So..... running

[jmc41]

Well it's official I'm screwed.

Haven't posted recently, but have been busy.

July 22nd did 18 miles in 2h39m, was happy and finally signed up for Cov HM (Oct 2nd). Managed a PB 49:26 for 10k and then went on vacation and proceeded to pick up a injury to the back of my left knee during a 9 miler in 26C heat on 8 hours jetlag in a week where I slept 12 hours in 3 days , and then took an 18 hour trip to Oregon.

This injury (left foot went off the path suddenly) wasn't really evident until a bit later and a very hilly (think worst parts of IOW) 5 miles in sub 42, a 6.35 mile walk up and down a mountain (2:04) and 8.1 mile 1h10 run on the same hilly island where the leg completely went.

Returned to the UK Monday and did a short 5k at an okay pace and then sat in an ice bath for 20 minutes. The weekend after did the 3 peaks, except our guide got lost (we got down from Scafell Pike at 3am) and various other things meant we only did 2 peaks, so then did Snowdon the w/end after and during all this the pain left the left leg and I got tendenitis in the right knee.

The docs solution of ibuprofen for 10 days allowed me to get in decent 9 miler (26/08 - except for some beast stinging me 45 mins in), and a interval run (29/08) which was great until the left knee went again, this time the outer side and partly the front, managed to just about finish though it was more staggering than running.

This same solution from the doc destroyed my stomach in about 7 days and I was forced to turn around and change an 11 mile run in 2.21 miles, and take a week off (except for driving to and from the lake district and walking 5-6 miles each day last weekend).

Tonights run? Minor pain before 2 miles, kept going and got dodgy around 6-7 miles and then went again. I ended up crashing into mile 8 and having to stop. Followed by a rather painful 3 mile walk home, in the dark.

The HM is in 3 weeks. In just over 59 hours I'm calling the doc again to see what he can recommend, the sports guy is meant to be back off holiday Monday.

The 1h40m HM was out the window weeks ago, the fact that I could have run it in under 2 hours half asleep went out tonight, I'm wondering if I can even run it now.

[lostkat]

My advice? Stop running on it! You're obviously not recovered so each time you run, you're just doing more damage, making it worse and extending your recovery period. You need to stop and rest until it's had a chance to get better. I know a few people who wouldn't stop training when they were told and have ended up not being able to run because of it. PLEASE be careful!!!

I would also defer your entry to Cov (if you can) to next year. Tell them that you're injured. There are loads of other half marathons you can do, especially with autumn/winter approaching. There's the Clowne Half which is down Coventry way on 27th Nov, so how about that? It gives you almost 2 extra months to recover.

[jmc41]

Originally Posted by lostkat

My advice? Stop running on it! You're obviously not recovered so each time you run, you're just doing more damage, making it worse and extending your recovery period. You need to stop and rest until it's had a chance to get better. I know a few people who wouldn't stop training when they were told and have ended up not being able to run because of it. PLEASE be careful!!!

I would also defer your entry to Cov (if you can) to next year. Tell them that you're injured. There are loads of other half marathons you can do, especially with autumn/winter approaching. There's the Clowne Half which is down Coventry way on 27th Nov, so how about that? It gives you almost 2 extra months to recover.

I think I'll have to I have only run a couple of times since (and was fine to start with yesterday - had been fine general walking for 4-5 days), and the doctor said I could and should keep running, obviously she's a real genius.

The deferred entry I'm not sure is going to work for various reasons, so may just have to give up on Cov. Clowne is interesting especially as it's a) cheaper and b) on-the-day entries are possible as it's £2 more. Will have to see how things pan out and I feel.

I can walk okay now, well it hurts like hell but not in agony. Figures, I waited so long to sign up and less than a week after I did I start getting injuries - and wans't going that fast.

[BBx]

That sucks JMC like LK said it sounds like you've been doing a lot with it

I did over 6miles today at Virginia Water park in Woking.

Round the lake is 4.5miles but went the wrong way twice which deffo wouldve been over 6m.

A few gradients too which....from the look of my race pack which I received yesterday, am going to need to train on...at least i have the course now so I will need which parts I will need to practice.

BB x

[Jonny69]

Originally Posted by BBx

That sucks JMC like LK said it sounds like you've been doing a lot with it

I did over 6miles today at Virginia Water park in Woking.

Round the lake is 4.5miles but went the wrong way twice which deffo wouldve been over 6m.

A few gradients too which....from the look of my race pack which I received yesterday, am going to need to train on...at least i have the course now so I will need which parts I will need to practice.

BB x

I like that circuit. The gradients are more than you think too, which makes it a nice challenge

[petemc]

18 miles done Felt happy about that. Pace of around 12:30. Discomfort kicked in after around 13 miles but I just kept going. Only took a small break every 3 miles for water.

Only two real issues to sort now. Firstly, I will throw up after every long run. My body clearly doesn't like endurance running. So I have to work out what to do at the end. Don't fancy throwing up in front of the crowds. Dunno if I could make it to the loo after. On Sunday I finished 18 miles, walked a bit, had a drink and then went onto the beach to throw up.

Other issue is can I run faster on marathon day? 12:30 pace is around 5hrs 25 for the marathon. I'd like to get under 5hrs. I know that I could run 26 miles at 12:30, so thats the safe bet. I don't know if I could run at 11:30 or even 10:30. I could do a half at 10:30, as I already have. *shrugs*

[lostkat]

Cracking pace BBx, well done Do you have any time aspiration for the HM?

Originally Posted by petemc

18 miles done Felt happy about that. Pace of around 12:30. Discomfort kicked in after around 13 miles but I just kept going. Only took a small break every 3 miles for water.

Only two real issues to sort now. Firstly, I will throw up after every long run. My body clearly doesn't like endurance running. So I have to work out what to do at the end. Don't fancy throwing up in front of the crowds. Dunno if I could make it to the loo after. On Sunday I finished 18 miles, walked a bit, had a drink and then went onto the beach to throw up.

Other issue is can I run faster on marathon day? 12:30 pace is around 5hrs 25 for the marathon. I'd like to get under 5hrs. I know that I could run 26 miles at 12:30, so thats the safe bet. I don't know if I could run at 11:30 or even 10:30. I could do a half at 10:30, as I already have. *shrugs*

Firstly, well done on 18 miles. Huge achievement, you should be very pleased Not really sure what to advise on the vomiting though. How much water did you consume and what did you eat both pre-run and during the run? In my opinion, it could either be down to dehydration & low blood-sugar levels OR simply be because down to the churning of your stomach from running action, and the fact that blood is directed away from the GI tract to muscles, which, over a long period of time can cause problems. Any other symptoms apart from the vomiting? Do you feel light headed or anything?

In terms of your race pace on the day, I would seriously advise that you do NOT set yourself a time to achieve. You'll only end up putting yourself under too much pressure, going off too quick, wearing yourself out and absolutely hating the last 6-8 miles because you'll be walking it. Like JMC said, there is a huge difference between 12:30 min miles and 11:30 min miles over a 26 mile distance. On shorter races, you can expect the adrenaline to push you that bit further, but in a marathon you really need all you've got and you really must reserve something for when you hit that wall and feel like you're actually dying, which will be 20-22 miles. Stick with a pace you're comfortable with and be pleased that you're actually completing a marathon. Who'd have ever thought you'd be doing that? Amazing achievement

Glad you've had some more advice on your injury JMC. I really hope the support works for you *fingers crossed* Let us know how the run goes today

[jmc41]

Well I went to see the doc, unfortunately the doc that used to be medic for the England cricket team was unavailable for various reasons so had to make do.

It's the lateral ligement apparently, which is quite hard to injure, the medial is more common. Not sure if that's good or bad as I've not had a chance to google yet, but she seemed to think I could get a support and run, but to keep the distance below 5 miles and not start until Wednesday.

So I got a open knee support and will give it a go with a short distance on the flattest ground around, I have a route that won't take me more than a mile from home so will see what happens. It feels pretty much okay now as it did yesterday, but then it did Friday, if it starts more than twinging I'll stop right away.

Pete: I'm not really sure you should be throwing up after every long run? I've felt pretty bad on a few runs (normally dehydration) but never actually been sick. I do like sticking my head into a sink full of cold water after anything substantial which seems to help. Are you taking on small amounts of water, I've never found the need to drink on runs, but don't normally go over 2h as I'm not (yet?!) marathon training.

[Edit] From what I've read (having never done a race) your ERP should be a minute slower than planned, so if you're doing 12:30 training you should aim for 11:30 race day, that sounds like a massive difference to me on anything above 10k though. Another thing I read is that the distance tends to be more unless you are able to follow the exact path, so I'd bank on it being more ilke 26.5 or slightly more. Again, just what I've read possibly lostkat with a GPS watch has some experience?

[BBx]

10miles

1hr 33mins 38secs

BB x

[Jonny69]

Woop! That's big distance BB!