had become untenable. The Speaker is supposed to control proceedings in the House, not be the subject of them, and he had quite clearly lost control yesterday. There's no way he could let that situation continue.

Still a scapegoat though in the wider context. I suspect the next Speaker, whoever that is to be, might not actually be feigning reluctance (as is tradition). How do you select a Speaker when they're almost all guilty.

19-05-2009, 08:49	#12
kaiowas The Stig Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fightertown USA Posts: 1,458	I don't usually get too involved in politics as I consider them all to be as bad as each other and it makes no real odds who is in charge however in this case Labour know they're screwed, they know they're going to lose the next election and as far as I can see they're doing as much as they can to ensure that everything turns to **** in a few years time to give them some ammunition once they're in opposition, for this reason I'd like to see an election forced now before they can do too much damage. If the current events are used as a vehicle to allow this to happen then fine. __________________ Anal Fish Porn

19-05-2009, 09:10	#14
Justsomebloke The Night Worker Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,228	From my own observations I think only Peasants should be Politicians as there aspirations of Fraud are far smaller. Allow me to explain. Labour robbed us to throw in Mock Tudor beams & the like. Conservatives robbed us for kin swimming pools & Houses. Liberals they robbed us for a Packet of Hob nobs By this equation peasants would be Far cheaper. Please don't credit me for that as I heard it somewhere, Unfortunetly I cannot remember where. __________________

19-05-2009, 12:03	#15
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	'QUICK LOOK OVER THERE!' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8057203.stm MPs make blood sacrifice in the hope of evading the limelight MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

19-05-2009, 12:32	#16
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Grade A Scapegoat. Those in the know will know that he was the chairman of a committee that recommended changes to the expenses system which the MPs thoroughly rejected last year. He's certainly acted like a deer in the headlights the last few weeks and he was involved in blocking the FOIA requests, neither of which has really done him any favours at all, but he was correct in getting the Police involved IMO, and in the end the MPs made the expenses claims, not him. Whether the general populace will know or even understand this is another matter. Most likely they'll take the bait. Last edited by Mark; 19-05-2009 at 12:50. Reason: Makes sense now

19-05-2009, 12:48	#17
Briggykins Vodka Martini Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Exeter Posts: 753	Yup, ridiculous. This is completely the MPs trying to divert blame away from themselves. I don't think the public are really being taken in by it tho - the callers to Five Live yesterday were virtually united in saying 'Yeah, nice try, you aren't fooling us'. __________________

19-05-2009, 13:05	#18
iCraig iCustom User Title Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,250	The texts on Radio 1 were all basically saying, "He's being used as the scapegoat, it's not all his fault" I don't think the public will buy the story, but it's not as if we can do much about it? __________________

19-05-2009, 13:15	#19
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	Nor should we really, if the bloke has taken it upon himself to throw the towel in then that fine but the important thing in my mind is that those who have abused the system and those who have let them aren't allowed to escape because of him throwing hhimself on his sword. These people are supposed to hold the most trusted positions in the land, protecting the electorate and many of them have been abusing that trust been abusing this trust, however small the think that abuse is. A lot of them need to go in my view and the sooner the better. MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

19-05-2009, 13:18	#20
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	How different the opinions here are from a certain other place. One other thing I did point out there is that I do think his position had become untenable. The Speaker is supposed to control proceedings in the House, not be the subject of them, and he had quite clearly lost control yesterday. There's no way he could let that situation continue. Still a scapegoat though in the wider context. I suspect the next Speaker, whoever that is to be, might not actually be feigning reluctance (as is tradition). How do you select a Speaker when they're almost all guilty.