Manhunt 2 banned in UK and Ireland - Page 2

Davey_Pitch · 21-06-2007, 14:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piggymon

From a non - gamer perspective I don't have a problem with violent games at all but I do have a problem with the parents who buy games for their kids regardless of the certs !

I have seen 6 year olds playing GTA Vice City on a PSP before now and it makes my blood boil !

Agreed. I don't really have a problem if the kid is a couple of years younger than the limit (ie, I wouldn't mind a 13 year old playing a 15 game), but a 6 year old playing GTA is just wrong.

Haly · 21-06-2007, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piggymon

From a non - gamer perspective I don't have a problem with violent games at all but I do have a problem with the parents who buy games for their kids regardless of the certs !

I have seen 6 year olds playing GTA Vice City on a PSP before now and it makes my blood boil !

I stick rigidly to certs, something I think which is been ingrained in me by my parents, they used to rent out videos.

Agreed. Parents just don't seem to realise that the certificate means the same on a game as it does on a film. I know people who would never let their kids watch Reservoir Dogs yet would let them play all the 18 certificate games, completely ridiculous.
If people actually listened to the certificates, we wouldn't have games like Manhunt 2 get banned I bet.

Daz · 21-06-2007, 14:42

Maybe the certifying body should sort that out then rather than punishing titles. Or maybe they should be given the power to sort it out, I'm not actually sure what powers they do have enforcement wise.

Haly · 21-06-2007, 14:51

I'm not sure either. I'd say game shops have got better at checking ages but from what I've seen, they've gone from never asking to saying 'Are you over 18?' and take a yes with no ID as the truth :/
And of course it doesn't help at all if a parent buys a game with a small kid right behind them.
It really needs more awareness I think.

NokkonWud · 21-06-2007, 16:00

It would appear that the powers that be are listening to Jack Thompson too much.

Haly · 21-06-2007, 18:30

I think so

Every generation needs a scape goat unfortunately. When my Dad was a kid it was horror comics heh.

Tommy · 21-06-2007, 19:27

Well, as for the interactivity issue I remember reading about a scientific study that found people were actually less influenced by say, a violent videogame than they would be by a similarly violent film. The reason is actually due to the interactivity, because the person playing consciously knows that what they are doing isn't real and that it's a game... whereas when watching a film the person watching is more absorbed in it as they don't actually have to do anything; they just watch and take it in.

Regardless of that, I think banning a game is a bad idea fullstop, as is banning a film. The ratings are a good enough guideline - people should have free choice. Also as I said a guideline, I don't really agree with chastising parents who let younger children play/watch media they aren't old enough for according to whoever decides in the BBFC. Parents should be able to use the rating as a guideline to make a sensible decision, 'is my child mature enough to appreciate this?'. I played GTA 3 when I was far younger than 18.. I'm 18 now! I don't think it's affected me adversely

Haly · 21-06-2007, 19:36

They should indeed be able to use them as a guideline to make a sensible decision but I don't believe many/enough do.
For example, when that kid was killed and Manhunt 1 was blamed (Even though it was the victim's copy), neither set of parents went 'Oh yeah we made a sensible decision and felt it was fine for them to have it', instead they blamed the game and started ranting about how terrible such things were released.
Obviously that's an extreme example and no doubt they were just desperate to find something to blame that didn't involve realising they may have been able to do something themselves, but I'd argue it's the attitude with too many parents.
The main problem imo is lack of understanding, which desperately needs addressing but I very much doubt it ever will be.

21-06-2007, 14:42	#13
Daz The Stig Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Swad! Posts: 10,713	Maybe the certifying body should sort that out then rather than punishing titles. Or maybe they should be given the power to sort it out, I'm not actually sure what powers they do have enforcement wise. __________________ apt-get moo

21-06-2007, 14:51	#14
Haly Do you want to hide in my box? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,941	I'm not sure either. I'd say game shops have got better at checking ages but from what I've seen, they've gone from never asking to saying 'Are you over 18?' and take a yes with no ID as the truth :/ And of course it doesn't help at all if a parent buys a game with a small kid right behind them. It really needs more awareness I think. __________________ Halycopter

21-06-2007, 16:00	#15
NokkonWud BD Recruitment Officer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Smogville Posts: 3,880	It would appear that the powers that be are listening to Jack Thompson too much. __________________

21-06-2007, 18:30	#16
Haly Do you want to hide in my box? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,941	I think so Every generation needs a scape goat unfortunately. When my Dad was a kid it was horror comics heh. __________________ Halycopter

21-06-2007, 19:36	#18
Haly Do you want to hide in my box? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,941	They should indeed be able to use them as a guideline to make a sensible decision but I don't believe many/enough do. For example, when that kid was killed and Manhunt 1 was blamed (Even though it was the victim's copy), neither set of parents went 'Oh yeah we made a sensible decision and felt it was fine for them to have it', instead they blamed the game and started ranting about how terrible such things were released. Obviously that's an extreme example and no doubt they were just desperate to find something to blame that didn't involve realising they may have been able to do something themselves, but I'd argue it's the attitude with too many parents. The main problem imo is lack of understanding, which desperately needs addressing but I very much doubt it ever will be. __________________ Halycopter

21-06-2007, 19:27	#17
Tommy Long Island Iced Tea Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nagoya, Japan Posts: 150	Well, as for the interactivity issue I remember reading about a scientific study that found people were actually less influenced by say, a violent videogame than they would be by a similarly violent film. The reason is actually due to the interactivity, because the person playing consciously knows that what they are doing isn't real and that it's a game... whereas when watching a film the person watching is more absorbed in it as they don't actually have to do anything; they just watch and take it in. Regardless of that, I think banning a game is a bad idea fullstop, as is banning a film. The ratings are a good enough guideline - people should have free choice. Also as I said a guideline, I don't really agree with chastising parents who let younger children play/watch media they aren't old enough for according to whoever decides in the BBFC. Parents should be able to use the rating as a guideline to make a sensible decision, 'is my child mature enough to appreciate this?'. I played GTA 3 when I was far younger than 18.. I'm 18 now! I don't think it's affected me adversely

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