iPhone 3G[s]

leowyatt · 09-06-2009, 07:24

Seems to me the wow stuff was done when the phone launched. Since then they've been working backwards. As a good friend said last night about voice dialing. "Welcome to 2000"!

Robert · 09-06-2009, 07:32

Very true but I think they've virtually all of the software boxes now.

Burble · 09-06-2009, 08:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by leowyatt

As a good friend said last night about voice dialing. "Welcome to 2000"!

He sounds like a right sarcastic git!

Davey_Pitch · 09-06-2009, 09:03

I want the 32GB version of the new iPhone but O2 are charging £280 for it and it's out of my price range. The 16GB will be £185 on the £35 a month tariff, which is possibly affordable, but I may wait until closer to the wedding so it's cheaper to break out of my Orange contract.

Matblack · 09-06-2009, 09:15

I've moved these in here because I suspect there will be some iPhone discussion for a while.

Heres my take.

The announcement yesterday was overall what I was expecting, I'd like to have seen a few more innovative changes and I have a feeling that many of these will appear over the next 1-2 years. The iPhone hardware seems to have caught up with the software now and we have what is essentially a reasonable phone operating at a reasonable speed and doing things that phones have been doing for years like voice dial and cut and paste. The iPhone prior to this was really an iTouch with a phone rather than a phone which also did other things, so its understandable why things considered essentials on 'phones' have been late to appear.

I can understand why a lot of people are disappointed, yesterday wasn't the revelation the rumour mill had built but a product announcement to consolidate Apple's position, the G3[s] will save them money, no need to invest in new tooling or go through too much stress testing as its a known and OS3 has been in testing for a while. The compass is nice as is the faster processor but as I say it’s not a revelation. I'm expecting bigger things in the next two years as the economy comes back up. This doesn’t mean it won’t sell, things like the new TomTom support and the app store will keep a steady influx of new customers.

The big bugbear here is not a lack of innovation nor in fact is it Apple themselves it’s their carriers and how they are dealing with the introduction of the 3G[s]. I believe they were expecting a brand new phone, just like a lot of Apple fans and had decided to capitalise and bump the pricing a bit and make people pay through the nose for an upgrade because they knew they would be salivating for a new toy.

O2 have priced the 32Gb at £280 on top of an 18 month contract commitment and it would seem they are demanding a full contract buy out for existing iPhone users who are still in their last contract period; costing some early adopters of the 3G up to £450+ to upgrade again. Couple this with an extra £15-20 if you want to use Apples newly introduced tethering (phone as modem) despite the contract including ‘unlimited’ internet access and this is a major expense in a troubled time. O2 didn't do themselves any favours by setting a precedent upgrade path to the 3G. I suspect there are reasons why they did this; the original iPhone was crippled by its lack of 3G, as an internet heavy phone GPRS just wasn't fast enough and the 3G was almost more like a product recall than an upgrade!

There is already a lot of moaning on Twitter about O2 and I expect this to continue but I also suspect O2 are smiling to themselves, creaming off cash from people desperate to upgrade a perfectly good 3G to a 3G[s] taking a steady stream of new customers who aren’t trapped in a contract (me) and grinning behind their hands at the super rich who will pay for tethering but won’t know how to use it properly.

The 3G[s] has been turned from a crowd pleaser to a Marmite phone by the carriers who are looking to maximise profit in troubled times whether they will kill the goose that laid the golden egg remains to be seen, its unlikely but they may leave a lot of fanboys weeping into their iPints in the meantime.

MB

Will · 09-06-2009, 09:21

I have to say I haven't looked back since getting my iphone - it's been brilliant and I do things with it that I wanted to do with my old phones (just not as easily). I used to love the windows mobiles, but they are so clunky to set up and use, for me the interface is exactly what I want from a phone, simplicity. The fact that I can browse the net, use it as an ipod and install useful apps on it is such a huge trump card. It's not the best telephone out there, and suffers the same quirks from any cellular device and for people who only need a phone to text and talk then it's crap. If you use it for what it was designed for then it's sheer genius.

Belmit · 09-06-2009, 09:28

I haven't had the time to check out all the new little upgrades this phone has, but after I've updated my 3G with next week's 3.0 rollout, what differences will there be between mine and a brand new 3Gs?

Matblack · 09-06-2009, 09:32

I'll be buying one, I'll suck it up and pay the price for a 32Gb model with the new revisions and then I'll probably be upset when they release a model with many of the mooted changes in a years time and I have to wait six months to upgrade, I'll be jumping on the Apple bandwagon with my eyes wide open. But as you say Will this phone does what I need and it does it smoothly, the TomTom availability is the icing on the cake for me.

Windows Mobile was like a pretty Catholic girl, it held a lot of promise but you had to commit a lot of time and fidlling to get what you really wanted out of it. I'm too old to be fidling and I want a phone that will give up the goods as soon as possible

MB

Matblack · 09-06-2009, 09:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belmit

I haven't had the time to check out all the new little upgrades this phone has, but after I've updated my 3G with next week's 3.0 rollout, what differences will there be between mine and a brand new 3Gs?

You'll be missing the compass, the faster processor, the slightly better camera with video and thats about it to be honest.

MB

Belmit · 09-06-2009, 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matblack

I want a phone that will give up the goods as soon as possible

And you're willing to pay through the nose for it? Shall we extrapolate the anthropomorphic analogy?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matblack

You'll be missing the compass, the faster processor, the slightly better camera with video and thats about it to be honest.

Ah, so in other words 'Big Whoop'.

That's good.

09-06-2009, 07:24	#1
leowyatt Chef extraordinaire Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Infinite Loop Posts: 11,143	iPhone 3G[s] Seems to me the wow stuff was done when the phone launched. Since then they've been working backwards. As a good friend said last night about voice dialing. "Welcome to 2000"! __________________ "Dr Sheldon Cooper FTW!"

09-06-2009, 09:03	#4
Davey_Pitch I iz speshul Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 6,296	I want the 32GB version of the new iPhone but O2 are charging £280 for it and it's out of my price range. The 16GB will be £185 on the £35 a month tariff, which is possibly affordable, but I may wait until closer to the wedding so it's cheaper to break out of my Orange contract. __________________ Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine as children do. It's not just in some of us; it is in everyone. And as we let our own lights shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. Last edited by Davey_Pitch; 09-06-2009 at 09:09.

09-06-2009, 09:15	#5
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	I've moved these in here because I suspect there will be some iPhone discussion for a while. Heres my take. The announcement yesterday was overall what I was expecting, I'd like to have seen a few more innovative changes and I have a feeling that many of these will appear over the next 1-2 years. The iPhone hardware seems to have caught up with the software now and we have what is essentially a reasonable phone operating at a reasonable speed and doing things that phones have been doing for years like voice dial and cut and paste. The iPhone prior to this was really an iTouch with a phone rather than a phone which also did other things, so its understandable why things considered essentials on 'phones' have been late to appear. I can understand why a lot of people are disappointed, yesterday wasn't the revelation the rumour mill had built but a product announcement to consolidate Apple's position, the G3[s] will save them money, no need to invest in new tooling or go through too much stress testing as its a known and OS3 has been in testing for a while. The compass is nice as is the faster processor but as I say it’s not a revelation. I'm expecting bigger things in the next two years as the economy comes back up. This doesn’t mean it won’t sell, things like the new TomTom support and the app store will keep a steady influx of new customers. The big bugbear here is not a lack of innovation nor in fact is it Apple themselves it’s their carriers and how they are dealing with the introduction of the 3G[s]. I believe they were expecting a brand new phone, just like a lot of Apple fans and had decided to capitalise and bump the pricing a bit and make people pay through the nose for an upgrade because they knew they would be salivating for a new toy. O2 have priced the 32Gb at £280 on top of an 18 month contract commitment and it would seem they are demanding a full contract buy out for existing iPhone users who are still in their last contract period; costing some early adopters of the 3G up to £450+ to upgrade again. Couple this with an extra £15-20 if you want to use Apples newly introduced tethering (phone as modem) despite the contract including ‘unlimited’ internet access and this is a major expense in a troubled time. O2 didn't do themselves any favours by setting a precedent upgrade path to the 3G. I suspect there are reasons why they did this; the original iPhone was crippled by its lack of 3G, as an internet heavy phone GPRS just wasn't fast enough and the 3G was almost more like a product recall than an upgrade! There is already a lot of moaning on Twitter about O2 and I expect this to continue but I also suspect O2 are smiling to themselves, creaming off cash from people desperate to upgrade a perfectly good 3G to a 3G[s] taking a steady stream of new customers who aren’t trapped in a contract (me) and grinning behind their hands at the super rich who will pay for tethering but won’t know how to use it properly. The 3G[s] has been turned from a crowd pleaser to a Marmite phone by the carriers who are looking to maximise profit in troubled times whether they will kill the goose that laid the golden egg remains to be seen, its unlikely but they may leave a lot of fanboys weeping into their iPints in the meantime. MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

09-06-2009, 09:21	#6
Will BBx woz 'ere :P Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2,147,487,208	I have to say I haven't looked back since getting my iphone - it's been brilliant and I do things with it that I wanted to do with my old phones (just not as easily). I used to love the windows mobiles, but they are so clunky to set up and use, for me the interface is exactly what I want from a phone, simplicity. The fact that I can browse the net, use it as an ipod and install useful apps on it is such a huge trump card. It's not the best telephone out there, and suffers the same quirks from any cellular device and for people who only need a phone to text and talk then it's crap. If you use it for what it was designed for then it's sheer genius. __________________ *No No!*

09-06-2009, 09:28	#7
Belmit The Mouse King of Denmark Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Winchester Posts: 6,476	I haven't had the time to check out all the new little upgrades this phone has, but after I've updated my 3G with next week's 3.0 rollout, what differences will there be between mine and a brand new 3Gs? __________________

09-06-2009, 07:32	#2
Robert Chump!!! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: North West Posts: 993	Very true but I think they've virtually all of the software boxes now.

09-06-2009, 09:32	#8
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	I'll be buying one, I'll suck it up and pay the price for a 32Gb model with the new revisions and then I'll probably be upset when they release a model with many of the mooted changes in a years time and I have to wait six months to upgrade, I'll be jumping on the Apple bandwagon with my eyes wide open. But as you say Will this phone does what I need and it does it smoothly, the TomTom availability is the icing on the cake for me. Windows Mobile was like a pretty Catholic girl, it held a lot of promise but you had to commit a lot of time and fidlling to get what you really wanted out of it. I'm too old to be fidling and I want a phone that will give up the goods as soon as possible MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

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