New ISP? - Page 7

Mark · 31-01-2007, 12:28

If that was the case, everyone would be doing that and the traffic shaping would be rendered useless. It clearly isn't useless, so therefore that must mean your suggestion doesn't work.

It did for a while though.

Desmo · 31-01-2007, 12:49

The thing is, I shouldn't have to find a way around it. I pay for a service and they keep changing the rules of that service to suit themselves. Bollox to them, I'm off.

LeperousDust · 31-01-2007, 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark

If that was the case, everyone would be doing that and the traffic shaping would be rendered useless. It clearly isn't useless, so therefore that must mean your suggestion doesn't work.

It did for a while though.

True but i would have though the majority of users don't really know what Usenet/Newsgroups/Newsreaders are, and if so realise they can use SSL to connect to these.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desmo

The thing is, I shouldn't have to find a way around it. I pay for a service and they keep changing the rules of that service to suit themselves. Bollox to them, I'm off.

That is true in itself, and i wasn't stopping you from changing

But i was asking if it bypasses their QoS traffic shaping, because next year i won't be on a uni network and we'll be being our own (cheap ass) internet which will most likely be subject to the same tactics, just wanted to know in advance if i should even bother getting cheap net, or pay up for a half decent service...

I suppose the obvious answer is you get what you pay for, but i'm a student, so don't throw that one at me

Haly · 31-01-2007, 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeperousDust

That is true in itself, and i wasn't stopping you from changing

But i was asking if it bypasses their QoS traffic shaping, because next year i won't be on a uni network and we'll be being our own (cheap ass) internet which will most likely be subject to the same tactics, just wanted to know in advance if i should even bother getting cheap net, or pay up for a half decent service...

I suppose the obvious answer is you get what you pay for, but i'm a student, so don't throw that one at me

Go with NTL then if it's available in your area, not expensive and they don't bother capping or traffic shaping (at least not as far as I've noticed).
I'd much rather pay for something half decent than have to suffer limiting my downloads.

Mark · 31-01-2007, 19:24

NTL are trialling traffic shaping in the Swansea area.

You, of all people, should know that.

And no, at least at PN, it won't bypass QoS. They have a rule that says if they don't know what it is, it's probably P2P. That's why whenever a new game pops up, there's a week or two when latency for that game goes to hell.

Haly · 31-01-2007, 19:34

Didn;'t know that but not exactly like I'm living in Swansea nor the NTL billpayer when in Swansea

Can't say I noticed over Christmas though, seemed to be getting decent speeds regardless of the time of day.

Mark · 31-01-2007, 19:46

Don't think it's much to worry about anyway (certainly not on the PN scale):

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/2...customers.html

Haly · 31-01-2007, 19:50

Ahh the 10mb users? That'll be why I didn't hear about it. On 4mb in Swansea and 2mb in Stafford. Never really been that bothered about higher, at least not so much as to pay the difference

Then again we got 4mb as a free upgrade anyhow otherwise we'd have probably stayed with 2mb.

Not too bothered then. Considering the hassle I've heard about so many ADSL providers and traffic shaping, I'm perfectly happy to stay for a good while yet.

Thanks for the info.

LeperousDust · 31-01-2007, 20:14

Gotcha mark, i suppose that kind of rule works best though, becuase if someones trying to hide something most of the time (apart from new games like you say) it is P2P or the equivalent usenet naughty stuff...

Garp · 31-01-2007, 22:55

Rumours are that Claranet is getting forced towards the prospect of bandwidth shaping for *DSL users only as DSL pipes are too expensive to justify an additional one with the number of customers we currently have. Looking at the bandwidth habits of a number of our customers we've found certain individuals that are maxing out their DSL MAX connections day in day out, and currently it looks like they'll be reminded of various clauses in their contract about 'reasonable' bandwidth use or somesuch. It was quite funny, they produced a list of the top 200 DSL platform bandwidth hogs. On that list were 3 NOC engineers, and one ex-NOC engineer

31-01-2007, 12:49	#62
Desmo The Last Airbender Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Pigmopad Posts: 11,915	The thing is, I shouldn't have to find a way around it. I pay for a service and they keep changing the rules of that service to suit themselves. Bollox to them, I'm off. __________________

31-01-2007, 19:34	#66
Haly Do you want to hide in my box? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,941	Didn;'t know that but not exactly like I'm living in Swansea nor the NTL billpayer when in Swansea Can't say I noticed over Christmas though, seemed to be getting decent speeds regardless of the time of day. __________________ Halycopter

31-01-2007, 19:50	#68
Haly Do you want to hide in my box? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,941	Ahh the 10mb users? That'll be why I didn't hear about it. On 4mb in Swansea and 2mb in Stafford. Never really been that bothered about higher, at least not so much as to pay the difference Then again we got 4mb as a free upgrade anyhow otherwise we'd have probably stayed with 2mb. Not too bothered then. Considering the hassle I've heard about so many ADSL providers and traffic shaping, I'm perfectly happy to stay for a good while yet. Thanks for the info. __________________ Halycopter

31-01-2007, 22:55	#70
Garp Preparing more tumbleweed Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 6,038	Rumours are that Claranet is getting forced towards the prospect of bandwidth shaping for DSL users only as DSL pipes are too expensive to justify an additional one with the number of customers we currently have. Looking at the bandwidth habits of a number of our customers we've found certain individuals that are maxing out their DSL MAX connections day in day out, and currently it looks like they'll be reminded of various clauses in their contract about 'reasonable' bandwidth use or somesuch. It was quite funny, they produced a list of the top 200 DSL platform bandwidth hogs. On that list were 3 NOC engineers, and one ex-NOC engineer __________________ Mal: Define "interesting"? Wash*: "Oh, God, oh, God, we're all gonna die"?

31-01-2007, 12:28	#61
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	If that was the case, everyone would be doing that and the traffic shaping would be rendered useless. It clearly isn't useless, so therefore that must mean your suggestion doesn't work. It did for a while though.

31-01-2007, 19:24	#65
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	NTL are trialling traffic shaping in the Swansea area. You, of all people, should know that. And no, at least at PN, it won't bypass QoS. They have a rule that says if they don't know what it is, it's probably P2P. That's why whenever a new game pops up, there's a week or two when latency for that game goes to hell.

31-01-2007, 19:46	#67
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Don't think it's much to worry about anyway (certainly not on the PN scale): http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/2...customers.html

31-01-2007, 20:14	#69
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Gotcha mark, i suppose that kind of rule works best though, becuase if someones trying to hide something most of the time (apart from new games like you say) it is P2P or the equivalent usenet naughty stuff...