Is it me or... (possibly NSFW... probably not though)

[Mondo]

Originally Posted by Pheebs

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b) From the people I have met and spoken with - I think there is a surprisingly large amount of ladies who, although look fab, feel like they look poo. Yes some who do feel poo look poo but please don't forget those who genuinely have a crap time about their body and DO put in a lot of effort to change it. I, for one, am one of those people. I try really hard. REALLY hard.

But you look Fab Pheebs and you should believe it, i think that a lot of these women who think they look poo just need to believe in themselves. Sounds like it is less of a physical thing and more a mental thing.

[Jonny69]

I hope DP doesn't mean Double Penetrated

[goldilocks]

Originally Posted by Pheebs

Sorry to hassle buuuut you've not really answered my last post about risk? I don't get the risk of having "larger" sized models (please note when I say larger I mean larger than a bean pole not obese)? Like... why would it be risky to say, have the two models mubs posted posing in the Ann Summers catalogue?

risky in the fact (only) that it is deviation from a so far successful campaign.
i don't imagine that any successful, money making ad campaign would be scrapped and altered just because a radical change *could* possibly make them a little more popular
no matter what the general consensus is to the advert / brochure (it seems pretty negative judging from on here / what you've said about parties) - people are still spending their money!
even if it is unpopular - they are still making money, which is what it's all about

and why not have obese women model? if these thin women are making *some* women feel bad about themselves in the shown items - surely they would have the reverse effect and sales would go through the roof! (?!?)

[Del Lardo]

phew! That was an interesting read.

couple of comments......

I have to agree with Mr 69 that I'm fed up with hearing about overweight (and I'm not talking about women with a few sexy curves) women complaining about how the media makes them feel bad about themselves while they sit on their arse stuffing a cake down their throat* For the vast majority of people losing weight is simply a case of eating vaguely sensibly and doing a bit of exercise. It's not that hard. I used to be a fat barsteward and dropped a lot of weight quickly simply by eating sensibly and exercising a couple of times a week.

Secondly, Pheebs, have you fed this info back into AS? Surely this is the kind of info they need to receive in order to improve their sales?






*Gross over simplification I know

[Pheebs]

Originally Posted by goldilocks

risky in the fact (only) that it is deviation from a so far successful campaign.
i don't imagine that any successful, money making ad campaign would be scrapped and altered just because a radical change *could* possibly make them a little more popular
no matter what the general consensus is to the advert / brochure (it seems pretty negative judging from on here / what you've said about parties) - people are still spending their money!
even if it is unpopular - they are still making money, which is what it's all about

and why not have obese women model? if these thin women are making *some* women feel bad about themselves in the shown items - surely they would have the reverse effect and sales would go through the roof! (?!?)

They wouldn't be altering it all though - only a small section of their ads... not exactly the biggest risk they could take? I still don't see why it would be a risk either! The women would just be more averaged sized wearing the same undies as what was going to be advertised! They'd still make money - if not more!

I think you're being a little sarcy here saying about obesity and that sales would go through the roof (no need to be really) but I will respond anyway. I personally don't think they should have obese models because of health issues. I'm all for the larger model/more averaged sized model as it's still a healthy size/weight etc... I just think obese would advocate the wrong message. If you look at the extreme effects of people looking at skinny models (making them feel pressured to be skinny and in some cases not being the cause but supporting their actions when bringing on eating disorders) I think the same would happen the other way around (aid eating disorders)

Kind of obvious the response really no?

Originally Posted by Del Lardo

phew! That was an interesting read.

couple of comments......

I have to agree with Mr 69 that I'm fed up with hearing about overweight (and I'm not talking about women with a few sexy curves) women complaining about how the media makes them feel bad about themselves while they sit on their arse stuffing a cake down their throat* For the vast majority of people losing weight is simply a case of eating vaguely sensibly and doing a bit of exercise. It's not that hard. I used to be a fat barsteward and dropped a lot of weight quickly simply by eating sensibly and exercising a couple of times a week.

Secondly, Pheebs, have you fed this info back into AS? Surely this is the kind of info they need to receive in order to improve their sales?






*Gross over simplification I know

I am putting together a bit of a campaign at the moment We'll see what happens!

Just out of curiosity Del Lardo - I'm not over weight. I'm smack bang in the middle of average (though in the past two years I've floated between being on the edge of underweight and average) and I exercise daily and... although I gorged my face in pizza last night (so much so I actually felt sick - but it was a treat ) I eat healthily.... yet the media puts an IMMENSE amount of pressure on me to look "perfect". Sometimes I can feel like the most muntiest of munters in the world when I see these images of people - especially when you see (as stated in previous post) things like "oh no! Geri Haliwell has put on weight and not shaken it after the birth of her child!" and stupid things like that. I try to avoid stuff like this - I read science mags and sensible news papers... but it's impossible as it's everywhere.

So what about the likes of me? Surely I count for something other than a bun eating whinge meister

[Mondo]

Note regarding the media pressure, just don't watch TV, pay no attention to Fashion Magazines or Z List Celebrities. So call pressure are not from the media at all, they are only pressure because you let them be. You eat healthily, you know it, you know that you are in your ideal weight, then be happy about that, why let the media dictate you?

Be yourself.

[Pheebs]

"Just" don't watch TV?!!?! I *LOVE* films! I love love love love LOVE them! I love certain tv series and adore comedy shows too. So to avoid TV altogether... well that would be a bit of a bummer for me!

Media doesn't dictate me but it certainly influences me. To avoid it altogether is.... well near impossible!

I don't want to go off onto this subject as such because it's slightly off topic (Ann Summers and their models) but although I am myself all the time, I can't help but feel it's not good enough and *always* compare myself to these stupidly skeleton shaped bints. A fault of my own I agree, but something I can't yet control and I know others struggle with too.

Media sucks bum. It's part of the reason I dipped out of it after dabbing in radio and seeing whether it would be worth my effort to try and work in TV. It's... well a nightmare. But... that's a completely different thread altogether

[BBx]

Originally Posted by Mondo

Note regarding the media pressure, just don't watch TV, pay no attention to Fashion Magazines or Z List Celebrities. So call pressure are not from the media at all, they are only pressure because you let them be. You eat healthily, you know it, you know that you are in your ideal weight, then be happy about that, why let the media dictate you?

Be yourself.

Easier said than done.

BB x

[Del Lardo]

Originally Posted by Pheebs

Just out of curiosity Del Lardo - I'm not over weight. I'm smack bang in the middle of average (though in the past two years I've floated between being on the edge of underweight and average) and I exercise daily and... although I gorged my face in pizza last night (so much so I actually felt sick - but it was a treat ) I eat healthily.... yet the media puts an IMMENSE amount of pressure on me to look "perfect". Sometimes I can feel like the most muntiest of munters in the world when I see these images of people - especially when you see (as stated in previous post) things like "oh no! Geri Haliwell has put on weight and not shaken it after the birth of her child!" and stupid things like that. I try to avoid stuff like this - I read science mags and sensible news papers... but it's impossible as it's everywhere.

So what about the likes of me? Surely I count for something other than a bun eating whinge meister

You say that "the media" puts the pressure on you to look perfect but all it does is show thin women with big boobies and you put the pressure on yourself.

I realise that articles like How to look great in a Bikini can make you feel like you need to look like a stick insect but that is your interpretation rather than them stating that you need to. I read Mens Heath occasionally and there's always articles on How to get the Perfect Six Pack but I am perfectly happy with my little beer barrel


I understand what you are saying but I really don't understand why it affects women so much. Guess it's because our brains are wired differently or possibly that I have a massive surplus of (somewhat unwarranted) self esteem


EDIT: I just want to improve a couple my examples.

To the best of my knowledge Heat Magazine has never run an article entitled 'Pheebs Packs on 2lb after stuffing her face with Pizza' so they are not putting the pressure on you as (and please don't this the wrong way) very few people care about what you look like. Articles like 'Geri is still fat after her baby' put pressure on the celebrity as for reasons unknown to me a lot of people seem to care. You then take this in and think well if all these people care if Geri is carrying a bit of extra weight then they must care if I am carrying a bit of extra weight. The reality is that they don't and the only people who would notice or care are the people closest to you and they are the ones you need to listen to.

Going back to the Mens Health example I see these guys with 6 packs and think "God! They must have spent loads of time in the gym, think of all the pies and beer they could have enjoyed instead". Next time you see a picture of a skinny girl that makes you feel like a munter just think of all the yummy pizza and chocolate she's had to miss out on. I think it'll make you feel better

[Gnat]

I think that whatever size models they used, SOMEBODY is going to end up feeling rubbish.

If they use skinny models, then bigger people might feel rubbish, and smaller people might too.

If they use larger models, then some people still might feel rubbish, so thy cant really win.

I think that if people feel rubbish about themselves, then they will feel like that no matter what models and pictures they see in a catalogue, because they will always find fault with themselves, until they have learned to either change what they don't like about themselves, or learn to like themselves how they are.

(just my opinion though!)