Gordon Brown - gone!

[Desmo]

Originally Posted by Zirax

Personally I'm not looking forward to 10%+ interest rates if that starts looking likely in a few years.

Maybe it will be done differently this time? Maybe there won't be 10%+ interest rates.

I think we'd be just as screwed with Labour and I don't think the LD's could have done anything miraculous unless they could pull cash out of their arses.

[Matblack]

Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

I remember only too well the last Tory government. Interest rates at 17%, the entire country asset stripped, 4 million on the dole, poll tax riots, traditional industries decimated e.g. coal, steel, shipbuilding etc.

I have seen nothing to make me believe the Tories have changed their spots. If you're not middle class or above, you may as well bend over now and prepare to be reamed.

Are you me?

I think the difference is Stan that we remember what a Tory government actually means for people on low to middle incomes.

I agree with some of the sentiments here and I was probably being a bit ott saying we're screwed but, under a Tory government it will be us that are screwed not the upper earners, with some many members of the Tory party including Dave and George coming from families who are amongst the richest in the country, do we really think they have our best interests at heart. Conservatisim is about making the rich richer and the poor poorer, I really believe that.

MB

[divine]

One of their first changes - increasing the limit needed for a vote of no confidence in the commons.

Conveniently, they've raised it to 55%, just above the 53% of opposition held seats, so now they can only come unstuck if they vote no confidence in themselves, even if every other MP in the commons votes no confidence.

:/

[Desmo]

Originally Posted by Matblack

I think the difference is Stan that we remember what a Tory government actually means for people on low to middle incomes.

I can now say the same about Labour and none of us can say anything about the LD's as we don't know.

I don't really go down the line of their personal backgrounds or wealth. Are you telling me that all of the LD's come from backgrounds the same as you and I? Or are most of them multi-millionaires too?

[Zirax]

Originally Posted by Desmo

Maybe it will be done differently this time? Maybe there won't be 10%+ interest rates.

I think we'd be just as screwed with Labour and I don't think the LD's could have done anything miraculous unless they could pull cash out of their arses.

Sorry if I wasn't clear but that wasn't directed at the Tories. I was worried in general how they are going to do cuts (& maybe) interest rate rises. Something that would have occur whoever was in power. We can but hope that the rates won't go through the roof.

[SCM]

Originally Posted by Matblack

Are you me?

I think the difference is Stan that we remember what a Tory government actually means for people on low to middle incomes.

I agree with some of the sentiments here and I was probably being a bit ott saying we're screwed but, under a Tory government it will be us that are screwed not the upper earners, with some many members of the Tory party including Dave and George coming from families who are amongst the richest in the country, do we really think they have our best interests at heart. Conservatisim is about making the rich richer and the poor poorer, I really believe that.

MB

I'm royaly screwed then as Scottish to boot and first in line for these efficiency ok lets be honest brutal cuts.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Desmo

Maybe it will be done differently this time? Maybe there won't be 10%+ interest rates.

I think we'd be just as screwed with Labour and I don't think the LD's could have done anything miraculous unless they could pull cash out of their arses.

Agreed.

This is a new era, it might fail, but hang on a sec... it might work.

There is no "one shoe fits all" policy in politics, concessions will have to be made at all times - I genuinely feel that with the LDs involved to the extent they are they may dilute some of the extremes of the Tories. However, I've always been on the fence between Tory and LD, but the combination of both for me is an ideal solution. Give it a chance.

[Feek]

Originally Posted by Matblack

Are you me?

I think the difference is Stan that we remember what a Tory government actually means for people on low to middle incomes.
---snip--
Conservatisim is about making the rich richer and the poor poorer, I really believe that.

That makes three of us who are the same person. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that my family income is going to drop. I remember only too well what it was like when the last Tory government was in power and I've dreaded for years that it would happen again. It may sound dramatic but I hardly slept last night, that's how this has affected me.

Originally Posted by divine

One of their first changes - increasing the limit needed for a vote of no confidence in the commons.

Conveniently, they've raised it to 55%, just above the 53% of opposition held seats, so now they can only come unstuck if they vote no confidence in themselves, even if every other MP in the commons votes no confidence.

And so it starts. [insert vicious nasty insults here]

Originally Posted by Will

Give it a chance.

Sadly we don't have a choice now.

If there was any way I could leave this country, I would now be packing my bags and heading off. Unfortunately it's not an option so I'm stuck here. I love my country but I absolutely detest the Conservative party. I'm not normally a bitter person, I am today.

[Del Lardo]

Originally Posted by Feek

That makes three of us who are the same person. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that my family income is going to drop. I remember only too well what it was like when the last Tory government was in power and I've dreaded for years that it would happen again. It may sound dramatic but I hardly slept last night, that's how this has affected me.

There are plenty of us who have been ****ed over by Labour as well. University tuition fees which meant that I left Uni with even more debt, a housing market left to spiral out of control so if you live round here you pay 40% tax yet cannot buy a house, a war that the population didn't want that was badly planned and even more badly implemented, the list goes on.

I pretty sure that my family income is going to drop as well but that's got to happen if we are going to dig ourselves out of the ****ing huge hole that we find ourselves in after 13 years of Labour government. Now I'm not going to say that some/most/all of that stuff wouldn't have happened under a Conservative government but the point is that Labour were in charge which ultimately means that they are responsible.

And so it starts. [insert vicious nasty insults here]

Because Labour didn't change constituency boundaries to help them win more seats did they? Oh wait they did

If there was any way I could leave this country, I would now be packing my bags and heading off. Unfortunately it's not an option so I'm stuck here. I love my country but I absolutely detest the Conservative party. I'm not normally a bitter person, I am today.

Serious question, where would you go? Mainland Europe & America are as ****ed as we are with Australia and NZ not too far behind, Japan's economy is struggling (as it has been for years) and even China is showing worrying signs of overheating. The only place I can think of is Canada and they have a rather strict immigration policy.

[Matblack]

You know what? I don't mind being worse off to a certain extent, we haven't had too bad a time of it over the past few years really, not a when you compare it to the 70s and 80s, I understand that we've overspent and now the pain will come.

However what really really annoys me is that when the Tories are in then its the lower and middle earners that take the pain and the rich just get richer.

They wanted to raise inheritance tax for multi millionaires and they are talking about phasing in the raising of the tax limit to £10k rather than just doing it and paying for it with some money from the rich. Now the Lib Dems might moderate that but I don't think George Osbourne is going to be slicing up his fortune to benefit us. Tories widen the gap between rich and poor and whether they have the Lib Dems to moderate them, they will still try to do what they always do. It wasn't that long ago that they dropped their plans to dismantle the NHS and make everyone who couldn't pay for health insurance a second class citizen.

If you look at their justifications for not raising NI, who's advice were they bandying around? The CEOs of major retailers, i.e. people with a shed load of cash, do you think they might want to keep their overheads low? Maybe just maybe the Tories want to make the rich richer?

MB