Boat Drinks Virtual Election - Page 15

Matblack · 07-05-2010, 10:58

Well it's hung and it looks like it could take a while to unhang it, not ideal given the global situation going down the toilet, somone could do with a strong mandate. Just goes to show that the country doesn't trust the Tories enough despite the perceived mess that we are being told Labour have made.

MB

Mark · 07-05-2010, 11:08

George Galloway is gone. That's one good result from all this.

Stan_Lite · 07-05-2010, 11:18

The way things are going, it looks like there will need to be some serious concessions made if one of the "big two" want to eke out a majority. The possible permutations are mind boggling and I would hate to speculate on who will do what. I would think the LDs are slightly more likely to side with Labour than the Tories (although this is in no way a foregone conclusion). If they did, that would make things unbelievably close and any one of the smaller parties could tip the balance in return for a few titbits.

I doubt very much if the LDs will refuse to form a coalition with either one of them - that would force another election which would be political suicide for them - as well as being bad for the country at this time.

This could get very interesting over the next few days

Matblack · 07-05-2010, 11:24

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Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

The way things are going, it looks like there will need to be some serious concessions made if one of the "big two" want to eke out a majority. The possible permutations are mind boggling and I would hate to speculate on who will do what. I would think the LDs are slightly more likely to side with Labour than the Tories (although this is in no way a foregone conclusion). If they did, that would make things unbelievably close and any one of the smaller parties could tip the balance in return for a few titbits.

I doubt very much if the LDs will refuse to form a coalition with either one of them - that would force another election which would be political suicide for them - as well as being bad for the country at this time.

This could get very interesting over the next few days

This is being played very well by the LDs I think.

Clegg has come out to say that he feels the Cons should get first shot but not that he will form an alliance. If Cameron wavers then that leave Clegg free to go to Brown and offer a deal. he'll probably offer a similar deal to Cameron but I just can't see a Lib/ Con coilition working, they are just too far apart on social priorities (helping real people vs lining pockets) and the Cons will never roll over on electoral reform. So you are right, this is going to be either very interesting (or exceptionally boring)

MB

Fayshun · 07-05-2010, 11:28

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Originally Posted by Matblack

this is going to be either very interesting (or exceptionally boring)

Probably this.

Stan_Lite · 07-05-2010, 11:31

To add to the above, my personal preference, under the circumstances, would be a LibLab coalition. I think Labour have made a lot of mistakes but they've also got a fair bit right. Hopefully with the LD influence, they might do better between the two of them. Also, a coalition between these two would almost certainly result in a referendum on PR - regardless of whether Labour wanted it or not. At least then, the people would be able to decide for themselves what was fair.

TBH, I'd rather see any combination (within reason) rather than allow the Tories any form of power. I may not particularly like NuLabour but I detest the Tories with a passion and wouldn't trust them with a market stall, never mind the country.

Stan_Lite · 07-05-2010, 11:38

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Originally Posted by Matblack

So you are right, this is going to be either very interesting (or exceptionally boring)

MB

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Originally Posted by Fayshun

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Originally Posted by Matblack

this is going to be either very interesting (or exceptionally boring)

MB

Probably this.

I think it's going to be fascinating. I just wish I was home to see it all unfold instead of being stuck on the rig with a poor interweb connection, only getting snippets from the completely impartial BBC now and then.

Mark · 07-05-2010, 11:40

I'm not convinced there will be a coalition at all. Lib/Con is unlikely, and a justification by Nick Clegg of going Lib/Lab after his comments about David Cameron could be interesting viewing.

There doesn't need to be a coalition. Gordon Brown can go it alone if he wants - until he gets kicked out when the Queens Speech debate falls. David Cameron could then do the same - and hope enough others abstain.

Matblack · 07-05-2010, 11:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

To add to the above, my personal preference, under the circumstances, would be a LibLab coalition. I think Labour have made a lot of mistakes but they've also got a fair bit right. Hopefully with the LD influence, they might do better between the two of them. Also, a coalition between these two would almost certainly result in a referendum on PR - regardless of whether Labour wanted it or not. At least then, the people would be able to decide for themselves what was fair.

TBH, I'd rather see any combination (within reason) rather than allow the Tories any form of power. I may not particularly like NuLabour but I detest the Tories with a passion and wouldn't trust them with a market stall, never mind the country.

I'm with you, although I think there maybe a backlash on the LDs for forming a coalition with a party with no mandate and I'd hate to see the good work undone. I think Clegg is doing the right thing, offer Cameron the rope to hang himself, if he ploughs ahead with a minimal majority made of odds and sods then the LDs could come out of this smelling of roses when they work constructively beside them without being in coalition. Let's face it no one is going to come out looking that good with the global economy in its current state.

MB

Matblack · 07-05-2010, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark

I'm not convinced there will be a coalition at all. Lib/Con is unlikely, and a justification by Nick Clegg of going Lib/Lab after his comments about David Cameron could be interesting viewing.

There doesn't need to be a coalition. Gordon Brown can go it alone if he wants - until he gets kicked out when the Queens Speech debate falls. David Cameron could then do the same - and hope enough others abstain.

That would turn the current electorial system a farce make a better case for PR, but it won't happen.

MB

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07-05-2010, 10:58	#141
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	Well it's hung and it looks like it could take a while to unhang it, not ideal given the global situation going down the toilet, somone could do with a strong mandate. Just goes to show that the country doesn't trust the Tories enough despite the perceived mess that we are being told Labour have made. MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

07-05-2010, 11:18	#143
Stan_Lite Stan, Stan the FLASHER MAN! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In bed with your sister Posts: 5,483	The way things are going, it looks like there will need to be some serious concessions made if one of the "big two" want to eke out a majority. The possible permutations are mind boggling and I would hate to speculate on who will do what. I would think the LDs are slightly more likely to side with Labour than the Tories (although this is in no way a foregone conclusion). If they did, that would make things unbelievably close and any one of the smaller parties could tip the balance in return for a few titbits. I doubt very much if the LDs will refuse to form a coalition with either one of them - that would force another election which would be political suicide for them - as well as being bad for the country at this time. This could get very interesting over the next few days __________________ Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean I...

07-05-2010, 11:31	#146
Stan_Lite Stan, Stan the FLASHER MAN! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In bed with your sister Posts: 5,483	To add to the above, my personal preference, under the circumstances, would be a LibLab coalition. I think Labour have made a lot of mistakes but they've also got a fair bit right. Hopefully with the LD influence, they might do better between the two of them. Also, a coalition between these two would almost certainly result in a referendum on PR - regardless of whether Labour wanted it or not. At least then, the people would be able to decide for themselves what was fair. TBH, I'd rather see any combination (within reason) rather than allow the Tories any form of power. I may not particularly like NuLabour but I detest the Tories with a passion and wouldn't trust them with a market stall, never mind the country. __________________ Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean I...

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07-05-2010, 11:08	#142
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	George Galloway is gone. That's one good result from all this.

07-05-2010, 11:40	#148
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	I'm not convinced there will be a coalition at all. Lib/Con is unlikely, and a justification by Nick Clegg of going Lib/Lab after his comments about David Cameron could be interesting viewing. There doesn't need to be a coalition. Gordon Brown can go it alone if he wants - until he gets kicked out when the Queens Speech debate falls. David Cameron could then do the same - and hope enough others abstain.