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Matblack · 21-06-2007, 20:00

Just watched this, Michael Moore's new film about the American healthcare system. Obviously its less poignant to us in the UK than F911 or maybe even Bowling for Columbine but its certainly an eye opener!

Well worth a watch, if things are half as bad in the US system as it makes out then I really feel for them over there. I'd also say if you are going out there for a holiday for God sake make sure you have medical insurance from a UK company!

MB

NokkonWud · 21-06-2007, 20:12

The problem with Michael Moore is he's very bias, very clever and excellent at editing stuff. He very rarely states both sides of the coin, so you could never take anything at face value.

Of course, in saying that, not everything he says is a lie either.

Personally I prefer Morgan Spurlock (from Super-Size Me fame) in his series, 30 days, he's much more open about things than Mr. Moore.

Matblack · 21-06-2007, 20:27

There is a definite truth behind what Moore says, that if you can't pay for your healthcare in the US then you won't get it, he uses impact to make his point and edits accordingly but its difficult to refute that what he says about the US system is made up to fit his own agenda.

Moore is no saint and spins a story to make a watch able and provocative movie. If you write this effort off 'because it's Moore' then write off the propaganda you hear from the right too, which is harder to do because it comes out of the mouths of the US president

MB

Del Lardo · 21-06-2007, 20:53

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Nice ENORMOUS sig btw MB, have a care for those of us on dinky screens!

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Mark · 21-06-2007, 21:06

Anyway, yes Michael Moore is a man with his own agenda (well, who isn't), and after all the F911 crap he's not very high on my 'must watch' list (I have a pet hate - and it's conspiracy theorists - sorry if that offends anyone here, but they do my nut in).[/quote]

Haly · 21-06-2007, 21:07

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Originally Posted by kitten_caboodle

I like his books, specially Stupid White Men.

Same here, I take his stuff with a pinch of salt but I'd say I do that with most things anyway, just find them enjoyable and interesting reads.

Matblack · 21-06-2007, 21:09

Deja Vu here, we've had this discussion before and at the time I'm pretty sure I pointed out that F911 isn't actually about conspiracy theory. :/ And at that point I seem to remember you hadn't seen it, have you seen it now?

MB

Mark · 21-06-2007, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Matblack

Deja Vu here, we've had this discussion before and at the time I'm pretty sure I pointed out that F911 isn't actually about conspiracy theory. :/ And at that point I seem to remember you hadn't seen it, have you seen it now?

No I haven't, and I'm not going to either. I don't know what F911 is about beyond the obvious. However, I didn't say F911 was about conspiracy theories, I said Michael Moore was. I did put 'F911' and 'crap' next to each other there and I accept I might be wrong in that department.

Matblack · 21-06-2007, 21:31

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Originally Posted by Mark

No I haven't, and I'm not going to either. I don't know what F911 is about beyond the obvious. However, I didn't say F911 was about conspiracy theories, I said Michael Moore was. I did put 'F911' and 'crap' next to each other there and I accept I might be wrong in that department.

I don't understand how you can make accusation about a film you haven't seen, where does this 'Moore is a conspiracy theorist' stuff come from, show me some evidence maybe I will read it and accept that he's a charlatan.

MB

Mark · 21-06-2007, 21:38

OK, I'm going to hold my hands up and surrender on this. I'll just state that I don't like Michael Moore. That's based on rumour and supposition 99% of which may well be bull****, but I'm not inclined to go digging around to find out. Call me an ostrich if you like.

Your (and his) point about the US health service is, for the most part, correct.

21-06-2007, 20:00	#1
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	SiCKO Just watched this, Michael Moore's new film about the American healthcare system. Obviously its less poignant to us in the UK than F911 or maybe even Bowling for Columbine but its certainly an eye opener! Well worth a watch, if things are half as bad in the US system as it makes out then I really feel for them over there. I'd also say if you are going out there for a holiday for God sake make sure you have medical insurance from a UK company! MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

21-06-2007, 20:12	#2
NokkonWud BD Recruitment Officer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Smogville Posts: 3,880	The problem with Michael Moore is he's very bias, very clever and excellent at editing stuff. He very rarely states both sides of the coin, so you could never take anything at face value. Of course, in saying that, not everything he says is a lie either. Personally I prefer Morgan Spurlock (from Super-Size Me fame) in his series, 30 days, he's much more open about things than Mr. Moore. __________________

21-06-2007, 20:27	#3
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	There is a definite truth behind what Moore says, that if you can't pay for your healthcare in the US then you won't get it, he uses impact to make his point and edits accordingly but its difficult to refute that what he says about the US system is made up to fit his own agenda. Moore is no saint and spins a story to make a watch able and provocative movie. If you write this effort off 'because it's Moore' then write off the propaganda you hear from the right too, which is harder to do because it comes out of the mouths of the US president MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

21-06-2007, 21:09	#7
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	Deja Vu here, we've had this discussion before and at the time I'm pretty sure I pointed out that F911 isn't actually about conspiracy theory. :/ And at that point I seem to remember you hadn't seen it, have you seen it now? MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

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21-06-2007, 21:06	#5
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Anyway, yes Michael Moore is a man with his own agenda (well, who isn't), and after all the F911 crap he's not very high on my 'must watch' list (I have a pet hate - and it's conspiracy theorists - sorry if that offends anyone here, but they do my nut in).[/quote]

21-06-2007, 21:38	#10
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	OK, I'm going to hold my hands up and surrender on this. I'll just state that I don't like Michael Moore. That's based on rumour and supposition 99% of which may well be bull****, but I'm not inclined to go digging around to find out. Call me an ostrich if you like. Your (and his) point about the US health service is, for the most part, correct.