Bubbles in space.. or did China fake their space mission?

Garp · 10-02-2009, 19:30

Kinda interesting viewing. Wonder who they thought they were fooling?

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/chin...walk-5809.html Interview with chinese scientist at NASA.

Glaucus · 10-02-2009, 19:39

Just like the fake moon landings utter crap. Those "bubles" could easily be water/ice droplets. The flag is a pointless thing.
The lights are interesting, but could be from the space craft.

Justsomebloke · 10-02-2009, 19:43

Not very convincing to be honest & more funny that it looked like the astronaut was Farting & they kept rewinding it

Garp · 10-02-2009, 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcidHell2

Just like the fake moon landings utter crap. Those "bubles" could easily be water/ice droplets. The flag is a pointless thing.
The lights are interesting, but could be from the space craft.

Read the linked article.

Why would water particles be released after several minutes of normalised air pressure of the cabin and space? Debris should be released at the start when depressurisation occurs and the doors were opened. Why would the particles be increasing in speed in a zero atmosphere environment? That would imply some form of integrated propulsion. Why would they be increasing in size too?

Glaucus · 10-02-2009, 19:52

Have nasa released anything?

Things look different in space and many of the things you have said like teh bubles accelerating. Don;t look liek they are to me.

the Clouds and the lack of atmosphere is much more interesting. But still would be nice if nasa released something.

Lack of atmosphere and no clouds. But then it does not look like it was filmed under water either. where the blue hue on everything, if it was filmed under water.

Mondo · 10-02-2009, 23:13

It is certainly interesting, the water thing could be anything, what was really interesting was the clouds speed, there is no way to explain that one except the entire video is sped up.

iCraig · 10-02-2009, 23:53

Mark · 11-02-2009, 00:39

Indeed. Garp, please don't buy into this conspiracy nonsense.

Particles can be released days or even weeks after launch - anything from thruster firings to thermal expansion to an astronaut bumping into a bulkhead can liberate stuff.

One classic example of just how easily the most unexpected things can trigger unusual structural behaviour: IIRC, NASA discovered that one particular astronaut's exercise technique on the on-board equipment was setting up sympathetic oscillations through the structure, leading to the solar arrays bouncing around.

Garp · 11-02-2009, 01:11

Okay, so if we ignore the bubbles, still unexplained:

Why did the clouds change so rapidly behind them?

What was going on with the light arrays? Where did the massive multi-light reflected ones disappear?

Why did the flag move in such a bizarre way? I've been pondering that one most. Some silly idiots have commented "no wind in space for the flag to flap".. but ignoring that foolishness, why did it randomly move about so much when the astronaut was holding it? Even when stopped moving it would randomly go in a different direction to before. Would solar wind cause that much movement?

Why is the audio so clear, when previous chinese space missions have had the same problem with background noise as NASA and Russia?

I do want to make it clear: I'm not denying China got a rocket into space, or NASA, or Russia, or any such thing. It's just this spacewalk that doesn't add up.

Mark · 11-02-2009, 02:50

Flags behaving oddly is a conspiracy theorist favourite. The same thing happened with the moon landings - everyone spotted the flag doing odd things and immediately cried foul.

The audio issue is a difficult one too. It is possible to have high quality live audio in space. NASA have done it, but it's a recent innovation (last year or two), and they've only done it from inside the ISS. It also needs a fair chunk of bandwidth which NASA have to ration (China, presumably, wouldn't have this problem as they'd just throw money at it like they did with the Olympics). If the Chinese suits are tethered (as the early US and Russian ones were) then the US technique would work for them too.

Having said that, now I've watched the video (didn't have chance before), the thing that stood out for me was the movement of the earth in the background. That's very odd indeed and I have no explanation.

Of course, the big problem I have is with the agenda. How did we get from pointing out issues with the spacewalk to saying the whole thing was fake?

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Garp Preparing more tumbleweed Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 6,038	Bubbles in space.. or did China fake their space mission? Kinda interesting viewing. Wonder who they thought they were fooling? http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/chin...walk-5809.html Interview with chinese scientist at NASA. __________________ Mal: Define "interesting"? Wash: "Oh, God, oh, God, we're all gonna die"? Last edited by Garp; 10-02-2009 at 19:33.

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Glaucus Absinthe Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,855	Just like the fake moon landings utter crap. Those "bubles" could easily be water/ice droplets. The flag is a pointless thing. The lights are interesting, but could be from the space craft. __________________

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Justsomebloke The Night Worker Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,228	Not very convincing to be honest & more funny that it looked like the astronaut was Farting & they kept rewinding it __________________

10-02-2009, 19:52	#5
Glaucus Absinthe Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,855	Have nasa released anything? Things look different in space and many of the things you have said like teh bubles accelerating. Don;t look liek they are to me. the Clouds and the lack of atmosphere is much more interesting. But still would be nice if nasa released something. Lack of atmosphere and no clouds. But then it does not look like it was filmed under water either. where the blue hue on everything, if it was filmed under water. __________________

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Mondo Absinthe Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,174	It is certainly interesting, the water thing could be anything, what was really interesting was the clouds speed, there is no way to explain that one except the entire video is sped up. __________________ My Website / MSN / Email / Flickr / Blog

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11-02-2009, 00:39	#8
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Indeed. Garp, please don't buy into this conspiracy nonsense. Particles can be released days or even weeks after launch - anything from thruster firings to thermal expansion to an astronaut bumping into a bulkhead can liberate stuff. One classic example of just how easily the most unexpected things can trigger unusual structural behaviour: IIRC, NASA discovered that one particular astronaut's exercise technique on the on-board equipment was setting up sympathetic oscillations through the structure, leading to the solar arrays bouncing around.

11-02-2009, 01:11	#9
Garp Preparing more tumbleweed Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 6,038	Okay, so if we ignore the bubbles, still unexplained: Why did the clouds change so rapidly behind them? What was going on with the light arrays? Where did the massive multi-light reflected ones disappear? Why did the flag move in such a bizarre way? I've been pondering that one most. Some silly idiots have commented "no wind in space for the flag to flap".. but ignoring that foolishness, why did it randomly move about so much when the astronaut was holding it? Even when stopped moving it would randomly go in a different direction to before. Would solar wind cause that much movement? Why is the audio so clear, when previous chinese space missions have had the same problem with background noise as NASA and Russia? I do want to make it clear: I'm not denying China got a rocket into space, or NASA, or Russia, or any such thing. It's just this spacewalk that doesn't add up. __________________ Mal: Define "interesting"? Wash: "Oh, God, oh, God, we're all gonna die"?

11-02-2009, 02:50	#10
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Flags behaving oddly is a conspiracy theorist favourite. The same thing happened with the moon landings - everyone spotted the flag doing odd things and immediately cried foul. The audio issue is a difficult one too. It is possible to have high quality live audio in space. NASA have done it, but it's a recent innovation (last year or two), and they've only done it from inside the ISS. It also needs a fair chunk of bandwidth which NASA have to ration (China, presumably, wouldn't have this problem as they'd just throw money at it like they did with the Olympics). If the Chinese suits are tethered (as the early US and Russian ones were) then the US technique would work for them too. Having said that, now I've watched the video (didn't have chance before), the thing that stood out for me was the movement of the earth in the background. That's very odd indeed and I have no explanation. Of course, the big problem I have is with the agenda. How did we get from pointing out issues with the spacewalk to saying the whole thing was fake?

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