Modern Warfare 2

[NokkonWud]

Originally Posted by divine

There is also the element that a particular server builds up a community of regulars, who are great guys to play with and there is always someone about. It creates a very persistent environment that can't be done with P2P, games keep rolling on, map rotations keep going, perhaps 'house rules' that can be mentioned on server join. It also allows you to play with a decent group of regulars who might be quite high in number but equally aren't necessarily people who you would want to add to a friends list to be able to find.

A very good point, I still keep in touch with some of my friends I met. It is still possible on P2P too, albeit not as easily without a designated host, but if it includes a friends list and a join session in progress command like those in Xbox Live then it will go some way to minimize the problem.

The rest of the issues do still stand though, a lot of 'control' is lost. I will be very surprised if a patch for dedicated hosting isn't fixed as soon as possible.

[Streeteh]

Originally Posted by NokkonWud

It's the nature of the PC gaming scene for cheaters to try their hands at getting an advantage. It's more of a closed system on consoles, so it's quite different. It's one of the advantages of a console that games aren't so easily hackable, that's not to say they are bulletproof, they're not, but on PC it's a massive problem if you're not going to have regulated servers.

This is probably the last reason why PC gamers are up in arms about it, even non-dedicated servers run punkbuster so hacking will be no more of an issue. The complete destruction of modding is probably fairly high on the list, seeing as CoD4: Pro mod is almost as popular as the vanilla version of cod4. Also as divine mentioned its the sense of community that a dedicated server can create, i've met some people that i have kept in touch with for over 5 years now on a random dedicated server we all frequented. There's also things like being able to rent large, reliable dedicated servers from providers for a low price to allow for clan games. Then there's the fact that dedicated servers are reliable overall in terms of connection strength, whereas random pickup games can be flakey. There's also host advantage.

The list goes on.

[Psymonkee]

Originally Posted by Haly

Very true. I miss the days of the community and 'regulars' I always used to game with in Counterstrike! Good times.
These days on the 360 I can either game with friends if I organise a specific time or just randoms, there's so little consistency. It was nice being able to drop into the game at any time of day and be guaranteed that I'd know a few people and be able to have a laugh etc.

Yeah I miss that too!

Bored, drop into a DM server and plant a few sneaky tripmines and wait for the laughter

[Haly]

I liked the pre-edit post Streeteh

Originally Posted by Psymonkee

Yeah I miss that too!

Bored, drop into a DM server and plant a few sneaky tripmines and wait for the laughter

Yeah I'd hop on for 10mins in CS and find a load of friends deciding they just want to run round knifing each other rather than play the game 'properly'

Happy days.

[Streeteh]

Originally Posted by Haly

I liked the pre-edit post Streeteh

I figured it wasn't very constructive, so expanded on it

[Haly]

[Psymonkee]

Originally Posted by Haly

I liked the pre-edit post Streeteh



Yeah I'd hop on for 10mins in CS and find a load of friends deciding they just want to run round knifing each other rather than play the game 'properly'

Happy days.

We had crowbars

Best of all was the 'Snarks and Crowbar' matches

[divine]

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archi...-response.aspx

TL,DR = Screw enthusiast gamers, we want more money from casual ones.

[Haly]

Despite having no plans to buy it on PC, I'm still rather annoyed by their decision.

[Jingo]

I used to love CS with 15 knifers vs 1 glocker - true hillarity seeing a swarm of giggling terrorists running towards you as best as they can to avoid sporadic glocking

Originally Posted by Haly

a load of friends deciding they just want to run round knifing each other rather than play the game 'properly'

Happy days.

Also reminds me of when the surfing maps first kicked off!