Gordon Brown - gone! - Page 6

Mark · 12-05-2010, 22:31

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Originally Posted by Matblack

And with all that in mind, (global melt down) actually, and many people would probably want to burn me at the stake for this, Brown didn't do a bad job

Brown certainly didn't do a bad job after the **** hit the fan. Before? He caused a good deal of the problems we've got now. UK economy was doing really well 2002-2006, yet he was still running a budget deficit. WTF? If you don't pay off debts when you're doing well, you're ****ed once the wheels come off - and that's exactly what's happened.

Indeed, GB said this himself in the early years, as well as the later classic 'end to boom and bust'. Then there's the housing bubble, the banking bubble, and so on. Of course, he did 'fix' the NHS, which was desperately needed, so it's far from all bad.

Apparently the gap between rich and poor has widened continuously since the 80s, probably even the 70s. That's both Tory and Labour covered then.

I'm prepared to give the Liberal Conservatives a chance. Indeed, it was the result I'd hoped for. Consensus politics FTW. Undoubtedly it'll hit me in the pocket, but that was to be expected.

Will · 12-05-2010, 22:58

I'd rather it hit my back pocket a little and they sort the problems out of the country, than they do sod all and let the country fall apart more.

Stan_Lite · 13-05-2010, 04:43

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Originally Posted by Will

I'd rather it hit my back pocket a little and they sort the problems out of the country, than they do sod all and let the country fall apart more.

On that, at least, we agree. My concern is how the Tories will use any extra they take from me. Hopefully, they'll take some advice from their LibDem buddies.

TinkerBell · 13-05-2010, 06:54

I have to 100% agree with Will and Paul. You can't just the tory's yet,when you don't know how it will pan out. This country needs to be sorted out, if it isn't we are going to be in big trouble.

Del Lardo · 13-05-2010, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

On that, at least, we agree. My concern is how the Tories will use any extra they take from me. Hopefully, they'll take some advice from their LibDem buddies.

I was never a fan of George Osbourne so I was happy to hear that Vince Cable would be helping out. Funny given all the focus on Camerons education during the election that no-one mentioned that Vince Cable went to Cambridge

volospian · 19-05-2010, 13:50

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Originally Posted by Mark

Of course, he did 'fix' the NHS, which was desperately needed, so it's far from all bad.

I worked for the NHS for six years under Labour and I got to see what it was like on the inside...

In my 6 years my experience was this... The move to PCT's was a shambles, cost millions and then had to be restructured at another huge cost, the shared service model brought no tangible benefits and had to be restructured, again at huge cost, NPfIT cost millions, didn't work and had to be rebadged, millions was spent on "lesser" IT projects that nobody used (such as nhsmail) and when I went to see the cardiologist 2 months ago, she filled in a load of paper forms and asked me to hand them to the receptionist on the way out.

Labour wasted most of the money they spent on the NHS, imho

Mark · 19-05-2010, 20:17

Indeed they did - no denying that - but at least they reversed the systematic under-investment, and that was sorely needed.

Going back the other way again now though. Last year I could get next day appointments at the docs. Last week I had to book a week in advance to see my GP (and actually didn't see my GP, though I don't mind that as I got some better answers).

volospian · 20-05-2010, 08:58

My GP won't book you in advance for anything. Even when the GP requests that you return after tests, you have to ring in the morning and wait.

Also, I had some tests a couple of months ago and the GP said to return if the tests were clear, to explore other avenues. I rang up the surgery to ask about the results and was told "the tests are clear, you don't need to come back" by the receptionist. I said "I think I do" and she was like "No, your tests are clear, you don't need to see anybody..." WTF does she know? Some jumped up answerphone telling me that I don't need to see the doctor when the doc herself told me that I did. I had to argue with her, and even then she said "well, you'll have to ring back tomorrow morning at 7:30am....

They seem bloody desperate to stop you seeing a doctor nowadays

Tak · 20-05-2010, 09:05

When we moved and I had to change doctors I got told you no longer register with a specific doctor, you register with the surgery and you no longer get an NHS/doctors card (which for many things use to be a valid form of ID :/ )
My surgery has started "promoting" the fact that you can now book appointments 3 weeks in advance, but that is a new thing.

Nutcase · 20-05-2010, 13:12

When I moved (0.75 miles) I had to change doctor. I pointed out that I ask for an appointment on average once per 5 years or so, no dice.

New doctor was a complete waste of space. Almost impossible to get appointments, and when I did go in he seemed to be trying to get me in and out within a minute - after waiting over an hour past the appointment time.

So I registered with Em's doctor, who is 25 miles away. No problem getting an appointment, but what they do is book about 10 people in per hour and the first to arrive gets number 1, second 2 etc. and they get seen in that order. He gives as much time as needed, and still doesn't go into the next hour's time.

12-05-2010, 22:58	#52
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TinkerBell Dirty Spammer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In the middle! Posts: 2,454	I have to 100% agree with Will and Paul. You can't just the tory's yet,when you don't know how it will pan out. This country needs to be sorted out, if it isn't we are going to be in big trouble. __________________

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19-05-2010, 20:17	#57
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Indeed they did - no denying that - but at least they reversed the systematic under-investment, and that was sorely needed. Going back the other way again now though. Last year I could get next day appointments at the docs. Last week I had to book a week in advance to see my GP (and actually didn't see my GP, though I don't mind that as I got some better answers).

20-05-2010, 08:58	#58
volospian Vodka Martini Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 786	My GP won't book you in advance for anything. Even when the GP requests that you return after tests, you have to ring in the morning and wait. Also, I had some tests a couple of months ago and the GP said to return if the tests were clear, to explore other avenues. I rang up the surgery to ask about the results and was told "the tests are clear, you don't need to come back" by the receptionist. I said "I think I do" and she was like "No, your tests are clear, you don't need to see anybody..." WTF does she know? Some jumped up answerphone telling me that I don't need to see the doctor when the doc herself told me that I did. I had to argue with her, and even then she said "well, you'll have to ring back tomorrow morning at 7:30am.... They seem bloody desperate to stop you seeing a doctor nowadays

20-05-2010, 13:12	#60
Nutcase Moonshine Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chelmsford, innit! Posts: 3,979	When I moved (0.75 miles) I had to change doctor. I pointed out that I ask for an appointment on average once per 5 years or so, no dice. New doctor was a complete waste of space. Almost impossible to get appointments, and when I did go in he seemed to be trying to get me in and out within a minute - after waiting over an hour past the appointment time. So I registered with Em's doctor, who is 25 miles away. No problem getting an appointment, but what they do is book about 10 people in per hour and the first to arrive gets number 1, second 2 etc. and they get seen in that order. He gives as much time as needed, and still doesn't go into the next hour's time.